<DIV>Why should Bush leave? The Democrats obviously agree with him or do whatever he wishes. If it isn't obvious to people by now let me spell it out for you; We are in Iraq for a long time. We ain't going nowhere. The Republicans support it, the Democrats support it. There is nobody else in our political party system to vote for to stop it. Therefore, we are staying. Bush is President, and the Democratic Party's backbone is as soft as a wet soggy noodle. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It doesn't matter if we stay or leave Iraqi at this late date, the consequences of withdraw are just as nasty and negative as the consequences if we stay. It is like a goat with his head stuck between the fence poles, breaking its neck or leaving it in are the only two options. The only smart thing to do was not to stick our heads in Iraq in the first place. This what the smarter 25% said in 2003. Now, four years later, you are complaining about the action
and trying to blame someone other than the 3/4 of the US population that insisted we remove Saddam for his involvement in 911 and WMDs we knew he didn't have, and without a viable leadership alternative to maintain control of a major nation in the center or Middle East. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The US broke the balance of power in Iraq, and thus the entire Middle East. If the US withdraws than Iran will easily cease control of eastern Iraq and Baghdad, it will develop nuclear weapons within 6 years, and become the most powerful nation in the Middle East controlling a huge portion of the world's oil supply. If the US stays in Iraq it will not end the civil war there, but it will prevent Iran from taking over parts of Iraq, slow down its development of nuclear weapons, and keep Iran from controlling such a huge percentage of the world's oil supply. Those are our options. You cannot withdraw, put your head in the sand, and pretend that this will all go
away and we didn't really mess everything up by killing Saddam with no leadership alternative. We have to maintain control in the Middle East or face a lot more problems than $5 a gallon at the fuel pump. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Best,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Donovan</DIV> <DIV><BR><BR><B><I>nickgier@adelphia.net</I></B> wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Will the Iraqis stand for a permanent South-Korea-like occupation? <BR><BR>GOP Congressman are obviously pressuring Bush: they will lose big in 2008 if the <BR>troops do not start coming home. <BR><BR>Nick Gier, supporting the troops but against this horrible war<BR><BR>The New York Times <BR><BR>May 26, 2007 <BR>White House Is Said to Debate ’08 Cut in Iraq Troops by 50% <BR>By DAVID E. SANGER and DAVID S. CLOUD <BR><BR>WASHINGTON, May 25 — The Bush administration is developing what are described as
<BR>concepts for reducing American combat forces in Iraq by as much as half next <BR>year, according to senior administration officials in the midst of the internal <BR>debate. <BR><BR>It is the first indication that growing political pressure is forcing the White <BR>House to turn its attention to what happens after the current troop increase <BR>runs its course. <BR><BR>The concepts call for a reduction in forces that could lower troop levels by the <BR>midst of the 2008 presidential election to roughly 100,000, from about 146,000, <BR>the latest available figure, which the military reported on May 1. They would <BR>also greatly scale back the mission that President Bush set for the American <BR>military when he ordered it in January to win back control of Baghdad and Anbar <BR>Province. <BR><BR>The mission would instead focus on the training of Iraqi troops and fighting Al <BR>Qaeda in Mesopotamia, while removing Americans from many of the <BR>counterinsurgency efforts
inside Baghdad. <BR><BR>Still, there is no indication that Mr. Bush is preparing to call an early end to <BR>the current troop increase, and one reason officials are talking about their <BR>long-range strategy may be to blunt pressure from members of Congress, including <BR>some Republicans, who are pushing for a more rapid troop reduction. <BR><BR>The officials declined to be quoted for attribution because they were discussing <BR>internal deliberations that they expected to evolve over several months. <BR><BR>Officials say proponents of reducing the troops and scaling back their mission <BR>next year appear to include Secretary of Defense Robert M. Gates and Secretary <BR>of State Condoleezza Rice. They have been joined by generals at the Pentagon and <BR>elsewhere who have long been skeptical that the Iraqi government would use the <BR>opportunity created by the troop increase to reach genuine political <BR>accommodations. <BR><BR>So far, the concepts are entirely a
creation of Washington and have been <BR>developed without the involvement of the top commanders in Iraq, Gen. David H. <BR>Petraeus and Lt. Gen. Raymond T. Odierno, both of whom have been enthusiastic <BR>supporters of the troop increase. <BR><BR>Those generals and other commanders have made it clear that they are operating <BR>on a significantly slower clock than officials in Washington, who are eager for <BR>significant withdrawals before the president leaves office in January 2009. <BR><BR>In an interview in Baghdad on Thursday, General Odierno, the senior United <BR>States ground commander, said any withdrawal of American troops was not <BR>advisable until December, “at a minimum.” <BR><BR>Even then, he said, redeployments should be carried out slowly, to avoid <BR>jeopardizing security gains. <BR><BR>General Odierno, who has pushed for extending the troop increase into next year, <BR>noted that units were in place or available to continue that effort through next
<BR>April. <BR><BR>But the ideas under discussion, from the National Security Council to the <BR>Pentagon, envision reductions beginning well before then. The last time American <BR>troop levels in Iraq were anywhere near 100,000 was in January 2004, when they <BR>fell briefly to about 108,000. <BR><BR>One of the ideas, officials say, would be to reduce the current 20 American <BR>combat brigades to about 10, which would be completed between the spring of 2008 <BR>and the end of the year. <BR><BR>Several administration officials said they hoped that if such a reduction were <BR>under way in the midst of the presidential campaign, it would shift the debate <BR>from whether American forces should be pulled out by a specific deadline — the <BR>current argument consuming Washington — to what kind of long-term presence the <BR>United States should have in Iraq. <BR><BR>“It stems from a recognition that the current level of forces aren’t sustainable <BR>in Iraq, they
aren’t sustainable in the region, and they will be increasingly <BR>unsustainable here at home,” said one administration official who has taken part <BR>in the closed-door discussions. <BR><BR>Rest of article deleted.<BR><BR>=======================================================<BR>List services made available by First Step Internet, <BR>serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <BR>http://www.fsr.net <BR>mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<BR>=======================================================</BLOCKQUOTE><BR><p> 
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