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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=390511602-06062007>Really
people, enough already. Take it off-line.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=390511602-06062007></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=390511602-06062007>This
is supposed to be a forum about Moscow.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=390511602-06062007></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=390511602-06062007>Thanks</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=390511602-06062007>Bev</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com]<B>On
Behalf Of </B>Donovan Arnold<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, June 05, 2007 6:59
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Sunil Ramalingam; vision2020@moscow.com<BR><B>Subject:</B>
Re: [Vision2020] Jeb Bush Featured in Gay Marriage Ads<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>Sunil,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I think you honestly know what Pat Kraut meant, and you enjoy taking
people's comments and twisting them against people, the words, and their
meanings for your agenda. You, me, and everyone else knows that no matter what
Pat Kraut said to try and better word her statement you would pounce on
her like a hungry lion on a little child. That is what you do to people.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>You make fun of people and you even made fun of me and my disability.
</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Another example of you using your lawyerly ways to twist people's
meanings and words is like just now with the suicide attempt. I was not making
fun of the family. I was making note of the fact that you were going to defend
a child molester that killed himself. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I don't think the tragedy for that family was the child molester killing
himself, it was that he was a child molester. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>If you want to in your lawyerly way attempt to twist the truth and make
me sound like I was making fun of a hurting family, have at it, that is what
you do and certainly better than most people I know. But it was not what
happened, and what I meant, and you know it. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>And yes, I do mock the death of all men that molest little boys and
girls, and I explained to you why in a private email. Your public email
ignoring that I send that private explanation is greater testimony to me
what a true lawyer you really are by pretending you never got it.
</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Tell me Sunil, did you cry with the family of the victims of the child
molester you were going to protect? </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Donovan</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><B><I>Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam@hotmail.com></I></B>
wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq
style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Donovan,<BR><BR>I
do my best not to respond to your posts, but I'll make an exception
here.<BR><BR>First, I have offered no judgment or opinions regarding what
Pat meant by <BR>her comments. I don't know what she means at all, because
she won't answer <BR>my question. I would like to know what she meant, and
she has chosen not to <BR>answer. I don't know how you know what she meant,
unless she told you <BR>offlist; she has not done it here.<BR><BR>Second:
I'm not sure where you get off criticizing my posts. You wrote one <BR>of
the most disgusting things I've seen here when you used the attempted
<BR>suicide of one of my clients to launch an attack on me.<BR><BR>I never
met that man before his attempt, and his case was never adjudicated. <BR>But
I did meet his mother and the rest of his family when they got to
<BR>Gritman, and tried to comfort her has she cried. I talked to her often
<BR>after they decided not to keep him on life support. He was a son, a
<BR>brother, an uncle, and his attempted suicide and subsequent death caused
his <BR>family terrible grief, as did the accusation against
him.<BR><BR>When you are willing to mock his death here to attack me, how
are you <BR>qualified to critique my post to Pat? Move out of your glass
house first.<BR><BR>Sunil<BR><BR><BR>>From: Donovan Arnold
<DONOVANJARNOLD2005@YAHOO.COM><BR>>To: Sunil Ramalingam
<SUNILRAMALINGAM@HOTMAIL.COM>, vision2020@moscow.com<BR>>Subject: Re:
[Vision2020] Jeb Bush Featured in Gay Marriage Ads<BR>>Date: Tue, 5 Jun
2007 07:47:34 -0700 (PDT)<BR>><BR>>Sunil,<BR>><BR>> Why do all
of your emails come across as a legal cross examination of <BR>>somebody
on the stand? Are you not capable of speaking like a human being
<BR>>instead of a lawyer? We aren't inside a court room, and Pat Kraut is
a not <BR>>witness for the defense for you to try and
discredit.<BR>><BR>> I think it is obvious to me, that Pat Kraut was
trying to engage in <BR>>conversation about the state trying to force the
church to behave in a <BR>>particular manner, she used interracial
marriage as a similar instance as a <BR>>historical reference. She was
not advocating that it was wrong as your <BR>>setting up your
argument.<BR>><BR>> You turned the conversation into one about the
personal beliefs of Pat <BR>>Kraut. She didn't want to go that route
because you try to turn her words <BR>>against her rather than just
having the conversation.<BR>><BR>> Best,<BR>><BR>>
Donovan<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>Sunil Ramalingam
<SUNILRAMALINGAM@HOTMAIL.COM>wrote:<BR>> Pat,<BR>><BR>>You made a
statement about interracial marriage, and I asked you to explain<BR>>what
you meant. I didn't want to jump to conclusions about what you
were<BR>>trying to say, and asked for clarification.<BR>><BR>>You
responded with a comment about ignorance of history, but little,
if<BR>>nothing, by way of explanation of your
statement.<BR>><BR>>Please do not now pretend that others are not
willing to go along with you.<BR>>If you choose to make vague statements
and then refuse to clarify them when<BR>>requested, it is not others who
are failing to join you in dialog. You are<BR>>refusing to participate in
any meaningful dialog, not the others
here.<BR>><BR>>Sunil<BR>><BR><BR><BR>=======================================================<BR>List
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