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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Now, Donovan, those concerns aren't mutually
exclusive, you know. It seems pretty self evident to me, particularly
after the events of the past week, the people on Vision 2020 are highly
concerned about people as well as animals. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sue </FONT></DIV>
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<A title=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=carlwestberg846@hotmail.com
href="mailto:carlwestberg846@hotmail.com">Carl Westberg</A> ; <A
title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 29, 2007 7:26 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Daily News:
"OUR VIEW: Dog fights have noplaceinsociety"</DIV>
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<DIV>I am just curious, why are people concerned about the ethical treatment
of animals but not people?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Best,</DIV>
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<DIV>Donovan<BR><BR><B><I>Carl Westberg <<A
href="mailto:carlwestberg846@hotmail.com">carlwestberg846@hotmail.com</A>></I></B>
wrote:</DIV>
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very recently read an article about dog fighting and how easy it is, in
<BR>rural areas, to conduct dog fights with very negligible risk of being
<BR>caught. Set it up deep in the woods, send out lookouts miles away to
give <BR>ample warning. Unfortunately, if our legislators need hard
evidence, merely <BR>because it hasn't been found doesn't mean the ugly
problem does not exist in <BR>our state. 48 other states have figured it
out. There is no doubt an <BR>element that thinks "what the hell, they're
only dogs". I feel sorry for <BR>those people. Thank you, Mr. Trail, for
your efforts. Carl Westberg Jr.<BR><BR><BR>>From: "Tom Hansen"
<THANSEN@MOSCOW.COM><BR>>To: "'Tom Trail'" <TTRAIL@MOSCOW.COM><BR>>CC:
<CARLWESTBERG846@HOTMAIL.COM><BR>>Subject: RE: Re: [Vision2020] Daily
News: "OUR VIEW: Dog fights have no <BR>>placeinsociety"<BR>>Date:
Tue, 29 May 2007 16:50:19 -0700<BR>><BR>>Rep Trail -<BR>><BR>>It
is apparent by your response that mere articles and/or photos will
not<BR>>shame legislators into taking the high ground on this
matter.<BR>><BR>>As far as witnesses are concerned, I am afraid that
you would almost have <BR>>to<BR>>force somebody that is already
active in dog fighting to "roll over" on<BR>>other dog fighting
participants. As long as the penalty amounts to nothing<BR>>more than a
six-month jail term and giving up their lunch money, the threat<BR>>of
prosecution will not force a potential witness' hand. Couple that with
<BR>>a<BR>>legislature that doesn't even feel it necessary to require
criminal checks<BR>>on potential day care center employees and you have a
recipe for a dog<BR>>fighting haven.<BR>><BR>>Certainly there is
something we here in Moscow can do to help.<BR>><BR>>Tom
Hansen<BR>>Moscow, Idaho<BR>><BR>>"Don't tell my why I
can't.<BR>>Show me how I can."<BR>><BR>>- Author
Unknown<BR>><BR>>-----Original Message-----<BR>>From: Tom Trail
[mailto:ttrail@moscow.com]<BR>>Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 3:31
PM<BR>>To: thansen@moscow.com<BR>>Subject: Fwd: Re: [Vision2020] Daily
News: "OUR VIEW: Dog fights have
no<BR>>placeinsociety"<BR>><BR>>Tom I'll be working with the PNW
Humane Society to try and get the<BR>>dog/gamecock felony penalty
introduced again this next session. We have<BR>>the support from Bill
Thompson who is the President of the Idaho State<BR>>Prosecutors
Association. Frankly to convince the hard headed legislators<BR>>we need
hard evidence that dog fighting exists in Idaho--a witness, etc.<BR>>We
haven't been able to come up with this in four years. We have lots
of<BR>>evidence on the game cock arena.<BR>><BR>>Rep. Tom
Trail<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> >X-From_:
vision2020-bounces@moscow.com Tue May 29 15:17:06 2007<BR>> >From:
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)<BR>> ><BR>> >Carl et al -<BR>> ><BR>> >Rep Tom
Trail has been campaigning for the past few years to increase dog<BR>>
>fighting to a felony. I have sent him article after article depicting
<BR>>how<BR>> >these animals are mistreated and how (after they
have outlived their<BR>> >usefulness) they are simply tossed out into
the Idaho wilderness, often<BR>>with<BR>> >their brains fried on
gun powder and missing a limb.<BR>> ><BR>> >Perhaps we should
push for it locally as well.<BR>> ><BR>> >How about it, Carl?
Care to join me off-list and get this party started?<BR>> ><BR>>
>Tom Hansen<BR>> >Moscow, Idaho<BR>> ><BR>>
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vision2020-bounces@moscow.com
<BR>>[mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com]<BR>> >On Behalf Of Carl
Westberg<BR>> >Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 2:56 PM<BR>> >To:
vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Daily News: "OUR
VIEW: Dog fights have no<BR>> >placeinsociety"<BR>> ><BR>>
>If any good can come of the Michael Vick story, it focuses our attention
<BR>>of<BR>> >what, according to experts, is a far more pervasive
problem than we know.<BR>> >If you can stomach it, Sports Illustrated
has a lengthy, if disturbing<BR>>story<BR>> ><BR>> >on the
dog fighting operation that Michael Vick is almost
certainly<BR>>involved<BR>> ><BR>> >in:<BR>>
>http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/nfl/05/29/vick0604/index.htm<BR>>l<BR>>
><BR>> > Why is dog fighting not a felony in Idaho? Carl Westberg
Jr.<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> >>From: "Saundra Lund"
<SSLUND@ROADRUNNER.COM><BR>> >>To: <VISION2020@MOSCOW.COM><BR>>
>>Subject: [Vision2020] Daily News: "OUR VIEW: Dog fights have no
place<BR>> >>insociety"<BR>> >>Date: Tue, 29 May 2007
14:49:13 -0700<BR>> >><BR>> >>Visionaries:<BR>>
>><BR>> >>The following editorial appears in today's
Moscow-Pullman Daily News.<BR>> >><BR>> >>As an aside, I
served on the City of Moscow's Animal (Care and) Control<BR>>
>>Task<BR>> >>Force in 2005, and I was shocked to find out
from Lori Freeman from the<BR>> >>Humane Society of the Palouse
(HSOP) that we have dog fighting right <BR>>here<BR>>
>>in<BR>> >>Latah County :-( Unlike the example of Virginia
in the editorial, <BR>>Idaho<BR>> >>CONTINUES to be one of only
eight states, IIRC, lacking any felony<BR>> >>provision<BR>>
>>for animal cruelty, no matter how heinous the cruelty :-(<BR>>
>><BR>> >><BR>> >>Saundra Lund<BR>>
>>Moscow, ID<BR>> >><BR>> >>The only thing necessary
for the triumph of evil is for good people to <BR>>do<BR>>
>>nothing.<BR>> >>- Edmund Burke<BR>> >><BR>>
>><BR>> >>"OUR VIEW: Dog fights have no place in
society<BR>> >>By Doug Bauer, for the editorial board<BR>>
>>May 29, 2007<BR>> >><BR>> >>Brutality is as common
in the world of sports as home runs and <BR>>touchdowns.<BR>>
>>In some instances, such as ultimate fighting and even NASCAR, it's
the<BR>> > >primary reason many choose to watch the sport.<BR>>
>><BR>> >>Dog fighting is a far different animal - no pun
intended.<BR>> >><BR>> >>The canines are pitted against
one another in a battle that is bloody,<BR>> >>inhumane and often
deadly.<BR>> >><BR>> >>There is absolutely nothing
sporting about that.<BR>> >><BR>> >>Police in Virginia are
investigating whether Atlanta Falcons quarterback<BR>> >>Michael
Vick was part of what appears to be an organized
dog-fighting<BR>>ring.<BR>> >>Dogs and equipment associated with
dog fighting were seized from a home<BR>> >>owned by the NFL star
earlier this year.<BR>> >><BR>> >>Vick has denied any
involvement, blaming relatives for taking advantage <BR>>of<BR>>
>>his generosity and insisting he's rarely at the house, even though
he's<BR>>the<BR>> >>owner.<BR>> >><BR>>
>>Surry County Commonwealth Attorney Gerald Poindexter has said as
many as<BR>> >>six<BR>> >>to 10 people could be involved.
Dog fighting is a felony in Virginia.<BR>> >><BR>> >>"I'm
convinced from what I saw that dog fighting has occurred down
<BR>>there,<BR>> >>but who was involved in it I don't know at
this point," said Poindexter,<BR>> >>noting that he saw what looked
like blood splatters in a room over a<BR>> >>garage.<BR>>
>><BR>> >>The splatters were the "most suggestive evidence of
dog fighting," he<BR>> >>added.<BR>> >>"There were blood
splatters, and somebody would have to explain to me <BR>>how<BR>>
>>you draw blood in the normal training of pit bulls."<BR>>
>><BR>> >>You don't.<BR>> >><BR>> >>Dogs
are commonly referred to as man's best friend. Those who take part
<BR>>in<BR>> >>dog fighting - at any level - are hardly
reciprocating that friendship.<BR>> >><BR>> >>Dogs that
are forced to fight one another don't get a posh
retirement<BR>>party<BR>> >>when their fighting days are done.
Many eventually are euthanized, <BR>>either<BR>> >>due to their
injuries or because they're too aggressive.<BR>> >><BR>>
>>Some are put down simply because they're poor fighters.<BR>>
>><BR>> >>Vick plays in an arena where opposing fans cheer
for his demise. They <BR>>want<BR>> >>to see him harassed,
chased and sacked - maybe even injured.<BR>> >><BR>>
>>He's paid a great deal of money for his efforts, and he usually gets
up<BR>> >>after he's been taken down.<BR>> >><BR>>
>>Neither can be said of the so-called sport police believe has
been<BR>> >>occurring<BR>> >>at his home."<BR>>
>><BR>> >><BR>>
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