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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Just for y’all’s edificaction –<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The IP address for the computer used by “Latah
Lounger” was:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>129.101.114.147<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Any guesses where that IP address is
located?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>64.126.190.123 ain’t much, but I call it
home.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Tom Hansen<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on"><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Moscow</span></font></st1:City><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>, <st1:State
w:st="on">Idaho</st1:State></span></font></st1:place><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>"As
more and more heathens 'choose' to not have children the number of Godly souls
will increase. If the number of Christian births out number the number of
Islamic births the battle will be over in 3 or 4 generations."<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>- Doug
"No-Clue" Farris (March 10, 2007)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
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vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Latah Lounger<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, June 06, 2007
12:52 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Vision-2020<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Vision2020] Christ
is Our Commander-in-Chief<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Importance:</span></b> High</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Why is it relevant with regard to HOW MANY individuals were killed by
such-and-such people of a certain faith. Isn't it the simple act of killing and
the reason behind the killing that is of importance? Keeping scorecards of
"number killed" by "faith/belief structure" seems a bit
sophomoric if the ultimate issue is to address the REASON behind the killing.
Is one faith more evil or despicable because it killed 2,000 more than another
for the exact same reason?<br>
<br>
Furthermore, what does Gier's post really have to do with the stated objective
of Vision 2020: "<st1:PersonName w:st="on">Moscow Vision 2020</st1:PersonName>
is an informal, multi-partisan group of <st1:City w:st="on">Moscow</st1:City>
residents formed in 1993 to encourage more public information and debate about
the future of <st1:City w:st="on">Moscow</st1:City> and <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName
w:st="on">Latah</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">County</st1:PlaceType></st1:place>."
I fail to comprehend where Gier's post, as well as many other posted here, has
any connection with <st1:City w:st="on">Moscow</st1:City> or <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName
w:st="on">Latah</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">County</st1:PlaceType></st1:place>.
It appears that several posters use the board as a soapbox to spout off their
own partisan or religious beliefs, or, in this case, to develop a thesis, without
connecting how their post relates to <st1:City w:st="on">Moscow</st1:City>'s or
<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Latah</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType
w:st="on">County</st1:PlaceType></st1:place>'s future.<br>
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<b><i><span style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>nickgier@adelphia.net</span></i></b>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Good Morning:<br>
<br>
I would like to thank Gary Crabtree for the inspiration for this week's KRFP
radio commentary.<br>
<br>
<st1:PersonName w:st="on">Nick Gier</st1:PersonName><br>
<br>
CHRIST IS OUR COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF:<br>
RELATIVE VIOLENCE IN ISLAM AND CHRISTIANITY<br>
<br>
I'm writing a book on the origins of religious violence and my thesis is that
there has been far more religiously motivated violence in the Abrahamic
religions—Judaism, Christianity, and Islam—than the Asian religions. Draft
chapters can be viewed at www.class.uidaho.edu/ngier/orv.htm.<br>
<br>
A person on our local list-serve Vision2020 had this to say about relative
violence in Islam and Christianity: <br>
<br>
"Up to the eleventh century Islam had a sizable lead. From 1095 to 1291
the Church picked up the pace and nosed ahead. It was neck and neck till 1834
and the end of the Spanish Inquisition. After that Allah's chosen made it no
contest." <br>
<br>
There are more than a few problems with this summary history.<br>
<br>
Islam could not possibly have had any sort of lead before the 11th Century
because Christianity had a very good head start. Under Theodosius I, being a
pagan was a capital crime, and even Christians were arrested if they practiced
even the most minor of pagan practices. <br>
<br>
On December 25, 390, Theodosius ordered the slaughter of 7,000 pagans in
Thessalonica. The British historian Hugh Trevor Roper called Theodosius
"the first Spanish Inquisitor," and "the Christian monarch who
introduced the world to religious totalitarianism." <br>
<br>
Bishop Ambrose, who baptized <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">St.
Augustine</st1:place></st1:City>, made Theodosius do penance for the
atrocities at Thessalonica, but he still proclaimed that "Christ was now
at the head of the [Roman] legions." <br>
<br>
This reminds me of the sign outside a fundamentalist church in <st1:City w:st="on">L.A.</st1:City>,
right after the invasion of <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Iraq</st1:place></st1:country-region>:
"Christ is our Commander-in-Chief." I'm assuming that our born-again
president would have to agree with this demotion. <br>
<br>
Under Muslim rule Jews and Christians were generally asked to offer a special
tax, not their heads. The slaughter of 4,000 Jews in Muslim Granada in 1066 was
the exception rather than the rule, and Jews generally had much better lives in
Muslim Spain than anywhere else in Christian Europe.<br>
<br>
In 1099, men, women, and children were slaughtered indiscriminately when
Christian forces captured <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Jerusalem</st1:place></st1:City>.
An eyewitness reported that the Crusaders "rode in blood up to their knees
and bridle reins. Indeed, it was a just and splendid judgment of God that this
place should be filled with the blood of the unbelievers, since it had suffered
so long from their blasphemies." <br>
<br>
When Saladin retook the city in 1187, Christians were only required to pay a
ransom and then free to return home. Some of Saladin's officers paid for those
who could not afford it, and about 7,000 others were sold into slavery.<br>
<br>
In Muslim India Buddhist and Hindus were, incredibly enough, declared
"People of the Book," and the tax on non-Muslims was only
sporadically enforced and even more infrequently collected. <br>
<br>
Most of the ancestors of Muslims in <st1:country-region w:st="on">Pakistan</st1:country-region>,
<st1:country-region w:st="on">Bangladesh</st1:country-region> (especially
here), <st1:country-region w:st="on">India</st1:country-region>, <st1:country-region
w:st="on">Indonesia</st1:country-region>, and <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Malaysia</st1:place></st1:country-region> freely converted to Islam.
Areas in <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">India</st1:place></st1:country-region>
where forced conversions were attempted are now the places where one finds the
fewest Muslims per capita.<br>
<br>
Some Mughal emperors ordered the destruction of Hindu and Buddhist temples, but
local resistance and intimidated Mughal functionaries meant that relatively few
temples were liquidated. Early Christian emperors were much more successful in
destroying pagan temples, including the one in <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Alexandria</st1:place></st1:City> that housed the finest library in
the ancient world. <br>
<br>
Curiously, the Vision2020 post above ended Christian atrocities in 1834, but
during the Taiping Rebellion, Chinese Christian armies were responsible for
killing 10-20 million people between 1852-1864. I would hazard a guess that
more Daoist, Buddhist, and Confucian temples were destroyed by the Taipings in
12 years than 600 years of Muslim rule in <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">India</st1:place></st1:country-region>. <br>
<br>
Some have claimed that the Taipings were not really Christians, but that is
simply not the case. They took great pains to eliminate Chinese religious
influences; they enforced the 10 Commandments at the point of a sword; and they
followed the Bible very carefully, including the prophecies in the Book of
Revelation.<br>
<br>
Short of Osama bin Laden getting several nukes and using them, <br>
militant Muslims have a long way to go to match the historical Christian kill
rate. <br>
<br>
<st1:PersonName w:st="on">Nick Gier</st1:PersonName> taught religion and
philosophy at the <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceType w:st="on">University</st1:PlaceType>
of <st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Idaho</st1:PlaceName></st1:place> for 31 years.
See his columns as the Palouse Pundit at www.NickGier.com.<br>
<br>
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