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<DIV><FONT size=2>Fair enough to use the technology for the reasons you
mentioned. But why would anyone use it in the way it was here on
v2020, except for intimidation? You know, the whole "Now I know where you work,
buddy, and I'm gonna getcha." scenario.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>That's the way it struck me. And for some odd reason, I found
it wrong.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2><EM>"There are times when silence is golden, other times it is
just plain yellow."</EM> <EM>Ed Cole</EM></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=deco@moscow.com href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">Art Deco</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Vision 2020</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, June 07, 2007 7:57
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] off list</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2>Bruce,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2>Here's how you can answer your own
question:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2>1. Obtain a copy of
<EM>Visual Route</EM> or a similar program. Enter the IP or domain name
from the primary header of any email. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2>Alternatively and more simply, you can simply
enter an IP as the argument in a Google search. You will not get a
route map, but most of the time, you will get output containing what was
displayed below in a slightly different format.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2>2. If you want further
information: Write a little <EM>Visual Basic</EM> program (or
macro in Excel) that converts a hex string to an ASCII character
string. Use it on the message ID from a email primary header.
Sometimes, depending on the originating email system provider, this simple
transformation gives additional information directly. Sometimes, a
further transformation is needed depending on the system provider's encoding
algorithm. Sometimes nothing is learned without further analysis.
Sometimes the message ID contains the actual originating IP even though a
proxy is being used to disguise the email's origin.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2>I originally began using these techniques for
two reasons:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2>A. Tracing the origin of
obviously fraudulent email offers. Most of the time when I forwarded
this information to law enforcement or the companies whose name was being used
to perpetrate a fraud, it was ignored. However, on two occasions the
trace material was used to track down the senders.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2>B. Tracing and providing
proof of origin to poison-pen emails and hate emails sent to me
personally. Since action one at least one of these is pending, I
withhold the results except to say that in some cases the offending emails
stopped. Continual sending of certain kinds of emails after a request to
stop is a crime, sometimes a felony.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2>W.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----
<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=jeanlivingston@turbonet.com
href="mailto:jeanlivingston@turbonet.com">Bruce and Jean Livingston</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=deco@moscow.com href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">Art
Deco</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 06, 2007 5:20 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> off list</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>That is scary stuff how you techno folks just look this stuff up.
What can you dig up on this work computer of mine, just out of
curiousity? Bruce</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=deco@moscow.com href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">Art Deco</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Vision 2020</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 06, 2007 4:16
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Christ is Our
Commander-in-Chief</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana>IP 129.101.190.123</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana>Is registered to node:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana>| PC053237.for.uidaho.edu
|<BR>---------------------------<BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana>Registrant:<BR> University of
Idaho<BR> Administration Building Room 140<BR>
Moscow, ID 83844-3155<BR> UNITED STATES</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana>Administrative Contact:<BR> Mary L
George<BR> University of Idaho - Information Technology
Services<BR> University of Idaho<BR> PO Box 443155,
Admin Bldg Rm 140<BR> Moscow, ID 83844-3155<BR>
UNITED STATES<BR> (208) 885-6721<BR> <A
href="mailto:domainbilling@uidaho.edu">domainbilling@uidaho.edu</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana>Technical Contact:<BR>
Hostmaster<BR> University of Idaho - Information Technology
Services<BR> University of Idaho<BR> PO Box 443155,
Admin Bldg Rm 140<BR> Moscow, ID 83844-3155<BR>
UNITED STATES<BR> (208) 885-6721<BR> <A
href="mailto:hostmaster@uidaho.edu">hostmaster@uidaho.edu</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana>Name Servers: <BR>
DNS1.UIDAHO.EDU
129.101.119.223<BR>
DNS2.UIDAHO.EDU 129.101.119.220</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana>Domain record activated:
12-Jun-1988<BR>Domain record last updated: 06-Jun-2006<BR>Domain
expires:
31-Jul-2007<BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana>W.</DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana> </DIV></FONT>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----
<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=thansen@moscow.com href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">Tom Hansen</A>
</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=latahlounger@yahoo.com
href="mailto:latahlounger@yahoo.com">'Latah Lounger'</A> ; <A
title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">'Vision-2020'</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 06, 2007 2:45 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Christ is Our
Commander-in-Chief</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=Section1>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Just for y’all’s
edificaction –<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The IP address for
the computer used by “Latah Lounger” was:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">129.101.114.147<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Any guesses where
that IP address is located?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">64.126.190.123
ain’t much, but I call it home.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Tom
Hansen<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on"><FONT face=Arial
color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Moscow</SPAN></FONT></st1:City><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">, <st1:State
w:st="on">Idaho</st1:State></SPAN></FONT></st1:place><FONT face=Arial
color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<DIV>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">"As
more and more heathens 'choose' to not have children the number of Godly
souls will increase. If the number of Christian births out number the number
of Islamic births the battle will be over in 3 or 4
generations."<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">- Doug
"No-Clue" Farris (March 10, 2007)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com]
<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Latah
Lounger<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday,
June 06, 2007 12:52 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
Vision-2020<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re:
[Vision2020] Christ is Our Commander-in-Chief<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Importance:</SPAN></B>
High</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Why is it relevant with regard to HOW MANY
individuals were killed by such-and-such people of a certain faith. Isn't it
the simple act of killing and the reason behind the killing that is of
importance? Keeping scorecards of "number killed" by "faith/belief
structure" seems a bit sophomoric if the ultimate issue is to address the
REASON behind the killing. Is one faith more evil or despicable because it
killed 2,000 more than another for the exact same
reason?<BR><BR>Furthermore, what does Gier's post really have to do with the
stated objective of Vision 2020: "<st1:PersonName w:st="on">Moscow Vision
2020</st1:PersonName> is an informal, multi-partisan group of <st1:City
w:st="on">Moscow</st1:City> residents formed in 1993 to encourage more
public information and debate about the future of <st1:City
w:st="on">Moscow</st1:City> and <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName
w:st="on">Latah</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType
w:st="on">County</st1:PlaceType></st1:place>." I fail to comprehend where
Gier's post, as well as many other posted here, has any connection with
<st1:City w:st="on">Moscow</st1:City> or <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName
w:st="on">Latah</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType
w:st="on">County</st1:PlaceType></st1:place>. It appears that several
posters use the board as a soapbox to spout off their own partisan or
religious beliefs, or, in this case, to develop a thesis, without connecting
how their post relates to <st1:City w:st="on">Moscow</st1:City>'s or
<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Latah</st1:PlaceName>
<st1:PlaceType w:st="on">County</st1:PlaceType></st1:place>'s
future.<BR><BR><B><I><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-STYLE: italic">nickgier@adelphia.net</SPAN></I></B>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Good Morning:<BR><BR>I would like to thank Gary
Crabtree for the inspiration for this week's KRFP radio
commentary.<BR><BR><st1:PersonName w:st="on">Nick
Gier</st1:PersonName><BR><BR>CHRIST IS OUR COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF:<BR>RELATIVE
VIOLENCE IN ISLAM AND CHRISTIANITY<BR><BR>I'm writing a book on the origins
of religious violence and my thesis is that there has been far more
religiously motivated violence in the Abrahamic religions—Judaism,
Christianity, and Islam—than the Asian religions. Draft chapters can be
viewed at www.class.uidaho.edu/ngier/orv.htm.<BR><BR>A person on our local
list-serve Vision2020 had this to say about relative violence in Islam and
Christianity: <BR><BR>"Up to the eleventh century Islam had a sizable lead.
From 1095 to 1291 the Church picked up the pace and nosed ahead. It was neck
and neck till 1834 and the end of the Spanish Inquisition. After that
Allah's chosen made it no contest." <BR><BR>There are more than a few
problems with this summary history.<BR><BR>Islam could not possibly have had
any sort of lead before the 11th Century because Christianity had a very
good head start. Under Theodosius I, being a pagan was a capital crime, and
even Christians were arrested if they practiced even the most minor of pagan
practices. <BR><BR>On December 25, 390, Theodosius ordered the slaughter of
7,000 pagans in Thessalonica. The British historian Hugh Trevor Roper called
Theodosius "the first Spanish Inquisitor," and "the Christian monarch who
introduced the world to religious totalitarianism." <BR><BR>Bishop Ambrose,
who baptized <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">St.
Augustine</st1:place></st1:City>, made Theodosius do penance for the
atrocities at Thessalonica, but he still proclaimed that "Christ was now at
the head of the [Roman] legions." <BR><BR>This reminds me of the sign
outside a fundamentalist church in <st1:City w:st="on">L.A.</st1:City>,
right after the invasion of <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Iraq</st1:place></st1:country-region>: "Christ is our
Commander-in-Chief." I'm assuming that our born-again president would have
to agree with this demotion. <BR><BR>Under Muslim rule Jews and Christians
were generally asked to offer a special tax, not their heads. The slaughter
of 4,000 Jews in Muslim Granada in 1066 was the exception rather than the
rule, and Jews generally had much better lives in Muslim Spain than anywhere
else in Christian Europe.<BR><BR>In 1099, men, women, and children were
slaughtered indiscriminately when Christian forces captured <st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Jerusalem</st1:place></st1:City>. An
eyewitness reported that the Crusaders "rode in blood up to their knees and
bridle reins. Indeed, it was a just and splendid judgment of God that this
place should be filled with the blood of the unbelievers, since it had
suffered so long from their blasphemies." <BR><BR>When Saladin retook the
city in 1187, Christians were only required to pay a ransom and then free to
return home. Some of Saladin's officers paid for those who could not afford
it, and about 7,000 others were sold into slavery.<BR><BR>In Muslim India
Buddhist and Hindus were, incredibly enough, declared "People of the Book,"
and the tax on non-Muslims was only sporadically enforced and even more
infrequently collected. <BR><BR>Most of the ancestors of Muslims in
<st1:country-region w:st="on">Pakistan</st1:country-region>,
<st1:country-region w:st="on">Bangladesh</st1:country-region> (especially
here), <st1:country-region w:st="on">India</st1:country-region>,
<st1:country-region w:st="on">Indonesia</st1:country-region>, and
<st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Malaysia</st1:place></st1:country-region> freely converted to
Islam. Areas in <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">India</st1:place></st1:country-region> where forced conversions
were attempted are now the places where one finds the fewest Muslims per
capita.<BR><BR>Some Mughal emperors ordered the destruction of Hindu and
Buddhist temples, but local resistance and intimidated Mughal functionaries
meant that relatively few temples were liquidated. Early Christian emperors
were much more successful in destroying pagan temples, including the one in
<st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Alexandria</st1:place></st1:City>
that housed the finest library in the ancient world. <BR><BR>Curiously, the
Vision2020 post above ended Christian atrocities in 1834, but during the
Taiping Rebellion, Chinese Christian armies were responsible for killing
10-20 million people between 1852-1864. I would hazard a guess that more
Daoist, Buddhist, and Confucian temples were destroyed by the Taipings in 12
years than 600 years of Muslim rule in <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">India</st1:place></st1:country-region>.
<BR><BR>Some have claimed that the Taipings were not really Christians, but
that is simply not the case. They took great pains to eliminate Chinese
religious influences; they enforced the 10 Commandments at the point of a
sword; and they followed the Bible very carefully, including the prophecies
in the Book of Revelation.<BR><BR>Short of Osama bin Laden getting several
nukes and using them, <BR>militant Muslims have a long way to go to match
the historical Christian kill rate. <BR><BR><st1:PersonName w:st="on">Nick
Gier</st1:PersonName> taught religion and philosophy at the <st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:PlaceType w:st="on">University</st1:PlaceType> of
<st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Idaho</st1:PlaceName></st1:place> for 31 years. See
his columns as the Palouse Pundit at
www.NickGier.com.<BR><BR><BR><BR>=======================================================<BR>List
services made available by First Step Internet, <BR>serving the communities
of the Palouse since 1994. <BR>http://www.fsr.net
<BR>mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<BR>=======================================================<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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