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<DIV><FONT size=2>Boxing, like judo, karate, wrestling and any number of other
disclipines, is a martial art.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>I was a wrestler, so I can only speak from that standpoint,
but I suspect all of the "arts" teach discipline, self-control, and how to think
under pressure. ALL martial arts are inherently dangerous. Wrestlers often
suffer dislocations, shoulders and fingers especially, broken noses (A forearm
"crossface" can land just as hard as a punch.) and less often, neck injuries,
broken wrists, broken fingers and broken ankles. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Considering that we don't each have a bodyguard or police
officer to safeguard us, learning a form of self defense. boxing
included, is a good idea.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Ideally no one should ever have to defend oneself or someone
else, but the real world doesn't operate the same as "Utopia". I taught my
daughter several moves, including "dirty tricks", because there is no such thing
as a fair fight on the street. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Ultimately, each one of us is responsible for our own safety.
That sounds like a pretty good d**n reason to learn boxing or any other method
of self-defense.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=gussie443@hotmail.com href="mailto:gussie443@hotmail.com">Ellen
Roskovich</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=mattd2107@hotmail.com
href="mailto:mattd2107@hotmail.com">mattd2107@hotmail.com</A> ; <A
title=jampot@adelphia.net
href="mailto:jampot@adelphia.net">jampot@adelphia.net</A> ; <A
title=thansen@moscow.com
href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</A> ; <A
title=privatejf32@hotmail.com
href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com">privatejf32@hotmail.com</A> ; <A
title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, July 14, 2007 10:23
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] AND THE BEAT
GOES ON!</DIV>
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<P><STRONG>Matt. . . . Keep working out. . . punch the hell out of that bag
and don't forget the miles of leg work running every day. Daily exercise
was part of my step dad's routine even in the nursing home.
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<P><STRONG>And while you're at it. . . make sure your girls have the very same
opportunities as your sons. </STRONG></P>
<P><STRONG>Ellen A. Geffner (proud to be Al Geffner's daughter)</STRONG></P>
<P><STRONG></STRONG><BR><BR> </P></DIV>
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<DIV></DIV>From: <I>"Matt Decker" <<A
href="mailto:mattd2107@hotmail.com">mattd2107@hotmail.com</A>></I><BR>To: <I><A
href="mailto:gussie443@hotmail.com">gussie443@hotmail.com</A>, <A
href="mailto:jampot@adelphia.net">jampot@adelphia.net</A>, <A
href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</A>, <A
href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com">privatejf32@hotmail.com</A>, <A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A></I><BR>Subject: <I>Re:
[Vision2020] AND THE BEAT GOES ON!</I><BR>Date: <I>Sat, 14 Jul
2007 10:06:01 -0700</I><BR>>Ellen,<BR>><BR>>I understand you
feelings about boxing. How it seems barbaric and <BR>>serves no purpose
to society.<BR>><BR>>Believe me though, boxing does a lot for many
people, young and old. <BR>>With a nation of obesity, what better than a
cardio session between <BR>>you and a partner or punching bag. These
boxers are in the best <BR>>shape known to mankind. Boxing installs
goals, grit, drive, and <BR>>determination. All of which can be very
useful in the real world. <BR>>Many of the same traits included in other
sports such as football, <BR>>baseball, golf and such.<BR>><BR>>Not
only that, but I would rather be confident that my boys could <BR>>defend
themselves in those dreaded moments of self defense.<BR>><BR>>Boxing
is a useful sport. A sport that is person to person. But in <BR>>the end
both parties shake hands and walk away. Taking those traits <BR>>with
them.<BR>><BR>>Take care<BR>>Matt<BR>><BR>><BR>>>From:
"Ellen Roskovich" <gussie443@hotmail.com><BR>>>To:
jampot@adelphia.net, thansen@moscow.com,
<BR>>>privatejf32@hotmail.com, vision2020@moscow.com<BR>>>Subject:
Re: [Vision2020] AND THE BEAT GOES ON!<BR>>>Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007
22:55:33 -0700<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>Gary. . . . you may call
me Ellen. Or, if you wish to be formal, <BR>>>it's Mrs.
Roskovich.<BR>>><BR>>>Boxing IS dangerous. . . and makes about
as much sense as a cock <BR>>>fight. It's not for
kids. As hard as I try, I cannot think of one
<BR>>>positive life lesson a young person would learn from the
<BR>>>experience.<BR>>><BR>>>Ellen A.
Roskovich<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>From:
"g. crabtree" <jampot@adelphia.net><BR>>>To: "Tom Hansen"
<thansen@moscow.com>,"'Ellen Roskovich'"
<BR>>><gussie443@hotmail.com>,<privatejf32@hotmail.com>,<vision2020@moscow.com><BR>>>Subject:
Re: [Vision2020] AND THE BEAT GOES ON!<BR>>>Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007
20:40:27
-0700<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>According
to Ms. Roscovich and Ms. Mix it's all about the "danger" <BR>>>and the
"physical aggression." In what way do the pieces of paper <BR>>>that
you refer to make the event different, more feminine? Does
<BR>>>the notion of men getting together to have a bit of fun with
other <BR>>>men leave you feeling uncomfortable? Or is it really more
about the <BR>>>who then anything having to do with the
what?<BR>>><BR>>>It is my understanding that the event happened
under the tutelage <BR>>>of a retired professional boxer, that ABA
approved headgear was <BR>>>worn by all participants, that absolutely
no one was seriously <BR>>>injured (one punch was expertly blocked by
the nose of one of the <BR>>>warriors but he lived to tell the tale
and more importantly learned <BR>>>a valuable lesson in keeping his
gloves up and his chin down.) and <BR>>>that a good time
was had by all. With all this in mind, what place <BR>>>is it of yours
to piss on someone else's
parade?<BR>>><BR>>>g<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>----
Original Message -----<BR>>>From: Tom Hansen<BR>>>To: 'g.
crabtree' ; 'Ellen Roskovich' ; privatejf32@hotmail.com ;
<BR>>>vision2020@moscow.com<BR>>>Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007
6:11 PM<BR>>>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] AND THE BEAT GOES
ON!<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>g
stated:<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>“The combative sports
(boxing, judo, karate, wrestling, etc.) <BR>>>result in far fewer
injury's than football, rock climbing, skate <BR>>>boarding, mountain
biking and skiing at the amateur level. Even <BR>>>cheer leading
results in more emergency room visits! Would you have <BR>>>every
"sport" that is potentially dangerous be eliminated from the
<BR>>>extracurricular activities
list?”<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>This may very well be
true, g, among professionals and/or in a <BR>>>venue specifically
designed for that sport with the requisite <BR>>>safety measures
established and maintained, not at a school lacking <BR>>>the
appropriate facilities and void of the aforementioned safety
<BR>>>measures.<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>In each
of the “organized” activities you mention (boxing, judo, <BR>>>karate,
wrestling, football, rock climbing, skate boarding, <BR>>>mountain
biking, skiing, etc.), there are certain requirements <BR>>>(health,
insurance, waivers, etc. etc.) that MUST be accomplished <BR>>>prior
to any competitor engaging in their sport. Based on a Viz
<BR>>>discussion, concerning the Logos School “smokers” (as
they are <BR>>>called) a while back, it was painfully evident that
NONE of these <BR>>>requirements was even considered, much less
accomplished.<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>Seeya
round town, Moscow.<BR>>><BR>>>Tom Hansen<BR>>>Moscow,
Idaho<BR>>><BR>>>"We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000
college students. The <BR>>>college students are not very active in
local elections (thank <BR>>>goodness!)."<BR>>><BR>>>-
Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)<BR>>><BR>>> Local
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