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<DIV>I have not seen a copy of Weitz's lawsuit nor researched any appropriate
related law. I have read the <EM>DN</EM> and <EM>LMT</EM> accounts.
However, my confidence in the accuracy of their reporting on this matter is
about the same as my confidence in the accuracy of their reporting on the latest
advances in limnology.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>That said, in the discussions so far on V 2020, there has been an
incredible amount of gross ignorance exhibited by certain parties. For
example, though the following issue does not speak to the legal merits of
Weitz's action, it never-the-less presented an opportunity for two
bitterness-consumed posters to expose their elementary cluelessness.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Gary Crabtree wrote:</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT face=Arial size=2>"In response to Donovan and his
comment "</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>If teachers have to
go, it should be the ones that perform worst. <STRONG><FONT size=4>That is the
way the real world works.</FONT></STRONG>" <FONT face=Arial size=2>The real
world and the world where teachers unions exist do not even share the same
time/space continuum."</FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>There are so many errors in these two sentences that it is beyond the time
limits given my advanced age to expose them adequately.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>First of all, layoffs "in the <FONT color=#0000ff>real world</FONT>" are
quite complicated and in many businesses (which I assume unfettered
free-enterprise proponent Crabtree is referring to as the <FONT
color=#0000ff>"real world"</FONT> as usual), it is <STRONG>not</STRONG> legally
possible to lay off <FONT color=#0000ff>"the ones that perform worse"
</FONT>even if the "worst ones" could be objectively identified.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The manner, order, and choices in layoffs in the United States are
determined by direct contract agreements (as in a union contract, for example),
by an implied contract in the form of a written personnel policy, by applicable
laws and case law, and/or by other considerations and restrictions.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>In most union shops, layoff order, by contract, is determined by seniority
within department with seniority bumping rights into any other position in any
other department for which an employee is qualified. Most large
non-unionized corporations follow approximately the same procedure. Except
in "at will" states like Idaho and where in a particular situation no real or
implied employee contract exists, employees have acquired <STRONG>property
</STRONG>rights in their work positions, and hence are entitled to all the legal
protections that adhere to such rights. Additionally, many states have
laws whose provisions impact the how and who of layoffs. Certain federal
laws also impact layoff decisions.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I have had experience in this field as a non-management employee in
companies going through layoffs, as a member of the management team in similar
situations, and as a consultant helping businesses optimally and correctly
navigate the complicated waters of a layoff. During the two mid-eastern
oil crises in the 1970s, there was a plethora of companies that were forced by
practical business consideration to make both temporary and permanent work force
reductions. I was employed by three and gave consulting help to
several others.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>You needn't take my word for the above complexities of layoffs.
Googling "layoff law" or "layoff procedure" will present many opportunities
to learn.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>There is also the problem of identifying who the worst performers in any
organization are. How do you tell? What objective criteria are to be
applied in this decision? How do you tell if these criteria are
valid? And whose fault is it when an employee is not performing as
expected?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Before we get evasions from disagreers, here's are some words about the
single issue addressed in this post: I am <STRONG>not</STRONG> saying
there are not some poor performers in the MSD or that the MSD layoff procedures
are perfect.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Here's what I am saying. <STRONG> "In the <FONT color=#0000ff>real
world</FONT>" except in small companies without employee contracts in "at will"
states layoffs seldom, if ever, achieve laying off the worst performers, nor can
they even accomplish this due to legal restrictions and other
considerations.</STRONG> Those that maintain the myth the "layoff the
worst performers" such can be accomplished are either ignorant, delusional,
or lying phonies.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Since Donovan's experience in the real world, especially in the world of
enterprise, seems to be limited as witnessed by his many witless statements, and
given his propensity for making a wedding gown and six bridesmaid's dress from a
mote of lint, few will take him seriously on this or other
issues. Except in cases where his ignorance is likely to mislead some
who are not familiar with a given topic, it is counterproductive to even
respond to his self-satisfying, substitute masturbatory, bitter
posts. His problem is between himself and his alienist.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>However, with Gary things are a bit different. He has presented
himself as a freedom loving libertarian and a champion of free enterprise, and
has allied himself of others of similar mind like Dale Courtney. If one is
to champion free enterprise, one ought exhibit at least some fundamental
understanding of how it currently works, instead of exhibiting abysmal
ignorance. He an Donovan now make a set of two posters where fantasy,
bitterness, and evasion are their stock in trade instead of facts and
reason based discourse.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I repeat (more or less) from before:</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><FONT face=Verdana size=3>When it comes to
political or ideological viewpoints, there has yet to be developed a reliable,
agreed upon method to separate the true from the false (if that is even
possible). Such things are always subject to debate at this point, but
sometimes progress toward mutual agreement is made. Misleading ruses,
absurdities, evasions, ignorance, egoism, obtuseness, stubbornness, lack of
courage, etc obscure and stifle rather than forward progress
toward agreement in these areas. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><FONT face=Verdana
size=3></FONT> </DIV></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><BR>Wayne A. Fox<BR>1009 Karen Lane<BR>PO Box 9421<BR>Moscow, ID
83843</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>(208) 882-7975<BR><A
href="mailto:waf@moscow.com">waf@moscow.com</A><BR></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=jampot@adelphia.net href="mailto:jampot@adelphia.net">g. crabtree</A>
</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=jampot@adelphia.net
href="mailto:jampot@adelphia.net">g. crabtree</A> ; <A
title=the_ivies3@yahoo.com href="mailto:the_ivies3@yahoo.com">Tom Ivie</A> ; <A
title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 08, 2007 6:34 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] What about the kids? (was Weitz
isacivicterrorist??</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Actually, after giving the Big Deals program a
little more thought I do see a way it could be turned into an effective teaching
tool. Take the entire MSD operating budget (include federal monies as well as
funds for boondoggles such as Head Start, DARE, USDA school lunch programs,
Diversity training, etc. Every nickel spent directly or indirectly on education)
and divide it up equally amongst all the youth in the district and
then let them take it where they will get the most bang for their buck. St.
Mary's, Logos or back home to their parents. Those who feel that MSD is the
pinnacle of education can take it there and receive their kickback.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>In response to Donovan and his comment "<FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3>If teachers have to go, it should be the
ones that perform worst. That is the way the real world works." <FONT face=Arial
size=2>The real world and the world where teachers unions exist do not even
share the same time/space continuum. In NEA/IEA land deadwood floats,
administration bloats, and union officials gloat. There only connection to the
world you and I live in is through the pipeline we pass them a large and ever
increasing portion of our paychecks.</FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>g</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
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<A title=jampot@adelphia.net href="mailto:jampot@adelphia.net">g. crabtree</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=the_ivies3@yahoo.com
href="mailto:the_ivies3@yahoo.com">Tom Ivie</A> ; <A
title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 08, 2007 5:28 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] What about the
kids? (was Weitz is acivicterrorist??</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>No more "Big Deals (a quarterly incentive program used by some
teachers to encourage good behavior, performance, etc."</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>What? So not only do I have to fork
over my hard earned to pay for teachers and too many administrators but now I
also have to pay to keep kids in the seats via a monetary pay out also
commonly referred to as a bribe? When did this become an effective teaching
tool? Apparently the MSD employees won't be happy till they get the class
sizes down to four per teacher and the quartet that shows up is paid
a living wage. Enough already!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>g</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=the_ivies3@yahoo.com href="mailto:the_ivies3@yahoo.com">Tom
Ivie</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 08, 2007 3:20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] What about
the kids? (was Weitz is a civicterrorist??</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>It also has required the school district to freeze all
funds. That means no field trips, Big Deals (a quarterly incentive
program used by some teachers to encourage good behavior, performance,
etc.), and no contracts for teachers with 1-3 yrs experience. Luckily,
the school district's lawyer is from the firm that has written the book on
education law in Idaho, literally; The Law of Education in Idaho by
Anderson, Julian & Hull, LLP. Unfortunately, it negatively affects
the kids NOW. Any donation to your local public school or class of
choice would probably be well accepted for those end of the year
activities. <BR><BR>Something else that concerns me is that the three
names that have been cited in connection with this attack on our school
district (Jerry Weitz, Jim Demeeleer, and Brian Thie) are all listed on the
"leadership" of the Greater Moscow Alliance. Does this action
represent the "Alliance" or is it just a coincidence. I would add that
I would be just as critical or at least question it if the same happened in
regards with the Moscow Civic Association. I don't happen to be a
member of either group. They say that business and politics don't
mix. There is a good reason; you can lose business!<BR><BR><B><I>Bill
London <london@moscow.com></I></B> wrote:
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>G-</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>your question: "<FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3>If Dr. Weitz's claim has no legal merit, then why would MSD have
any concern?"</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>my response: a huge amount of administrative time and a sizable chunk
of money (as in paid by local taxes to the district) will have to be used
to fight this suit. Of course the district, and its patrons, are
concerned.</DIV>
<DIV>BL</DIV>
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<A title=vpschwaller@gmail.com href="mailto:vpschwaller@gmail.com">Glenn
Schwaller</A> </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>To:</B>
<A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>Sent:</B>
Tuesday, May 08, 2007 2:10 PM</DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>Subject:</B>
[Vision2020] Weitz is a civic terrorist?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Ms. Emerinemix,<BR><BR>I don't know if there is any merit
to Dr. Weitz's claim. I believe that the foundation for any
argument is "is this position valid?" With something as
complex and potentially dangerous and damaging as the illlegality of a
tax-based ballot measure, I have no problem with someone questions its
validity. Dr. Weitz has wisely chosen to use the law to determine
if his claim has merit. Many will discount this as "frivolity" and
cite a laundry list of reasons based on gut-wrenching emotion (oh the
poor kids! The poor teachers! The poor administration!) and
avoid considering a more insidious outcome of allowing a group to
unfairly and inappropriately tax the public for whatever it is they want
(be it schools, roads, parks, athletic centers). This potentially
could set a precedence by which any group could do the same thing.
If Dr. Weitz's claim has no legal merit, then why would MSD have any
concern? I for one would rather see the law surrounding this issue
clearly delineated than to see some other, possibly more unsavory group,
use the same tactics to fund their particular
interest.<BR><BR>Schwaller<BR><BR>"The bigger they are, the harder they
fall on you"<BR> Mark Knopfler<BR>
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<DIV>I have not seen a copy of Weitz's lawsuit nor researched any appropriate
related law. I have read the <EM>DN</EM> and <EM>LMT</EM> accounts.
However, my confidence in the accuracy of their reporting on this matter is
about the same as my confidence in the accuracy of their reporting on the latest
advances in limnology.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>That said, in the discussions so far on V 2020, there has been an
incredible amount of gross ignorance exhibited by certain parties. For
example, though the following issue does not speak to the legal merits of
Weitz's action, it never-the-less presented an opportunity for two
bitterness-consumed posters to expose their elementary cluelessness.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Gary Crabtree wrote:</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT face=Arial size=2>"In response to Donovan and his
comment "</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>If teachers have to
go, it should be the ones that perform worst. <STRONG><FONT size=4>That is the
way the real world works.</FONT></STRONG>" <FONT face=Arial size=2>The real
world and the world where teachers unions exist do not even share the same
time/space continuum."</FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>There are so many errors in these two sentences that it is beyond the time
limits given my advanced age to expose them.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>First of all, layoffs "in the real world" are quite complicated and in many
businesses (which I assume unfettered free-enterprise proponent Crabtree is
referring to as usual), it is <STRONG>not</STRONG> legally possible to lay off
<FONT color=#0000ff>"the ones that perform worse" </FONT>even if the "worst
ones" could be objectively identified.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The manner, order, and choices in layoffs are determined by direct
contract agreements (as in a union contract, for example), by an implied
contract in the form of a written personnel policy, by applicable laws and case
law, and/or by other considerations and restrictions.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>In most union shops, layoff order by contract is determined by seniority
within department with seniority bumping rights into any other position in any
other department for which an employee is qualified. Most large
non-unionized corporations follow approximately the same procedure. Except
in "at will" states like Idaho and where in a particular situation no real or
implied employee contract exists, employees have acquired <STRONG>property
</STRONG>rights in their work positions, and hence are entitled to all the legal
protections that adhere to such rights. Additionally, many states have
laws whose provisions impact the how and who of layoffs.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I have had experience in this field as a non-management employee in
companies going through layoffs, as a member of the management team in similar
situations, and as a consultant helping businesses optimally and correctly
navigate the complicated waters of a layoff. During the two mid-eastern
oil crises in the 1970s, there was a plethora of companies that were forced by
practical business consideration to make both temporary and permanent work force
reductions. I was employed by three and gave consulting help to
several others.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>You needn't take my word for the above complexities of layoffs.
Googling "layoff law" or "layoff procedure" will present many opportunities
to learn.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>There is also the problem of identifying who the worst performers in any
organization are. How do you tell? What objective criteria are to be
applied in this decision? How do you tell if these criteria are
valid? And whose fault is it when an employee is not performing as
expected?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Before we get evasions from disagreers, here's are some words about the
single issue addressed in this post: I am <STRONG>not</STRONG> saying
there are not some poor performers in the MSD or that the MSD layoff procedures
are perfect.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Here's what I am saying. <STRONG> "In the <FONT color=#0000ff>real
world</FONT>" except in small companies without employee contracts in "at will"
states layoffs seldom, if ever, achieve laying off the worst performers, nor can
they even accomplish this due to legal restrictions and other
considerations.</STRONG> Those that maintain the myth the "layoff the
worst performers" such can be accomplished are either ignorant, delusional,
or lying phonies.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Since Donovan's experience in the real world, especially in the world of
enterprise, seems to be limited as witnessed by his witless statements, and
given his propensity for making a wedding gown and six bridesmaid's dress from a
mote of lint, few will take him seriously on this or other
issues. Except in cases where his ignorance is likely to mislead some
who are not familiar with a given topic, it is counterproductive to even
respond to his self-satisfying, substitute masturbatory, bitter
posts. His problem is between himself and his alienist.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>However, with Gary things are a bit different. He has presented
himself as a freedom loving libertarian and a champion of free enterprise and
allied himself of others of similar mind like Dale Courtney. If one is to
champion free enterprise, one ought exhibit at least some fundamental
understanding of how it currently works, instead of exhibiting abysmal
ignorance. He an Donovan now make a set of two posters where fantasy,
bitterness, and evasion are their stock in trade instead of facts and
reason based discourse.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I repeat from before:</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><FONT face=Verdana size=3>When it comes to
political or ideological viewpoints, there has yet to be developed a method to
separate the true from the false (if that is even possible). Such things
are always subject to debate at this point, but sometimes progress toward mutual
agreement is made. Misleading ruses, absurdities, evasions, [add
ignorance], etc obscure and stifle rather than forward progress toward
agreement in these areas. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><FONT face=Verdana
size=3></FONT> </DIV></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><BR>Wayne A. Fox<BR>1009 Karen Lane<BR>PO Box 9421<BR>Moscow, ID
83843</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>(208) 882-7975<BR><A
href="mailto:waf@moscow.com">waf@moscow.com</A><BR></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----
<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=jampot@adelphia.net href="mailto:jampot@adelphia.net">g. crabtree</A>
</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=jampot@adelphia.net
href="mailto:jampot@adelphia.net">g. crabtree</A> ; <A
title=the_ivies3@yahoo.com href="mailto:the_ivies3@yahoo.com">Tom Ivie</A> ; <A
title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 08, 2007 6:34 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] What about the kids? (was Weitz
isacivicterrorist??</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Actually, after giving the Big Deals program a
little more thought I do see a way it could be turned into an effective teaching
tool. Take the entire MSD operating budget (include federal monies as well as
funds for boondoggles such as Head Start, DARE, USDA school lunch programs,
Diversity training, etc. Every nickel spent directly or indirectly on education)
and divide it up equally amongst all the youth in the district and
then let them take it where they will get the most bang for their buck. St.
Mary's, Logos or back home to their parents. Those who feel that MSD is the
pinnacle of education can take it there and receive their kickback.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>In response to Donovan and his comment "<FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3>If teachers have to go, it should be the
ones that perform worst. That is the way the real world works." <FONT face=Arial
size=2>The real world and the world where teachers unions exist do not even
share the same time/space continuum. In NEA/IEA land deadwood floats,
administration bloats, and union officials gloat. There only connection to the
world you and I live in is through the pipeline we pass them a large and ever
increasing portion of our paychecks.</FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>g</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=jampot@adelphia.net href="mailto:jampot@adelphia.net">g. crabtree</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=the_ivies3@yahoo.com
href="mailto:the_ivies3@yahoo.com">Tom Ivie</A> ; <A
title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 08, 2007 5:28 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] What about the
kids? (was Weitz is acivicterrorist??</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>No more "Big Deals (a quarterly incentive program used by some
teachers to encourage good behavior, performance, etc."</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>What? So not only do I have to fork
over my hard earned to pay for teachers and too many administrators but now I
also have to pay to keep kids in the seats via a monetary pay out also
commonly referred to as a bribe? When did this become an effective teaching
tool? Apparently the MSD employees won't be happy till they get the class
sizes down to four per teacher and the quartet that shows up is paid
a living wage. Enough already!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>g</FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=the_ivies3@yahoo.com href="mailto:the_ivies3@yahoo.com">Tom
Ivie</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 08, 2007 3:20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] What about
the kids? (was Weitz is a civicterrorist??</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>It also has required the school district to freeze all
funds. That means no field trips, Big Deals (a quarterly incentive
program used by some teachers to encourage good behavior, performance,
etc.), and no contracts for teachers with 1-3 yrs experience. Luckily,
the school district's lawyer is from the firm that has written the book on
education law in Idaho, literally; The Law of Education in Idaho by
Anderson, Julian & Hull, LLP. Unfortunately, it negatively affects
the kids NOW. Any donation to your local public school or class of
choice would probably be well accepted for those end of the year
activities. <BR><BR>Something else that concerns me is that the three
names that have been cited in connection with this attack on our school
district (Jerry Weitz, Jim Demeeleer, and Brian Thie) are all listed on the
"leadership" of the Greater Moscow Alliance. Does this action
represent the "Alliance" or is it just a coincidence. I would add that
I would be just as critical or at least question it if the same happened in
regards with the Moscow Civic Association. I don't happen to be a
member of either group. They say that business and politics don't
mix. There is a good reason; you can lose business!<BR><BR><B><I>Bill
London <london@moscow.com></I></B> wrote:
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>G-</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>your question: "<FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3>If Dr. Weitz's claim has no legal merit, then why would MSD have
any concern?"</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>my response: a huge amount of administrative time and a sizable chunk
of money (as in paid by local taxes to the district) will have to be used
to fight this suit. Of course the district, and its patrons, are
concerned.</DIV>
<DIV>BL</DIV>
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<A title=vpschwaller@gmail.com href="mailto:vpschwaller@gmail.com">Glenn
Schwaller</A> </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>To:</B>
<A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>Sent:</B>
Tuesday, May 08, 2007 2:10 PM</DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>Subject:</B>
[Vision2020] Weitz is a civic terrorist?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Ms. Emerinemix,<BR><BR>I don't know if there is any merit
to Dr. Weitz's claim. I believe that the foundation for any
argument is "is this position valid?" With something as
complex and potentially dangerous and damaging as the illlegality of a
tax-based ballot measure, I have no problem with someone questions its
validity. Dr. Weitz has wisely chosen to use the law to determine
if his claim has merit. Many will discount this as "frivolity" and
cite a laundry list of reasons based on gut-wrenching emotion (oh the
poor kids! The poor teachers! The poor administration!) and
avoid considering a more insidious outcome of allowing a group to
unfairly and inappropriately tax the public for whatever it is they want
(be it schools, roads, parks, athletic centers). This potentially
could set a precedence by which any group could do the same thing.
If Dr. Weitz's claim has no legal merit, then why would MSD have any
concern? I for one would rather see the law surrounding this issue
clearly delineated than to see some other, possibly more unsavory group,
use the same tactics to fund their particular
interest.<BR><BR>Schwaller<BR><BR>"The bigger they are, the harder they
fall on you"<BR> Mark Knopfler<BR>
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