<DIV>Is this the third or fourth elected city official now to have told Ament to shut up for being disrespectful and rude to staff during a council meeting? Obviously, someone needed to tell the former radio show host and bigot this isn't the Imus show, it is the Moscow City Council. Weber articulated that in a manner that even Ament could understand. Thank you Councilman Weber for representing Moscow. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Best,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Donovan<BR><BR><B><I>Tom Hansen <thansen@moscow.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Mr. Crabtree -<BR><BR>Councilman Ament's comments to the city staff were not so much concerned<BR>with how current the information was that they had provided him as much as<BR>the punctuality in which it was delivered (which apparently is a recurring<BR>theme with this city staff).<BR><BR>Perhaps you
would applaud Councilman Weber's lack of maturity. I assure<BR>you, Mr. Crabtree, had many of us here on the Viz acted in such a manner in<BR>our infancy, punishment would have been swift and stern.<BR><BR>Tom Hansen<BR>Moscow, Idaho<BR><BR>"Uh, how about a 1-strike law. Death doesn't seem too extreme for a Level-3<BR>sex offender."<BR><BR>- Dale "Comb-Over" Courtney (August 3, 2005)<BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com]<BR>On Behalf Of g. crabtree<BR>Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 4:52 PM<BR>To: Saundra Lund; vision2020@moscow.com<BR>Cc: aaronament@moscow.com; nchaney@ci.moscow.id.us; bstout@ci.moscow.id.us;<BR>blambert@ci.moscow.id.us; sears@moscow.com<BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] A Sad Night for Moscow<BR><BR>What I found appalling was Ament once again berating the city staff in <BR>public, at length and ad nauseum. The setting of a city council meeting is <BR>not the place for Moscow's worst
(for now) council person to give vent to <BR>his peevish little tantrums. While Mr. Weber's turn of phrase may have been <BR>a tad ill considered, it was certainly timely and far less rude and <BR>inappropriate then Aments tirade against employees whose greatest failing is<BR><BR>trying to provide him with up to the minute information. The bastards.<BR><BR>g<BR>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From: "Saundra Lund" <SSLUND@ROADRUNNER.COM><BR>To: <VISION2020@MOSCOW.COM><BR>Cc: <BSTOUT@CI.MOSCOW.ID.US>; <AARONAMENT@MOSCOW.COM>; <BR><BLAMBERT@CI.MOSCOW.ID.US>; <NCHANEY@CI.MOSCOW.ID.US>; <SEARS@MOSCOW.COM><BR>Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 4:12 PM<BR>Subject: [Vision2020] A Sad Night for Moscow<BR><BR><BR>> Visionaires:<BR>><BR>> No matter how you feel about the issue that was under discussion, I am<BR>> absolutely appalled at John Weber's behavior during last night's City<BR>> Council meeting :-( For him to publicly tell another Council member with<BR>> whom he
disagrees to "shut up" is simply beyond the pale. Stupid mistakes<BR>> like that do far more to harm our community than do honest disagreements.<BR>><BR>> What happened to your manners, Mr. Weber? Did you not stop to ***think***<BR>> about your behavior being televised into homes in our community?!? Even <BR>> my<BR>> 17-year-old knows it's incredibly rude and disrespectful to tell another <BR>> to<BR>> "shut up." She, BTW, was gleefully (I'm sorry to say) horrified reading<BR>> about your spectacle last night. I had to explain to her I was sure your<BR>> mother *had* raised you better, but people sometimes make mistakes in the<BR>> heat of the moment or not, as she well knows, and that when you make a<BR>> mistake, you apologize, learn from the mistake, and carry on. "Where's <BR>> his<BR>> apology?" was her question. It's mine, too.<BR>><BR>> We're waiting for an apology, Mr. Weber -- one is certainly due from you <BR>>
to<BR>> all who witnessed or read about your rude and disrespectful behavior last<BR>> night.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> Saundra Lund<BR>> Moscow, ID<BR>><BR>> The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do<BR>> nothing.<BR>> - Edmund Burke<BR>><BR>> Moscow-Pullman Daily News<BR>><BR>> Big-box changes nixed<BR>> By Omie Drawhorn, Daily News staff writer<BR>><BR>> Tuesday, June 5, 2007 - Page Updated at 12:00:00 AM<BR>><BR>> Tempers flared at Monday night's Moscow City Council meeting, during which<BR>> the council rejected any amendments to the large retail establishment<BR>> ordinance.<BR>><BR>> "We already have a dark-store ordinance in there that is stronger than <BR>> what<BR>> planning and zoning brought us," Councilman Aaron Ament said. "I want to <BR>> see<BR>> a cap. A cap would serve this community well. We have a big-box shopping<BR>> culture that's just
about run its course in this country; we're making <BR>> sure<BR>> they mitigate for problems they cause the community. Moscow would be crazy<BR>> to drop all the rest and just let them come into the city on their own<BR>> terms."<BR>><BR>> Ament went on to say he was frustrated that Moscow city staff members hand<BR>> him important documents just minutes before the start of a meeting.<BR>><BR>> "I'm so tired of coming to sit down and have people flip papers for me to<BR>> read," he said. "I seriously read everything put in the packet, and I find<BR>> it insulting for them to expect me to read it in a couple of minutes."<BR>><BR>> At that point, Councilman John Weber interrupted Ament.<BR>><BR>> "We have pretty qualified people over here who do a very good job; I don't<BR>> need you running off on them," he said. "Why don't you just shut up?"<BR>><BR>> Moscow Mayor Nancy Chaney said Weber interrupted Ament at "the
appropriate<BR>> time."<BR>><BR>> "I hope we can retrieve a little civility on all sides," Councilwoman <BR>> Linda<BR>> Pall said.<BR>><BR>> The amendments recommended by the planning and zoning commission included:<BR>><BR>> A large retail establishment would have to expand by at least 30 percent<BR>> before it would be required to apply for a conditional use permit;<BR>><BR>> Big-box stores between 40,000 and 65,000 square feet would be subject to <BR>> the<BR>> design manual - which includes standards for the exterior and interior of<BR>> buildings - at the discretion of the board of adjustment;<BR>><BR>> Any business requiring 140 or fewer parking spaces would not be subject to<BR>> the parking requirements of the design manual;<BR>><BR>> Size be based on gross floor space as opposed to projected roof area,<BR>> thereby eliminating outdoor storage areas from the calculated square<BR>>
footage.<BR>><BR>> The planning and zoning commission also recommended a guideline for stores<BR>> that go dark in Moscow to follow.<BR>><BR>> The large retail establishment ordinance, passed in February 2006, <BR>> requires<BR>> retail stores with more than 40,000 square feet of gross floor area to <BR>> apply<BR>> for a conditional use permit.<BR>><BR>> The council heard public testimony on the proposed amendments May 7.<BR>><BR>> Councilman Bill Lambert said the conditional use permit process already<BR>> gives the city enough control on which businesses are allowed to locate<BR>> within the city.<BR>><BR>> "The big-box ordinance as it stands now is a tough enough ordinance we're<BR>> not going to need (amendments) like this to prevail," he said. "The<BR>> dark-store issue can be dealt with at the time the conditional use permit <BR>> is<BR>> requested."<BR>><BR>> Weber agreed.<BR>><BR>> "With
the dark store ordinance, what we have done here is put in some<BR>> verbiage that would make it almost impossible for anybody from the city to<BR>> enforce or get a handle on," he said. "We've choked it off to the point <BR>> that<BR>> nobody really wants to come here anyway."<BR>><BR>> In other business, the council reversed a board of adjustment decision <BR>> that<BR>> granted a conditional use permit for a proposed a Dutch Bros. coffee <BR>> outlet<BR>> with a drive-through window at 525 S. Jackson St.<BR>><BR>> QUICKREAD<BR>><BR>> WHAT HAPPENED: The Moscow City Council rejected amendments to the large<BR>> retail establishment ordinance recommended by the planning and zoning<BR>> commission.<BR>><BR>> WHAT IT MEANS: The large retail establishment ordinance will not include a<BR>> size cap. The original dark-store provision remains the same.<BR>><BR>> WHAT HAPPENS NEXT: The ordinance will remain as
originally written.<BR>><BR>> WHY YOU SHOULD CARE: The ordinance affects businesses greater than 40,000<BR>> square feet that want to move into Moscow.<BR>><BR>> Omie Drawhorn can be reached at (208) 882-5561, ext. 234, or by e-mail at<BR>> odrawhorn@dnews.com.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> =======================================================<BR>> List services made available by First Step Internet,<BR>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<BR>> http://www.fsr.net<BR>> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> =======================================================<BR>> <BR><BR><BR>=======================================================<BR>List services made available by First Step Internet, <BR>serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <BR>http://www.fsr.net
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