<DIV>"I have never given a fig if others agree with me or not, and I don’t need external affirmation to validate my beliefs, or prop up my sense of self-esteem."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Why would someone who truly believes what they wrote above create a website? If they don't care what others have to say or to hear them, why go through the trouble of creating a website? There is a big gap in logic here unless the author might believe only they have something intelligent and useful to offer. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>One thing that is nice about V2020 is that everyone is equal in the format. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Best,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Donovan <BR><BR><B><I>Saundra Lund <sslund@roadrunner.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Mr. Crabtree,<BR><BR>Here is an explanation that perhaps you *can* understand since
you don't<BR>seem to get it from what Rose apparently wrote to you "directly and<BR>personally":<BR><BR>"I welcome your comments, but this is a monitored website and I will not<BR>publish racist, sexist, homophobic, or anonymous remarks. If you won’t claim<BR>it, you don’t get to say it on my blog. Well, actually, I might publish some<BR>samples of dim-witted emails in order to expose the intellectual and moral<BR>defectives that, sadly, are not all together uncommon in this neck of the<BR>woods. I have never given a fig if others agree with me or not, and I don’t<BR>need external affirmation to validate my beliefs, or prop up my sense of<BR>self-esteem. However, I do expect responders to demonstrate civility,<BR>intelligence, integrity, and, it is to be hoped, an abundance of good humor.<BR>Please note: the comments section is not quite ready. I will alert readers<BR>as soon as it is. Thanks for your patience."<BR><BR>Is that any clearer for you??? I hope so!<BR><BR>Kudos
to Rose for not intending to allow the kind of hate-mongering Dale<BR>Courtney welcomes!<BR><BR><BR>Saundra Lund<BR>Moscow, ID<BR><BR>The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do<BR>nothing.<BR>- Edmund Burke<BR><BR>***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2006 through life plus<BR>70 years, Saundra Lund. Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside<BR>the Vision 2020 forum without the express written permission of the<BR>author.*****<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com]<BR>On Behalf Of g. crabtree<BR>Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 2:39 PM<BR>To: Art Deco; Vision 2020<BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] It's not "cyberstalking" unless you harass<BR>someone,<BR><BR>I stand (and without a walker no less!) by previously made remarks. Rose's<BR>site does not currently allow comments and she told me directly and<BR>personally that when they were allowed they
would be allowed only "within<BR>appropriate parameters" (note the quotation marks, her words not mine)<BR>Dale's site allows commentary and he does not censor the remarks that<BR>appear. When you or Keely make an unsupported assertion it does not<BR>automatically become exposure of lies, but you already knew that didn't you?<BR>I suspect you've been using these sorts of disingenuous tactics since the<BR>Smoot/Hawley debates when you were a somewhat younger crank.<BR><BR>g<BR><BR>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From: Art Deco <?xml:namespace prefix = mailto /><mailto:deco@moscow.com><BR>To: Vision 2020 <mailto:vision2020@moscow.com><BR>Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 12:51 PM<BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] It's not "cyberstalking" unless you harass<BR>someone,<BR><BR>Gary,<BR><BR>Keely has already exposed your lies about Courtney's the nature<BR>web-blots. I only view them when receiving a link from a local person or<BR>from the crackpot tracking service to which I subscribe.
You'd be surprised<BR>at how often your hero Cultmaster Wilson and his various toadies show up.<BR><BR>However, I take great, great offense at your statement:<BR><BR>"At your advanced age you shouldn't get so agitated."<BR><BR>I am only 350 or so in locksmith years.<BR><BR>W.<BR><BR><BR>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From: keely emerinemix <mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com><BR>To: g. crabtree <mailto:jampot@adelphia.net>; Art Deco<BR><mailto:deco@moscow.com>; Vision 2020 <mailto:vision2020@moscow.com><BR>Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 12:39 PM<BR>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] It's not "cyberstalking" unless you harass<BR>someone,<BR><BR>Ummm, hey? Gary? Rose's blog says she allows comments. Just not<BR>bigoted ones. She gets to decide.<BR><BR>Also, while we're on topic here, I can assure you, as someone<BR>slandered and mocked by Dale Courtney quite regularly over the last four<BR>years, his is not about news with a modicum of commentary. It's just nasty<BR>and snide, with a modicum of
respect for actual facts.<BR><BR>keely<BR><BR><BR><BR>________________________________<BR><BR>From: jampot@adelphia.net<BR>To: deco@moscow.com; vision2020@moscow.com<BR>Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 10:29:30 -0700<BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] It's not "cyberstalking" unless<BR>you harass someone,<BR><BR><BR>My goodness, Wayne all those years of bottled up spleen are<BR>certainly making themselves apparent in today's posting aren't they? (what<BR>is it now, 101? You don't look a day over 98 but you are a testament to the<BR>notion that old and grumpy do go hand in hand) Lets address your little<BR>hissy fit in the order that you excreted it.<BR><BR>You take me to task for the sentence:<BR><BR><BR>"Apparently it's more fun to simply broadcast your<BR>irrefutable wisdom to the world and not have to deal with the unpleasantness<BR>of actual debate."<BR><BR>Mr. Courtney's blog is a news/items of interest site with a<BR>modicum of commentary tossed in on the side. Not screeds and
lengthy<BR>personnel political rants. A greatly appreciated aspect to his using this<BR>format is that items of interest to him are not directed to and clogging up<BR>the greater groups inbox unlike certain others who shall remain nameless.<BR><BR>In my memory of Dale's posts to the V he did a fine job of<BR>expressing and defending his view points, as did Rose. The difference was<BR>that Dale was the lone mongoose in the viper pit and Rose sang with the<BR>choir. I perfectly understand how being the minority voice can become<BR>tiresome and, eventually, not worth the effort. In conversations I have had<BR>with Dale I have done my best, sorry as it is, to convince and encourage him<BR>to rejoin the fray. Lord knows I would enjoy an additional conservative<BR>voice here to help sing the counterpoint to the rest of ya'lls dreary dirge.<BR>Do I have "distain and censure" for Rose and her new endeavor? Not hardly,<BR>I'm not wild about the fact that it doesn't allow for
comments (as Dale's<BR>does) but I have been assured that this is but a temporary thing and will<BR>change "soon." I have been informed that comments must fall within<BR>"appropriate parameters" and this IS a type of censorship I'm not<BR>particularly fond of. I truly fail to see how anything I have posted might<BR>be construed as being in favor of limiting anyone's free expression. You<BR>seem to be laboring under the erroneous and fatuous assumption that Rose and<BR>I are enemies of some sort. Nothing could be further from the truth. We get<BR>on rather well, all things considered and I wish her nothing but the best in<BR>her latest whimsy and I hope that it doesn't suffer the same ignoble fate<BR>that lil' Joannie's did.<BR><BR>Whether I have "exhibited yourself for all to see as a<BR>phony" is for others to decide. What I have been trying to express is my<BR>contention that more light (and heat) is shed in an unmediated, unrestrained<BR>setting and that it's the venue
that I, personally prefer (even if it means<BR>having to endure silly fonts & unrestrained use of color) for hashing out<BR>the topics de jour as opposed to having to listen (read) someone hold forth<BR>ad nauseum.<BR><BR>Now hows about you have yourself a nice little nap and try<BR>and get a little more fiber in your diet and see if your cranky and<BR>constipated outlook don't take a remarkable turn for the better. At your<BR>advanced age you shouldn't get so agitated.<BR><BR>g<BR><BR>From: Art Deco <mailto:deco@moscow.com><BR>To: Vision 2020 <mailto:vision2020@moscow.com><BR>Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 10:57 AM<BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] It's not "cyberstalking"<BR>unless you harass someone,<BR><BR><BR>Well, Gary,<BR><BR>I am surprised that you have the stupidity to<BR>mention and to champion Dale Courtney's web-blots so soon after you wrote<BR>the following about Rose Huskey and others:<BR><BR>"Apparently it's more fun to simply broadcast your<BR>irrefutable wisdom
to the world and not have to deal with the unpleasantness<BR>of actual debate."<BR><BR>Are you too busy playing with your keys to see that<BR>Courtney runs his own web-blots in part because he was not able to<BR>effectively defend his positions on V 2020, and so that he may remove<BR>comments that he doesn't like, or remove comments that point out where he<BR>either misquotes, quotes out of context, or quotes incompletely to give the<BR>wrong impression. It's all right for Dale Courtney, but not for Rose<BR>Huskey?<BR><BR>Further, you pretended a few days ago to be<BR>staunchly anti-censorship and a true defender of freedom of speech<BR>"Censorship sucks" were your words. Now you express disdain and censure for<BR>those who dare, like your hero Courtney, to express themselves in a blog - a<BR>decidedly anti-free-expression position on your part.<BR><BR>You sir, have just exhibited yourself for all to see<BR>as a phony, whose writings express a desire to control what others
say and<BR>do almost as much as do the cultmaster's!<BR><BR><BR>Wayne A. Fox<BR>1009 Karen Lane<BR>PO Box 9421<BR>Moscow, ID 83843<BR><BR>(208) 882-7975<BR>waf@moscow.com<BR><BR>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From: g. crabtree <mailto:jampot@adelphia.net><BR>To: Tom Hansen <mailto:thansen@moscow.com>;<BR>heirdoug@netscape.net ; vision2020@moscow.com <BR>Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 7:28 AM<BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] It's not "cyberstalking"<BR>unless you harass someone,<BR><BR>I know I'm probably going to regret this but my<BR>curiosity is hopelessly piqued. Just exactly what action did you take that<BR>would serve as a shining example for others to emulate? Is it the thinly<BR>veiled vulgarities in your post? Is it maintaining a hate web site against a<BR>small local protestant congregation? Is it endlessly posting of news tidbits<BR>that you think should be of interest to others? Is it your tireless and<BR>constant monitoring of Dale Courtney's web site? I'd really
like to know<BR>what it is so I could thank you properly for your ongoing good works. (once<BR>their identified)<BR><BR>g<BR><BR>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From: Tom Hansen <mailto:thansen@moscow.com><BR><BR>To: heirdoug@netscape.net ;<BR>vision2020@moscow.com <BR>Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 5:44 AM<BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] It's not<BR>"cyberstalking" unless you harass someone,<BR><BR><BR>No-Clue –<BR><BR><BR><BR>You keep submitting gutless threats. Is<BR>that all there is to you? My guess is “Yes”.<BR><BR><BR><BR>I am going to repeat a comment I made to you<BR>a long time ago:<BR><BR><BR><BR>“SH*T OR GET THE HELL OFF THE POT!”<BR><BR><BR><BR>Loosely translated that means: Be a<BR>FRIGGIN’ man for once in your spineless, ignorantly childish life! Crawl<BR>out from under that rock of yours and DO SOMETHING. Either take action or<BR>SHUT the EFF UP!<BR><BR><BR><BR>I have set an example for you to follow when<BR>I took action in the past (and will continue to do so
in the future).<BR><BR><BR><BR>Jeesh!<BR><BR><BR><BR>Tom Hansen<BR><BR>Moscow, Idaho<BR><BR><BR><BR>“Uh, how about a 1-strike law. Death doesn't<BR>seem too extreme for a Level-3 sex offender.”<BR><BR>- Dale “Comb-Over” Courtney (August 3, 2005)<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>________________________________<BR><BR><BR>From: vision2020-bounces@moscow.com<BR>[mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com] On Behalf Of heirdoug@netscape.net<BR>Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 9:17 PM<BR>To: vision2020@moscow.com<BR>Subject: [Vision2020] It's not<BR>"cyberstalking" unless you harass someone,<BR><BR><BR><BR>And I quote, ".... course of conduct<BR>constitute an implied threat."<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Wow J.,<BR><BR><BR><BR>That would have to be the best example of<BR>point proving since Joan's "jack-boot-vasectomy-procedure" from many months<BR>past.<BR><BR><BR><BR>There is nothing like being the poster girl<BR>for the Intoleristas! Is there.<BR><BR>D.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>I'd tell
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