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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Man, do I ever "feel your pain" on this
one. Years ago when I finally completed the final series of tests and
evaluations to achieve my certified master locksmith rating I was
quite crestfallen when I was not addressed as "Master" Crabtree by the
community at large. I mean really, all that time, study, and expense and no
recognition? As the years have gone by, I have managed to come to grips with my
disappointment and manage to live my life in a relatively
normal fashion but occasionally something, such as this, will come up to
reopen this aging wound. All I can say now is that I hope that you too will
learn to cope with the sorrow of not receiving your full measure in the arena of
professional salutation and somehow manage to persevere.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Master G</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> ...and a hip hop, a rappin' to the rhythm of
a doc who squawks a lot. He wants us to say "hey there, Dr. J." and when we
don't it makes him hot. Between you and me if it's simply a
PhD there's scant chance to have your shot. For respect you
shout and with out you pout but props should come naturally. If it's
title you crave then its time you'll save by acquiring your M.D.
... (with apologies to John Deacon)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>----- Original Message ----- </FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>From: "Joe Campbell" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:joekc@adelphia.net"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>joekc@adelphia.net</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>To: <</FONT><A
href="mailto:vpschwaller@gmail.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vpschwaller@gmail.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Cc: <</FONT><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 12:07 AM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Don't change the subject
DOUG</FONT></DIV></DIV>
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size=2>> Good question, Schwaller! <BR>> <BR>> Rational discourse is
difficult, so I don't think that faulty reasoning is necessarily an indication
of some kind of character flaw -- unless the faulty reasoning is intentional.
Deliberately using fallacies, deception, or lies in an effort to get someone to
believe something is an indication of a character flaw but that is more than bad
reasoning. Thus, if "one arrives at an incorrect assumption or conclusion based
on logic and reasoning" it doesn't necessarily "say anything about the
individual." Though it would if the person were a liar.<BR>> <BR>> Which
brings me to a hypothetical question. First suppose that you are not Glenn
Schwaller but that you’re someone else like me, reading the posts of a man who
calls himself 'Glenn Schwaller.' Suppose also that the writer of these posts is
not named 'Glenn Schwaller' and that no one with that name exists locally.
Furthermore, suppose that the writer of those posts is a pastor at a local
church who is pretending to be someone he is not. If this were true, what would
you think of that pastor? Would you think he was crazy? Would you think that he
was a danger to the town that you lived in? Would you worry?<BR>> <BR>>
Remember this is a hypothetical question -- I confessed last time that I don't
think that you are a pastor of a local church, although you sound like one. Keep
in mind EVERYTHING that you've said so far. If you were someone else reading the
posts of 'Glenn Schwaller' and it turned out that the writer of those posts was
actually a pastor of a local church, what would you think of that man? I guess
we should suppose, also, that the pastor might not actually write the posts but
that he encourages others to do so. Still, what would you think of such a
man?<BR>> <BR>> Since I have your attention and you're finally answering
my questions, I have another question. I might have asked this before but not
directly. <BR>> <BR>> Given that it "seems to you" that "arguments are
useless when it comes to changing one's beliefs," why do you raise topics like
polygamy? It can’t really be, as you say, an attempt "to generate some
discussion on the issue; an 'attempt to dialogue' if you will." What is the
point of dialogue given that you are of the "opinion" that "arguments are
useless when it comes to changing one's beliefs"? This, by the way, is one
reason why I think you're merely throwing poop bombs and not actually attempting
to engage in dialogue. What, according to your own opinions and seemings, is the
point of dialogue?<BR>> <BR>> There is another question that I asked you
previously [Sun Jun 3 18:00:52 PDT 2007] but I'll save that for another time.
Thanks!<BR>> <BR>> And please call me 'Joe,' which I prefer. My gripe was
not with folks calling me 'Mr. Campbell' as opposed to 'Dr. Campbell.' It was
folks calling me 'Mr. Campbell' after I happened to mention that I didn't like
it. It is the stick in the eye that bugs me, not the name. Call me what you
wish.<BR>> <BR>> --<BR>> Joe Campbell<BR>> <BR>>
----------------<BR>> <BR>> Thu Jun 14 17:55:49 PDT 2007<BR>> <BR>>
Since I have not read a re-write of the history of American slavery, I am
in<BR>> no position to compare that with the Holocaoust, denial or
otherwise. And I<BR>> have no idea what I have done that would suggest
I use my religion as a<BR>> "shield for my actions."<BR>> <BR>> If one
arrives at an incorrect assumption or conclusion based on logic and<BR>>
reasoning, does this say anything about the individual, or their
reasoning<BR>> processes, or both? Is their logic invalid, or is their
interpretation of<BR>> the data faulty?<BR>> <BR>> Glenn<BR>>
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