<div>I am just curious, why are people concerned about the ethical treatment of animals but not people?</div> <div> </div> <div>Best,</div> <div> </div> <div>Donovan<BR><BR><B><I>Carl Westberg <carlwestberg846@hotmail.com></I></B> wrote:</div> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">I very recently read an article about dog fighting and how easy it is, in <BR>rural areas, to conduct dog fights with very negligible risk of being <BR>caught. Set it up deep in the woods, send out lookouts miles away to give <BR>ample warning. Unfortunately, if our legislators need hard evidence, merely <BR>because it hasn't been found doesn't mean the ugly problem does not exist in <BR>our state. 48 other states have figured it out. There is no doubt an <BR>element that thinks "what the hell, they're only dogs". I feel sorry for <BR>those people. Thank you, Mr. Trail, for your efforts. Carl Westberg
Jr.<BR><BR><BR>>From: "Tom Hansen" <THANSEN@MOSCOW.COM><BR>>To: "'Tom Trail'" <TTRAIL@MOSCOW.COM><BR>>CC: <CARLWESTBERG846@HOTMAIL.COM><BR>>Subject: RE: Re: [Vision2020] Daily News: "OUR VIEW: Dog fights have no <BR>>placeinsociety"<BR>>Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 16:50:19 -0700<BR>><BR>>Rep Trail -<BR>><BR>>It is apparent by your response that mere articles and/or photos will not<BR>>shame legislators into taking the high ground on this matter.<BR>><BR>>As far as witnesses are concerned, I am afraid that you would almost have <BR>>to<BR>>force somebody that is already active in dog fighting to "roll over" on<BR>>other dog fighting participants. As long as the penalty amounts to nothing<BR>>more than a six-month jail term and giving up their lunch money, the threat<BR>>of prosecution will not force a potential witness' hand. Couple that with <BR>>a<BR>>legislature that doesn't even feel it necessary to require criminal
checks<BR>>on potential day care center employees and you have a recipe for a dog<BR>>fighting haven.<BR>><BR>>Certainly there is something we here in Moscow can do to help.<BR>><BR>>Tom Hansen<BR>>Moscow, Idaho<BR>><BR>>"Don't tell my why I can't.<BR>>Show me how I can."<BR>><BR>>- Author Unknown<BR>><BR>>-----Original Message-----<BR>>From: Tom Trail [mailto:ttrail@moscow.com]<BR>>Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 3:31 PM<BR>>To: thansen@moscow.com<BR>>Subject: Fwd: Re: [Vision2020] Daily News: "OUR VIEW: Dog fights have no<BR>>placeinsociety"<BR>><BR>>Tom I'll be working with the PNW Humane Society to try and get the<BR>>dog/gamecock felony penalty introduced again this next session. We have<BR>>the support from Bill Thompson who is the President of the Idaho State<BR>>Prosecutors Association. Frankly to convince the hard headed legislators<BR>>we need hard evidence that dog fighting exists in Idaho--a
witness, etc.<BR>>We haven't been able to come up with this in four years. We have lots of<BR>>evidence on the game cock arena.<BR>><BR>>Rep. Tom Trail<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> >X-From_: vision2020-bounces@moscow.com Tue May 29 15:17:06 2007<BR>> >From: "Tom Hansen" <THANSEN@MOSCOW.COM><BR>> >To: "'Carl Westberg'" <CARLWESTBERG846@HOTMAIL.COM>,<BR>><VISION2020@MOSCOW.COM><BR>> >Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 15:16:10 -0700<BR>> >Thread-Index: AceiPDHDscunW4ERRUis7KoxQt62fQAAjvEg<BR>> >X-pstn-levels: (S:99.90000/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:97.0282 <BR>>C:98.6951<BR>>)<BR>> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Daily News: "OUR VIEW: Dog fights have no<BR>> > placeinsociety"<BR>> >X-BeenThere: vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> >List-Id: Moscow/Latah county community discussion list<BR>><VISION2020.MOSCOW.COM><BR>> >List-Unsubscribe: <HTTP: vision2020 listinfo mailman mailman.fsr.com>,<BR>> >
<mailto:vision2020-request@moscow.com?subject=unsubscribe><BR>> >List-Archive: <HTTP: vision2020 mailman.fsr.com pipermail><BR>> >List-Post: <mailto:vision2020@moscow.com><BR>> >List-Help: <mailto:vision2020-request@moscow.com?subject=help><BR>> >List-Subscribe: <HTTP: vision2020 listinfo mailman mailman.fsr.com>,<BR>> > <mailto:vision2020-request@moscow.com?subject=subscribe><BR>> >Sender: vision2020-bounces@moscow.com<BR>> >X-pstn-levels: (S:99.90000/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108<BR>> >M:97.0282 C:98.6951 )<BR>> ><BR>> >Carl et al -<BR>> ><BR>> >Rep Tom Trail has been campaigning for the past few years to increase dog<BR>> >fighting to a felony. I have sent him article after article depicting <BR>>how<BR>> >these animals are mistreated and how (after they have outlived their<BR>> >usefulness) they are simply tossed out into the Idaho wilderness, often<BR>>with<BR>> >their
brains fried on gun powder and missing a limb.<BR>> ><BR>> >Perhaps we should push for it locally as well.<BR>> ><BR>> >How about it, Carl? Care to join me off-list and get this party started?<BR>> ><BR>> >Tom Hansen<BR>> >Moscow, Idaho<BR>> ><BR>> >-----Original Message-----<BR>> >From: vision2020-bounces@moscow.com <BR>>[mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com]<BR>> >On Behalf Of Carl Westberg<BR>> >Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 2:56 PM<BR>> >To: vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Daily News: "OUR VIEW: Dog fights have no<BR>> >placeinsociety"<BR>> ><BR>> >If any good can come of the Michael Vick story, it focuses our attention <BR>>of<BR>> >what, according to experts, is a far more pervasive problem than we know.<BR>> >If you can stomach it, Sports Illustrated has a lengthy, if disturbing<BR>>story<BR>> ><BR>> >on the dog
fighting operation that Michael Vick is almost certainly<BR>>involved<BR>> ><BR>> >in:<BR>> >http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/nfl/05/29/vick0604/index.htm<BR>>l<BR>> ><BR>> > Why is dog fighting not a felony in Idaho? Carl Westberg Jr.<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> >>From: "Saundra Lund" <SSLUND@ROADRUNNER.COM><BR>> >>To: <VISION2020@MOSCOW.COM><BR>> >>Subject: [Vision2020] Daily News: "OUR VIEW: Dog fights have no place<BR>> >>insociety"<BR>> >>Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 14:49:13 -0700<BR>> >><BR>> >>Visionaries:<BR>> >><BR>> >>The following editorial appears in today's Moscow-Pullman Daily News.<BR>> >><BR>> >>As an aside, I served on the City of Moscow's Animal (Care and) Control<BR>> >>Task<BR>> >>Force in 2005, and I was shocked to find out from Lori Freeman from the<BR>> >>Humane Society of the
Palouse (HSOP) that we have dog fighting right <BR>>here<BR>> >>in<BR>> >>Latah County :-( Unlike the example of Virginia in the editorial, <BR>>Idaho<BR>> >>CONTINUES to be one of only eight states, IIRC, lacking any felony<BR>> >>provision<BR>> >>for animal cruelty, no matter how heinous the cruelty :-(<BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >>Saundra Lund<BR>> >>Moscow, ID<BR>> >><BR>> >>The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to <BR>>do<BR>> >>nothing.<BR>> >>- Edmund Burke<BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >>"OUR VIEW: Dog fights have no place in society<BR>> >>By Doug Bauer, for the editorial board<BR>> >>May 29, 2007<BR>> >><BR>> >>Brutality is as common in the world of sports as home runs and <BR>>touchdowns.<BR>> >>In some instances, such as ultimate fighting and even
NASCAR, it's the<BR>> > >primary reason many choose to watch the sport.<BR>> >><BR>> >>Dog fighting is a far different animal - no pun intended.<BR>> >><BR>> >>The canines are pitted against one another in a battle that is bloody,<BR>> >>inhumane and often deadly.<BR>> >><BR>> >>There is absolutely nothing sporting about that.<BR>> >><BR>> >>Police in Virginia are investigating whether Atlanta Falcons quarterback<BR>> >>Michael Vick was part of what appears to be an organized dog-fighting<BR>>ring.<BR>> >>Dogs and equipment associated with dog fighting were seized from a home<BR>> >>owned by the NFL star earlier this year.<BR>> >><BR>> >>Vick has denied any involvement, blaming relatives for taking advantage <BR>>of<BR>> >>his generosity and insisting he's rarely at the house, even though he's<BR>>the<BR>>
>>owner.<BR>> >><BR>> >>Surry County Commonwealth Attorney Gerald Poindexter has said as many as<BR>> >>six<BR>> >>to 10 people could be involved. Dog fighting is a felony in Virginia.<BR>> >><BR>> >>"I'm convinced from what I saw that dog fighting has occurred down <BR>>there,<BR>> >>but who was involved in it I don't know at this point," said Poindexter,<BR>> >>noting that he saw what looked like blood splatters in a room over a<BR>> >>garage.<BR>> >><BR>> >>The splatters were the "most suggestive evidence of dog fighting," he<BR>> >>added.<BR>> >>"There were blood splatters, and somebody would have to explain to me <BR>>how<BR>> >>you draw blood in the normal training of pit bulls."<BR>> >><BR>> >>You don't.<BR>> >><BR>> >>Dogs are commonly referred to as man's best friend. Those who take part
<BR>>in<BR>> >>dog fighting - at any level - are hardly reciprocating that friendship.<BR>> >><BR>> >>Dogs that are forced to fight one another don't get a posh retirement<BR>>party<BR>> >>when their fighting days are done. Many eventually are euthanized, <BR>>either<BR>> >>due to their injuries or because they're too aggressive.<BR>> >><BR>> >>Some are put down simply because they're poor fighters.<BR>> >><BR>> >>Vick plays in an arena where opposing fans cheer for his demise. They <BR>>want<BR>> >>to see him harassed, chased and sacked - maybe even injured.<BR>> >><BR>> >>He's paid a great deal of money for his efforts, and he usually gets up<BR>> >>after he's been taken down.<BR>> >><BR>> >>Neither can be said of the so-called sport police believe has been<BR>> >>occurring<BR>> >>at his home."<BR>>
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