<DIV>Latah L,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <DIV>Welcome to Vision, my name is Donovan Arnold, what is yours?</DIV></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Vision 2020 has devolved/evolved into something more than just a posted board for discussing Latah/Moscow's future. This is in part because the Internet and access to it has changed drastically since 1993. We still use it for the purpose of its original intent, but we also use it for more, and why not? </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You will get attacked by people in here because you don't think like they do, and because you do not list your real name. Many people come on here, use a fake name, and then attack people. This makes people weary to respond to people that won't use their real name. Not using your name is considered rude in this local forum. If it were an AOL chat room it would be different. Imagine showing up for a town meeting and refusing to say your name, that is how you are looked in here. If you are
not polite enough to give us your name, why should we be polite to listen to what you have to say? You got to think, this is a community of about 12,000 when we exclude the college kids, so most of us know each other or someone in our household. Half of our families have been here for 2-5 generations. No namers usually come just to attack and lay accusations and are looked upon with suspicion. </DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV>Best,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Donovan<BR><BR><B><I>Latah Lounger <latahlounger@yahoo.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Why are you personally attacking me simply because I'm using an anonymous handle? You don't have a clue as to who I am, and it shouldn't matter given my questions. Moreover, I haven't harassed or ridiculed any poster with my two previous messages. Are you always so cruel and demeaning?<BR><BR><BR><B><I>Tom Hansen
<thansen@moscow.com></I></B> wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid"> <META content="Microsoft Word 11 (filtered medium)" name=Generator> <STYLE> v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} </STYLE> <?xml:namespace prefix = o /><o:SmartTagType name="Street" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><o:SmartTagType name="State" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><o:SmartTagType name="country-region" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><o:SmartTagType name="City" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><o:SmartTagType name="address" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><o:SmartTagType name="PlaceName" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><o:SmartTagType name="PlaceType"
namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><o:SmartTagType name="place" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><o:SmartTagType name="PersonName" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"> <STYLE> st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } </STYLE> <STYLE> <!-- /* Font Definitions */ @font-face {font-family:Tahoma; panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman";} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {color:blue; text-decoration:underline;} a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:blue; text-decoration:underline;} p {mso-margin-top-alt:auto; margin-right:0in; mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; margin-left:0in; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman";} span.EmailStyle18 {mso-style-type:personal; font-family:Arial; color:navy;} span.EmailStyle19 {mso-style-type:personal-reply;
font-family:Arial; color:navy;} @page Section1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> </STYLE> </o:SmartTagType></o:SmartTagType></o:SmartTagType></o:SmartTagType></o:SmartTagType></o:SmartTagType></o:SmartTagType></o:SmartTagType></o:SmartTagType> <DIV class=Section1> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">LLL (Latah Lounge Lizard, not to be confused with <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 /><st1:Street w:st="on"><st1:address w:st="on">Lois Lane</st1:address></st1:Street>) stated:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">“Does my IP address devalue the relevance of my questions?
Yes, my IP address is a UI account. My understanding is that the UI is part of the <st1:City w:st="on">Moscow</st1:City> and <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Latah</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">County</st1:PlaceType></st1:place> community. Am I wrong?”<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Independent of all else, I would have to say that the location from which you are posting doesn’t devalue the relevance of your questions. However, coupled with your childish anonymity, No-Clue’s off-list game of “I’m Rubber, You’re Glue” has proven more pertinent.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Tom Hansen<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Moscow, Idaho<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy">"We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students. The college students are not very active in local elections (thank goodness!)."<BR><BR>- Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=navy><SPAN style="COLOR: navy"> </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <HR tabIndex=-1 align=center width="100%" SIZE=2>
</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Latah Lounger<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, June 06, 2007 3:21 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Vision-2020<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [Vision2020] Relevance of some posts - WAS Christ is . . . .</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></DIV></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hi Tom,<BR>Does my IP address devalue the relevance of my questions? Yes,
my IP address is a UI account. My understanding is that the UI is part of the <st1:City w:st="on">Moscow</st1:City> and <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Latah</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">County</st1:PlaceType></st1:place> community. Am I wrong?<BR><BR>So, to get back to the essence of one my original questions . . . .<BR><BR>Why are messages that discuss the ins-and-outs of various religions (Islamic, Jewish, Christian, Agnostic?) relevant on Vision 2020 given the board's clearly stated objective?<BR><BR>Why are messages and links to cartoons bashing various Republicans, Democrats, <st1:place w:st="on">Hollywood</st1:place> types, etc relevant on Vision 2020 given the board's clearly stated objective?<BR><BR>Why are messages that discuss (both for and against) pot-smoking grannies, illegal aliens, and gay marriage relevant on Vision 2020 given the board's clearly stated objective?<BR><BR>If one cannot tie their message back to the objective of the
board (i.e., the future of <st1:City w:st="on">Moscow</st1:City> and <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Latah</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">County</st1:PlaceType></st1:place>), then perhaps the individual should consider posting it on another board. For instance, there are thousands of message boards for political, religion, drug-related banter.<BR><BR>What if everyone posted non-Moscow or <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">non-Latah</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">County</st1:PlaceType></st1:place> messages on Vision 2020? Perhaps I should request my friends in Engineering to post esoteric engineering-related messages having nothing to do with Vision 2020's stated objective simply because they live in <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Latah</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">County</st1:PlaceType></st1:place> and seek debate.<BR><BR>Perhaps I'm missing something and there is some sort of twisted relationship
between the future of of Moscow/Latah County and the fact that <st1:City u1:st="on"><st1:place u1:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">St. Augustine</st1:place></st1:City> made Theodosius do penance for the atrocities at Thessalonica? Am I?</st1:place></st1:City></SPAN></FONT><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><B><I><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-STYLE: italic">Tom Hansen <thansen@moscow.com></SPAN></I></B> wrote:<o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><?xml:namespace prefix = u2 /><u2:SmartTagType name="State" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><u2:SmartTagType name="country-region" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><u2:SmartTagType name="City" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><u2:SmartTagType name="PlaceName"
namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><u2:SmartTagType name="PlaceType" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><u2:SmartTagType name="place" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><u2:SmartTagType name="PersonName" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></u2:SmartTagType></u2:SmartTagType></u2:SmartTagType></u2:SmartTagType></u2:SmartTagType></u2:SmartTagType></u2:SmartTagType>Just for y’all’s edificaction –<u2:p></u2:p></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><u2:p> </u2:p></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The IP address for the computer used by “Latah Loungerâ€
was:<u2:p></u2:p></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><u2:p> </u2:p></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">129.101.114.147<u2:p></u2:p></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><u2:p> </u2:p></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Any guesses where that IP address is located?<u2:p></u2:p></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY:
Arial"><u2:p> </u2:p></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">64.126.190.123 ain’t much, but I call it home.<u2:p></u2:p></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><u2:p> </u2:p></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Tom Hansen<u2:p></u2:p></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></DIV></DIV> <DIV><st1:place u1:st="on"><st1:City u1:st="on"></st1:City></st1:place> <DIV class=MsoNormal><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Moscow</SPAN></FONT></st1:City><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT></st1:place><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2>, <st1:State u1:st="on"><st1:State w:st="on">Idaho</st1:State></st1:State></FONT><o:p></o:p></DIV></DIV><u2:p></u2:p> <DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><u2:p> </u2:p><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">"As more and more heathens 'choose' to not have children the number of Godly souls will increase. If the number of Christian births out number the number of Islamic births the battle will be over in 3 or 4 generations."<u2:p></u2:p><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">- Doug "No-Clue" Farris (March 10, 2007)<u2:p></u2:p><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal
style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <HR tabIndex=-1 align=center width="100%" SIZE=2> </SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Latah Lounger<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, June 06, 2007 12:52 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Vision-2020<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [Vision2020] Christ is Our Commander-in-Chief<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Importance:</SPAN></B> High</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></DIV><u2:p></u2:p></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New
Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><u2:p> </u2:p><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Why is it relevant with regard to HOW MANY individuals were killed by such-and-such people of a certain faith. Isn't it the simple act of killing and the reason behind the killing that is of importance? Keeping scorecards of "number killed" by "faith/belief structure" seems a bit sophomoric if the ultimate issue is to address the REASON behind the killing. Is one faith more evil or despicable because it killed 2,000 more than another for the exact same reason?<BR><BR>Furthermore, what does Gier's post really have to do with the stated objective of Vision 2020: "<st1:PersonName u1:st="on"><st1:PersonName w:st="on">Moscow Vision 2020</st1:PersonName></st1:PersonName> is an informal, multi-partisan group of <st1:City u1:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Moscow</st1:City></st1:City>
residents formed in 1993 to encourage more public information and debate about the future of <st1:City u1:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Moscow</st1:City></st1:City> and <st1:place u1:st="on"><st1:PlaceName u1:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Latah</st1:PlaceName></st1:place> <st1:PlaceType u1:st="on"><st1:PlaceType w:st="on">County</st1:PlaceType></st1:PlaceType></st1:PlaceName></st1:place>." I fail to comprehend where Gier's post, as well as many other posted here, has any connection with <st1:City u1:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Moscow</st1:City></st1:City> or <st1:place u1:st="on"><st1:PlaceName u1:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Latah</st1:PlaceName></st1:place> <st1:PlaceType u1:st="on"><st1:PlaceType w:st="on">County</st1:PlaceType></st1:PlaceType></st1:PlaceName></st1:place>. It appears that several posters use the board as a soapbox to spout off their own partisan or religious beliefs, or, in this case, to develop a thesis,
without connecting how their post relates to <st1:City u1:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Moscow</st1:City></st1:City>'s or <st1:place u1:st="on"><st1:PlaceName u1:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Latah</st1:PlaceName></st1:place> <st1:PlaceType u1:st="on"><st1:PlaceType w:st="on">County</st1:PlaceType></st1:PlaceType></st1:PlaceName></st1:place>'s future.<BR><BR><B><I><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-STYLE: italic">nickgier@adelphia.net</SPAN></I></B> wrote:<u2:p></u2:p><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Good Morning:<BR><BR>I would like to thank Gary Crabtree for the inspiration for this week's KRFP radio commentary.<BR><BR><st1:PersonName u1:st="on"><st1:PersonName w:st="on">Nick Gier</st1:PersonName></st1:PersonName><BR><BR>CHRIST IS OUR COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF:<BR>RELATIVE VIOLENCE IN ISLAM AND CHRISTIANITY<BR><BR>I'm writing a book on the origins of
religious violence and my thesis is that there has been far more religiously motivated violence in the Abrahamic religionsâ€â€Judaism, Christianity, and Islamâ€â€than the Asian religions. Draft chapters can be viewed at www.class.uidaho.edu/ngier/orv.htm.<BR><BR>A person on our local list-serve Vision2020 had this to say about relative violence in Islam and Christianity: <BR><BR>"Up to the eleventh century Islam had a sizable lead. From 1095 to 1291 the Church picked up the pace and nosed ahead. It was neck and neck till 1834 and the end of the Spanish Inquisition. After that Allah's chosen made it no contest." <BR><BR>There are more than a few problems with this summary history.<BR><BR>Islam could not possibly have had any sort of lead before the 11th Century because Christianity had a very good head start. Under Theodosius I, being a pagan was a capital crime, and even Christians were arrested if they practiced even the most minor of pagan
practices. <BR><BR>On December 25, 390, Theodosius ordered the slaughter of 7,000 pagans in Thessalonica. The British historian Hugh Trevor Roper called Theodosius "the first Spanish Inquisitor," and "the Christian monarch who introduced the world to religious totalitarianism." <BR><BR>Bishop Ambrose, who baptized <st1:City u1:st="on"><st1:place u1:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">St. Augustine</st1:place></st1:City></st1:place></st1:City>, made Theodosius do penance for the atrocities at Thessalonica, but he still proclaimed that "Christ was now at the head of the [Roman] legions." <BR><BR>This reminds me of the sign outside a fundamentalist church in <st1:City u1:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">L.A.</st1:City></st1:City>, right after the invasion of <st1:country-region u1:st="on"><st1:place u1:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Iraq</st1:place></st1:country-region></st1:place></st1:country-region>: "Christ is our Commander-in-Chief."
I'm assuming that our born-again president would have to agree with this demotion. <BR><BR>Under Muslim rule Jews and Christians were generally asked to offer a special tax, not their heads. The slaughter of 4,000 Jews in Muslim Granada in 1066 was the exception rather than the rule, and Jews generally had much better lives in Muslim Spain than anywhere else in Christian Europe.<BR><BR>In 1099, men, women, and children were slaughtered indiscriminately when Christian forces captured <st1:City u1:st="on"><st1:place u1:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Jerusalem</st1:place></st1:City></st1:place></st1:City>. An eyewitness reported that the Crusaders "rode in blood up to their knees and bridle reins. Indeed, it was a just and splendid judgment of God that this place should be filled with the blood of the unbelievers, since it had suffered so long from their blasphemies." <BR><BR>When Saladin retook the city in 1187, Christians were only required to pay a ransom
and then free to return home. Some of Saladin's officers paid for those who could not afford it, and about 7,000 others were sold into slavery.<BR><BR>In Muslim India Buddhist and Hindus were, incredibly enough, declared "People of the Book," and the tax on non-Muslims was only sporadically enforced and even more infrequently collected. <BR><BR>Most of the ancestors of Muslims in <st1:country-region u1:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on">Pakistan</st1:country-region></st1:country-region>, <st1:country-region u1:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on">Bangladesh</st1:country-region></st1:country-region> (especially here), <st1:country-region u1:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on">India</st1:country-region></st1:country-region>, <st1:country-region u1:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on">Indonesia</st1:country-region></st1:country-region>, and <st1:country-region u1:st="on"><st1:place u1:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Malaysia</st1:place></st1:country-region></st1:place></st1:country-region> freely converted to Islam. Areas in <st1:country-region u1:st="on"><st1:place u1:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">India</st1:place></st1:country-region></st1:place></st1:country-region> where forced conversions were attempted are now the places where one finds the fewest Muslims per capita.<BR><BR>Some Mughal emperors ordered the destruction of Hindu and Buddhist temples, but local resistance and intimidated Mughal functionaries meant that relatively few temples were liquidated. Early Christian emperors were much more successful in destroying pagan temples, including the one in <st1:City u1:st="on"><st1:place u1:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Alexandria</st1:place></st1:City></st1:place></st1:City> that housed the finest library in the ancient world. <BR><BR>Curiously, the Vision2020 post above ended Christian atrocities in 1834, but during the
Taiping Rebellion, Chinese Christian armies were responsible for killing 10-20 million people between 1852-1864. I would hazard a guess that more Daoist, Buddhist, and Confucian temples were destroyed by the Taipings in 12 years than 600 years of Muslim rule in <st1:country-region u1:st="on"><st1:place u1:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">India</st1:place></st1:country-region></st1:place></st1:country-region>. <BR><BR>Some have claimed that the Taipings were not really Christians, but that is simply not the case. They took great pains to eliminate Chinese religious influences; they enforced the 10 Commandments at the point of a sword; and they followed the Bible very carefully, including the prophecies in the Book of Revelation.<BR><BR>Short of Osama bin Laden getting several nukes and using them, <BR>militant Muslims have a long way to go to match the historical Christian kill rate. <BR><BR><st1:PersonName u1:st="on"><st1:PersonName w:st="on">Nick
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