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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I took the twinkling beady blue remark, added in
the too much fun comment and combined it with the too much time on my hands quip
(I recall no "might") and implied a faintly negative spin. If I was in
error I apologize. My post was meant to be an in jest reference to that
conversation more then (but not exclusive of) an expression of
disagreement.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I fail to see the bigotry in the post you decline
to pussyfoot around. There is no question that an inter-racial marriage would
face unique difficulties. Heck, a marriage between a couple of the same
race, religion, educational background, and out of the same culture/community is
tough enough to make work. Adding additional differences and distinctions would
obviously have the potential to make a lasting union more of a challenge. Not
that it necessarily would but, the potential would certainly be there. I do not
think acknowledging this reality constitutes intolerance.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>In my opinion a better solution to the church/state
and marriage issue might be to go 180 degrees away from the direction that
Mr. Rumelhart suggested. Have the state recognize no marriage. Treat all
citizens as individuals for the purpose of taxation and benefits and let whoever
wants to consider themselves married go for it with whatever church will have
them. That way a marriage between a man and a woman would be, from a government
perspective, no different than a partnership between a man and a pack of wild
monkeys, a woman and a tank of tropical fish or any other creative living
arraignment. Extending the current arrangement to include gay couples simply
kicks the problem down the road a short distance till the next group
that yearns for acknowledgement and a slice of the pie pops up and
squeals for attention.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>g</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=gussie443@hotmail.com href="mailto:gussie443@hotmail.com">Ellen
Roskovich</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=jampot@adelphia.net
href="mailto:jampot@adelphia.net">jampot@adelphia.net</A> ; <A
title=pkraut@moscow.com href="mailto:pkraut@moscow.com">pkraut@moscow.com</A>
; <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=carolwstrobel@hotmail.com
href="mailto:carolwstrobel@hotmail.com">carolwstrobel@hotmail.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, June 03, 2007 7:22 PM</DIV>
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<P><STRONG>Well, golly gee, Gary. I really thought that the original
post was one of a political nature, so it kinda threw me for a loop when Ms
Kraut came back admonishing us that we should be looking to the church for
answers. Of course, like so many before her, she forgot to explain what
"the church" really means. In this country we embrace all religions (or
so I've been told. . . ) I'm just not sure which one is "THE" church,
but it must be the one Ms Kraut goes to, and it has much better answers than
the Supreme Court.</STRONG></P>
<P><STRONG>Me, judgmental? Hell, yes! If my gut tells me I'm
dealing with a bigot we'll just cut to the chase. . . . no pussyfooting
around. All done in the name of "effective time management", of
course. Hadn't thought of it that way, but it does have a nice ring to
it. Thanks, Gary.</STRONG></P>
<P><STRONG>Now, Gary, 72 hours ago did you really believe I said you were
mean spirited? I think I said there was a twinkle in your beady blue eye
and you might be having too much fun. Hmmm?</STRONG></P>
<P><STRONG>Ellen Roskovich</STRONG> <BR><BR></P>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ms. Roskovich, To think that within the last 72
hours you expressed the notion that I'm a mite mean spirited and have a
little to much time on my hands and yet here we are, handing
out the feel goods. I seriously doubt that Ms. Kraut is a homophobe, much
less a racist. To be handing out those titles based on your admittedly
imperfect understanding of her brief post comes across as a smidge
judgmental, don't you think? Or does your crowded schedule and generous
spirit demand that you leap to the harshest
conclusion possible all in the name of effective time
management?</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=gussie443@hotmail.com href="mailto:gussie443@hotmail.com">Ellen
Roskovich</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=pkraut@moscow.com
href="mailto:pkraut@moscow.com">pkraut@moscow.com</A> ; <A
title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, June 03, 2007 3:58
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Jeb Bush
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<P><STRONG>Something must have been lost in the translation, because I had
a really hard time trying to understand that. But, to me, it sounded
like you're a good bible-thumping homophobe and a tad racist to boot. . .
.all cuz God sez so.</STRONG></P>
<P><STRONG>Ellen Roskovich</STRONG><BR><BR></P></DIV>
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<DIV></DIV>From: <I><<A
href="mailto:pkraut@moscow.com">pkraut@moscow.com</A>></I><BR>To: <I><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A></I><BR>Subject: <I>Re:
[Vision2020] Jeb Bush Featured in Gay Marriage
Ads</I><BR>Date: <I>Sun, 3 Jun 2007 22:31:10
GMT</I><BR>>You are trying to argue with the state and this is a
church issue. The<BR>>church does not want to marry homosexuals
because the bible talks about it<BR>>being an no-no. The church also
questioned marrying outside of their<BR>>religion and race because
the bible suggests it is not a good thing. By<BR>>taking the issue to
the church you would actually have to discuss this<BR>>problem with
some reality which of course is why it is presented to the<BR>>state.
If the church decided to marry outside of race you need to seek
the<BR>>answer from churches. There are churches that are willing to
marry<BR>>homosexuals also...with some of the same problems that
happened when some<BR>>chose to marry outside of
race.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> > >From
today's (June 3, 2007) Spokesman Review -<BR>> ><BR>> >
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><BR>> > Jeb Bush featured in gay marriage ads<BR>> >
Lesley Clark<BR>> > McClatchy<BR>> > June 3, 2007<BR>>
><BR>> > WASHINGTON - Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, the poster
child for gay<BR>> > marriage?<BR>> ><BR>> > A
coalition of civil rights groups that back gay marriage is
using<BR>>photos of<BR>> > prominent couples like the former
Republican governor and his Mexican-<BR>>born<BR>> > wife,
Columba, in an advertising campaign marking the 40th anniversary
of<BR>> > Loving v. Virginia, a U.S. Supreme Court decision that
gave interracial<BR>> > couples the right to marry.<BR>>
><BR>> > The groups say they hope to use the couples and the
court case to bolster<BR>> > their contention that marriage is a
civil right that should know no<BR>>bounds -<BR>> > even for
those of the same sex.<BR>> ><BR>> > "We're honoring and
celebrating something that just over 40 years ago<BR>>some<BR>>
> Americans said was immoral and wrong and could not happen," said
Jimmy<BR>> > Creech, the executive director of Faith in America, a
gay rights advocacy<BR>> > group that is bankrolling the ad
campaign. "We're celebrating the wisdom<BR>> > that prejudice and
bigotry was removed from the law books and Americans<BR>>were<BR>>
> given the right to marry the person they loved, regardless of
race."<BR>> ><BR>> > The "Freedom to Marry" advertising
campaign - to be launched Monday -<BR>> > consists of six ads that
will run in two Capitol Hill publications, Roll<BR>> > Call and
Politico. They feature photos of interracial couples like golfer<BR>>
> Tiger Woods and his wife, Elin, and former U.S. Defense Secretary
Bill<BR>>Cohen<BR>> > and his wife, Janet Langhart, who have
authored a book about their<BR>>marriage,<BR>> > "Love in Black
and White." Couples married to someone of a different<BR>> >
ethnicity, like the Bushes, are also featured.<BR>> ><BR>> >
The ads note that 16 states still banned interracial marriages until
the<BR>> > Supreme Court struck down a Virginia law in 1967,
finding "the freedom to<BR>> > marry has long been recognized as
one of the vital personal rights<BR>>essential<BR>> > to the
orderly pursuit of happiness by free men."<BR>> ><BR>> >
"Jeb and Columba Bush couldn't marry today if discrimination were
still<BR>>the<BR>> > law of the land," the ad that features the
former Florida first couple<BR>> > reads.<BR>> ><BR>>
> Bush didn't respond to a request for comment. But John Stemberger,
an<BR>> > Orlando attorney who is spearheading a petition drive to
put a gay<BR>>marriage<BR>> > ban up for a vote in Florida in
2008, called the ads "a little bit<BR>>silly."<BR>> ><BR>>
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><BR>> > Seeya round town, Moscow.<BR>> ><BR>> >
Tom Hansen<BR>> > Moscow, Idaho<BR>> ><BR>> > "Gays
and lesbians stood up for civil rights in Montgomery, Selma, in<BR>>
> Albany, Georgia and St. Augustine, Florida, and many other
campaigns of<BR>>the<BR>> > Civil Rights
Movement. Many of these courageous men and women
were<BR>>fighting<BR>> > for my freedom at a time when they
could find few voices for their own,<BR>>and<BR>> > I salute
their contributions."<BR>> ><BR>> > - Coretta Scott King
(March 30, 1998)<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> >
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