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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Interesting that you zeroed in on the least
important part of my party invitation and completely missed the point. Oh well,
why should this time be any different from all the others</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'll notify the ladies that the mixer that was to
occur after I shared with them my unique expertise on all things that is me is
off due to your abrupt schedule change. They'll be crushed. That or perhaps
Wayne knows two fellas who are less than 101 years of age that can part
with their walkers long enough for a turn about the dance floor?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Don't worry "J" and not so silent "Bob" I'll see to
it you get a name on your dance card before the summers over. Don't
despair!</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>g</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>----- Original Message ----- </FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>From: "Joe Campbell" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:joekc@adelphia.net"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>joekc@adelphia.net</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>To: <</FONT><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 10:29 PM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Holy cr*p, Schwaller!
[was School District Math]</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><BR><FONT size=2></FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2>> Dr. Crabtree,<BR>> <BR>> I'm very offended! Do you think I
would hang out at a place that sold beer for $5? How much do you think
philosophers make? $1 with your own mug and $1.25 otherwise.<BR>> <BR>>
Dr. Schwaller would be a big laugh, indeed, if it weren't for the fact that he's
got otherwise good and intelligent people like your self completely
fooled.<BR>> <BR>> Dr. Schwaller: If you're reading this, I can only be at
the One World for an hour tomorrow -- from noon to 1 pm -- for I have to meet
with a student in Pullman at 1:30. This shouldn’t be a problem since you don’t
exist.<BR>> <BR>> Final note to Crabtree: Nearly all of your posts make
the same point: A is a hypocrite because he says X about B even though X applies
equally to C and A has said nothing about C!<BR>> <BR>> I've point out a
few times that this is a lousy argument. There is not enough time in the day to
criticize everyone, so we have to pick carefully. For instance, a lot of people
have criticized Schwaller but so far you’ve only replied to Keely and me. Try to
get another argument, just for the summer. Please.<BR>> <BR>> --<BR>>
Joe Campbell<BR>> <BR>> ---- "g. crabtree" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:jampot@adelphia.net"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>jampot@adelphia.net</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>> wrote:
<BR>> <BR>> =============<BR>> Mr. Campbell,<BR>> <BR>> Where are
you and Ms. Mix's manners? You two have been courting Schwaller as <BR>>
though he were a prancing rock star and totally ignoring the other <BR>>
purportedly anonymous contributors to our little list. Just imagine how left
<BR>> out poor T. Scimitar, P.Place, B. Herodotus, and last but mostly least
J. <BR>> Ford must feel. You should both know how hurtful it is to see
the pretty <BR>> girls be asked to the cotillion but the *others* have
to stay home sobbing <BR>> into their little satin pillows for lack of that
oh so important invitation. <BR>> In an attempt to make amends I demand that
all the afore mentioned ladies <BR>> appear front and center in New St.
Andrews square tomorrow at 12:00 to <BR>> answer for various comments made on
this forum with which I disagree and to <BR>> receive instruction from me in
proper deportment and decorum from a pleasing <BR>> gcrabtree perspective.
When we are finished we will march in an orderly <BR>> fashion down to the
One World (& $5.00) Coffee Joint Mr. Schaller and his <BR>> instructor
for Dancing and "Atmosphere." Should you refuse to show up (as <BR>> I'm
certain you will) I too will discontinue "conversations with you about <BR>>
social or philosophical issues on Vision 2020." I can but imagine how <BR>>
copiously the tears will flow at that point.<BR>> <BR>> If you find my
demeanor pompous and my demands unreasonable or even <BR>>
ridiculous...<BR>> <BR>> g<BR>> <BR>> P.S. Mr. Fox if you should
happen to read this admonition and invitation it <BR>> will be apparent that
we need one more spry male to even up the dance <BR>> partners. If you know
of one please send him on down.<BR>> <BR>> g<BR>> ----- Original
Message ----- <BR>> From: "Joe Campbell" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:joekc@adelphia.net"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>joekc@adelphia.net</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>><BR>> To:
<</FONT><A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>><BR>>
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 5:11 PM<BR>> Subject: [Vision2020] Holy cr*p,
Schwaller! [was School District Math]<BR>> <BR>> <BR>>> Holy cr*p,
Doug!<BR>>><BR>>> 1/ I didn’t quote anything out of context. People
can judge for <BR>>> themselves. You are just throwing out your
holy-than-thou cr*p in an <BR>>> attempt to justify using the “Venom 2020”
tag for another year and I <BR>>> called you on
it.<BR>>><BR>>> Note to readers: “25 cents now, 1.5 million dollars
later” is about as <BR>>> illogical of an example of the slippery-slope
fallacy as you are likely to <BR>>> find!<BR>>><BR>>> 2/ Of
course you won’t meet with me, Doug, because “Glenn Schwaller” does <BR>>>
not exist and if you did meet with me that would prove
it.<BR>>><BR>>> You say that I want to meet with you so that you can
“Prove to me you're <BR>>> not Doug Wilson” but that is not the reason. I
want to meet with you <BR>>> because your posts are long on wind and short
on logic and I think that I <BR>>> might be able to help if you just gave
me a few minutes of your time. I am <BR>>> nothing if not sincere. I have
no reason to lie. It is my actual name <BR>>> below and my own reputation
at stake. (Perhaps your friends are too afraid <BR>>> to tell you when
you've gone too far but I am not.)<BR>>><BR>>> 3/ A few more
clarifications to your rampant, harmful rhetoric: I do not <BR>>> think
that you are Doug Wilson and I never called you ‘Doug Wilson.’ Nor <BR>>>
did I call you a coward. You seem to have a problem with details. You tend
<BR>>> to regard all of those you hate as if they were one person. I
believe that <BR>>> “Glenn Schwaller” is four different guys, two of whom
are named ‘Doug.’ I’m <BR>>> playing the odds and directing this post to
someone of that name.<BR>>><BR>>> Nor have I said anything about the
Weitz lawsuit. In fact, I agree that <BR>>> vocational training should be
adopted by the MSD and I’m sad that by using <BR>>> extortion as the means
to justify his end, Dr. Weitz has caused an <BR>>> important set back
toward reaching that end. And I’m not alone on this <BR>>>
view.<BR>>><BR>>> 4/ I have no intention of continuing conversations
with you about social <BR>>> or philosophical issues on Vision 2020. If
you want me to listen to you, <BR>>> you have to meet me face-to-face.
Again, I realize this puts you in a <BR>>> spot, seeing how you don’t
exist, but (a) I spent a lot of time preparing <BR>>> a post that
critiqued your views on abortion, which you simply ignored, <BR>>> and (b)
your posts are so long-winded and illogical that it pains me to <BR>>>
read them. I’d rather meet you face-to-face, so that I can point out the
<BR>>> fallacies as they go and spare the Vision 2020 readers further
long-winded <BR>>> posts of my own.<BR>>><BR>>> I’ll be at the
One World Café from noon to 2 pm tomorrow. Doug Farris, who <BR>>> I
actually like, imagines that I’m simply waiting for you. I know you won’t
<BR>>> show but I have plenty of work to do and I enjoy the
atmosphere.<BR>>><BR>>> All the best, Joe<BR>>><BR>>>
-----------------------------------------<BR>>><BR>>> Mr
Campbell,<BR>>><BR>>> There seems to be a pattern in this venue to
select a key point or<BR>>> phrase in a post and present it out of
context. I'm probalby guilty<BR>>> of that as well, but I attempt to
avoid doing so purposefully. That<BR>>> pattern seems a bit
illogical to me, but hey, I haven't been teaching<BR>>> logic for 25 years
. . .<BR>>><BR>>> You seemed to have missed or neglected I mentioned
in my post that,<BR>>> yes - it IS only 25 cents. To refresh your
memory let me quote from<BR>>> that post:<BR>>><BR>>> " Well,
25 cents now, 1.5 million dollars later. It's not the<BR>>>
case-in-point incident that is so nefarious; it's the precedent it<BR>>>
sets that can be damaging."<BR>>><BR>>> This is the very issue those
who support / agree with / UNDERSTAND /<BR>>> defend Dr Weitze's
case are arguing. Others have written more<BR>>> succinctly than I
on that topic and I will not belabor it further.<BR>>><BR>>> I
beliveve I have explained how I know so much about Mr Sitler. I
was<BR>>> reluctant to do so because I was quite certain of the firestorm
it<BR>>> would produce and the associated accusations / name-calling
/<BR>>> "illogical" jumps to conclusions which did indeed happen.
And, as I<BR>>> suspected, it turned out to be something many of you did
not want to<BR>>> hear, even after BEGGING me to tell you. That
seems a bit illogical<BR>>> to me as well.<BR>>><BR>>> I don't
know how long NSA has been downtown because, well, I don't<BR>>>
know. I could look it up I suppose, but I didn't think it
necessary.<BR>>><BR>>> Against my better judgement, I was not going
to address this (it<BR>>> struck me as the geek who stole your prom date
being called out by the<BR>>> high-school bully) but I shall: I have
chosen NOT to meet with you<BR>>> because, quite simply, I see no purpose
in doing so. Your primary<BR>>> motive seems to be "Prove to me
you're not Doug Wilson. Or Steven<BR>>> Sitler. Or Rush
Limbaugh. Or the anti-Christ." Where is the logic<BR>>> in
that? I could perhaps send a ringer in my place. Are you going
to<BR>>> ask to see my driver's license? My birth certificate?
My green card?<BR>>> Pinkie swear?<BR>>><BR>>> You may call me
a coward if you wish. Better yet point your finger<BR>>> and say
"See! I told you so! This proves my point!" After doing
so,<BR>>> I would suggest you go dust off that introductory logic text and
do a<BR>>> bit more reading. Maybe I should meet with you if for no
other reason<BR>>> than to give you several copies (you may distribute
them to your<BR>>> friends) of my favorite bumper
sticker:<BR>>><BR>>> Don't Confuse Me With Facts - My Mind Is Made
Up<BR>>><BR>>> That being said, for the
record:<BR>>><BR>>> 1. I am NOT Doug Wilson. I've never
met Doug Wilson<BR>>> 2. I am NOT affiliated in any way with NSA,
Christ Church, Logos<BR>>> School nor anything that (as far as I know) is
tied to those<BR>>> institutions. I do, however, frequent
Bucers.<BR>>> 3. I am NOT Steven Sitler, (I'm not sure if he's
allowed to go inot<BR>>> Bucers . . .) nor a friend nor family
member.<BR>>> 4. I don't know "where in the public record one may
confirm that I<BR>>> have "worked for several months with Mr Sitler and
other sex offenders<BR>>> in our area." The names of Mr. Sitler's
doctors, counselors, and<BR>>> therapists are matters of public
record." However, public records are<BR>>> not
all-inclusive.<BR>>> 5. I'm not even Gerald
Weitz<BR>>><BR>>>
Schwaller<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>
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