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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>And I still contend that The Church has never
been as savage or outright bloody minded. Adding up the numbers over time, the
greater number of deaths have occurred at the hands of the followers of the
"religion of peace" than the Roman Catholic Church. Up to the eleventh century
Islam had a sizable lead. From 1095 to 1291 The Church picked up the
pace and nosed ahead. It was neck and neck till 1834 and the end of the Spanish
Inquisition. After that Allah's chosen made it no contest.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>g</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=suehovey@moscow.com href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">Sue Hovey</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=jampot@adelphia.net
href="mailto:jampot@adelphia.net">g. crabtree</A> ; <A
title=debismith@moscow.com href="mailto:debismith@moscow.com">deb</A> ; <A
title=carlwestberg846@hotmail.com
href="mailto:carlwestberg846@hotmail.com">Carl Westberg</A> ; <A
title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, June 01, 2007 3:21 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Follow up -
Islam the religion of peace!</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>No, you very specifically said, "At no point in
history did The Church act in such a savage manner." A later apology
doesn't erase the historical act. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>SH</FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=jampot@adelphia.net href="mailto:jampot@adelphia.net">g.
crabtree</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=suehovey@moscow.com
href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">Sue Hovey</A> ; <A
title=debismith@moscow.com href="mailto:debismith@moscow.com">deb</A> ; <A
title=carlwestberg846@hotmail.com
href="mailto:carlwestberg846@hotmail.com">Carl Westberg</A> ; <A
title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, June 01, 2007 1:34
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Follow up -
Islam the religion of peace!</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sorry Ms. Hovey, I was quite awake
and paying rapt attention. I'm not saying the
inquisition wasn't a horror show but at least roving
bands of blood thirsty Christians didn't hack you down in the middle of the
street, or use children to blow up other children, or lob explosives into
civilian neighborhoods, fly jumbo jets full of innocents into skyscrapers,
the list goes on and on.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The Church has apologized for the hideous
behavior of the inquisition and the crusades, which occurred during the
eleventh through the thirteenth century. Ca</FONT><FONT face=Arial
size=2>n you point out where the followers of Allah have done the same,
considering that their reign of terror has run from its inception in 622 up
through today?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>In the Sudan 1.3 million dead or in
slavery in a country of 5 million for not the crime of
not being muslim. I could go on like this all afternoon. I
never said Mother Church had no blood on it's hands but "the religion
of peace" is making it look like a rank amateur when it comes to the
senseless slaughter of the innocent.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>g</FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=suehovey@moscow.com href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">Sue
Hovey</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=jampot@adelphia.net
href="mailto:jampot@adelphia.net">g. crabtree</A> ; <A
title=debismith@moscow.com href="mailto:debismith@moscow.com">deb</A> ; <A
title=carlwestberg846@hotmail.com
href="mailto:carlwestberg846@hotmail.com">Carl Westberg</A> ; <A
title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, June 01, 2007 9:28
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Follow up -
Islam the religion of peace!</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Gary...Quoting you, "At no point in history
did The Church act in such a savage manner." Obviously your history
education took a detour around the Spanish Inquisition.
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sue </FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=jampot@adelphia.net href="mailto:jampot@adelphia.net">g.
crabtree</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=debismith@moscow.com
href="mailto:debismith@moscow.com">deb</A> ; <A
title=carlwestberg846@hotmail.com
href="mailto:carlwestberg846@hotmail.com">Carl Westberg</A> ; <A
title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, June 01, 2007 7:29
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Follow up
- Islam the religion of peace!</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ms. Smith</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>So what "facts" would you have had me
attack? The fact that a small (in relation to the greater islamic
community, large in overall numbers) group of blood thirsty fanatics
will gleefully beat (or worse) a non-muslim to death at the drop of
a hat for an offense so slight that Christians wouldn't think twice
about it, much less perceive it as a mortal offense against their
all powerful God? Can't do it. Also feel free to spare me the historical
ignorance routine. At no point in history did The Church act in such a
savage manner.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As long as you're feeling
meddlesome, you might as well point out exactly where I "attacked"
Carl. Subsequent communication that I have had with him leads me to
believe that he and I are cool with one another and that he did not
consider himself personally attacked. Either way, Carl is a big boy and
I'm sure if he has a problem with what I post he'll let me know, we'll
discuss it, work it out, and part friends. Your mediation most assuredly
won't be required.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Lastly, I fail to see where you manage
to follow your own sage advise and attack my facts and not me
personally. Perhaps you should reach into your well stocked broom
closet and sweep before yer own door prior to taking on
the burden of mine.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>g</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>----- Original Message ----- </FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>From: "deb" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:debismith@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>debismith@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>To: "g. crabtree" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:jampot@adelphia.net"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>jampot@adelphia.net</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>>; "Carl
Westberg" <</FONT><A href="mailto:carlwestberg846@hotmail.com"><FONT
face=Arial size=2>carlwestberg846@hotmail.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>>; <</FONT><A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT
face=Arial size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 8:41
PM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Follow up - Islam
the religion of peace!</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><BR><FONT size=2></FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT
face=Arial size=2>> Gary, you need both a lesson in history and a
lesson in manners. Sadly, <BR>> someone taught you neither.
Attack the facts, not the individual. If you <BR>> are running on
empty, factually, just stop yourself.....<BR>> Debi R-S<BR>>
<BR>> <BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: "g.
crabtree" <</FONT><A href="mailto:jampot@adelphia.net"><FONT
face=Arial size=2>jampot@adelphia.net</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>> To: "Carl Westberg" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:carlwestberg846@hotmail.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>carlwestberg846@hotmail.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>>; <</FONT><A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT
face=Arial size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 5:04 PM<BR>>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Follow up - Islam the religion of
peace!<BR>> <BR>> <BR>>> Carl, where would you feel more
comfortable, cataloging and shelving<BR>>> religious texts, at
that nasty, intolerant bastion of ill will and <BR>>>
bigotry,<BR>>> Anselm House or the religious studies section of
the library of Sand <BR>>> patch,<BR>>> Northern Nigeria?
(Kano) I'll bet big money I know the answer. I'll also <BR>>>
bet<BR>>> mega naira that should you find yourself working in the
297 section of Get<BR>>> Me The Hell Out Of Here Library (popular
nickname used by English speaking<BR>>> non-Muslim employees)
you'll be inordinately mindful about sudden bouts of<BR>>>
clumsiness. I'm also betting that exclamations of agnosticism probably
<BR>>> won't<BR>>> be met with a hey, no biggie response.
Care to take me up on any of these<BR>>> friendly wagers? Want to
brush up on your book juggling skills first?<BR>>><BR>>>
g<BR>>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>>> From: "Carl
Westberg" <</FONT><A href="mailto:carlwestberg846@hotmail.com"><FONT
face=Arial size=2>carlwestberg846@hotmail.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>> To: <</FONT><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 5:13 PM<BR>>>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Follow up - Islam the religion of
peace!<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>> The repeated attempts by
certain Christian folk to convince me that by <BR>>>>
the<BR>>>> mere fact of being Muslim, one is evil, makes me all
the more convinced<BR>>>> that<BR>>>> to remain an
agnostic who has Muslims and Christians in his circle of<BR>>>>
friends is the right choice. Carl Westberg
Jr.<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>>>From: </FONT><A
href="mailto:heirdoug@netscape.net"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>heirdoug@netscape.net</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2>>>>>To: </FONT><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2>>>>>Subject: [Vision2020] Follow up - Islam the
religion of peace!<BR>>>>>Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 16:46:20
-0400<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>..."the students began
shouting ?oAllahu Akbar? ... they vowed she
<BR>>>>>must<BR>>>>>pay with her
life."<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>"The students, incited to
violence by the militant call to jihad,<BR>>>>>banded
together. Armed with knives and machetes, they started
chasing<BR>>>>>Oluwatoyin, who was said to have sought
refuge in the school<BR>>>>>principal's office. Breaking
down the barriers, they made their way<BR>>>>>into the
office and dragged Oluwatoyin outside. To make this a
public<BR>>>>>and demoralising spectacle, they stripped her
naked and began using the<BR>>>>>knives and machetes on her
body. Despite her pleas, the murderous<BR>>>>>students
eventually slaughtered her and threw her into the boot of
her<BR>>>>>own burning
car."<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>"Still not satisfied with
enough jihad justice, they turned on the<BR>>>>>principal
Alhaji Mohammed Saidu, who tried to protect Oluwatoyin,
and<BR>>>>>beat him mercilessly. In their final rampage,
they proceeded to burn<BR>>>>>down the school clinic, the
administrative block and the
library."<BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>>Olwatoyin
was 31 years old, married and had two little
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