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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dear Cynthia,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I've been looking at the discussion about Third
Street and appreciate your interest! I hope that you will attend the City's Comp
Plan Rewrite Dialogue in your area tonight or tomorrow night (6 PM). If you need
to know the location, please call Merrilee Larsen at Community Development,
883-7035; she'll be glad to fill you in.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As to how comprehensive is 'comprehensive' for
planning purposes, the idea is that the plan covers everything (or most things!)
but not forever, in concrete. All kinds of things can change, including new
visions and values, new approaches to solving town and urban challenges, new
management techniques for land use and other aspects of the plan, and
greater citizen participation throughout the community in the planning process.
The 1999 Plan has many valuable aspects. Unfortunately, the 1999 Plan's
creation took seven years of 'catch-as-catch-can' work by staff and the
Planning Commission, as it updated a previous plan. We had some lively debate
over the Third Street designation but the Plan reflected a very auto-oriented
cirulation system.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Two years ago, the Council took the arterial
designation off the table because we wanted to review the entire circulation
system and emphasize multi-modal transportation options as we looked at the CIty
as whole, with a balancing of interests and trade offs against our
ultimate goals and aspirations as a community. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As the 2007 Comprehensive Plan Rewrite goes
forward, the transportation piece will be very important. Please join us in as
many forums as you can... your voice is appreciated and needed!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks again for writing to Vision
2020.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>All the best,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Linda Pall</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Moscow City Council</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>cc: Vision2020</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=cynthiann0@mac.com href="mailto:cynthiann0@mac.com">cynthia
nichols</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=the_ivies3@yahoo.com
href="mailto:the_ivies3@yahoo.com">Tom Ivie</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 01, 2007 5:17 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] 3rd St.
Pedestrian Bridge</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT><BR></DIV>Thank you for all your detailed
replies. I guess I was assuming that some day 3rd St. will continue on past
Mountain View--it certainly was supposed to in the last Comprehensive
Plan--at least I think so. I'm sure that eventually 3rd St. will go through
even though the Windfall development fell through--or am I wrong?
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<DIV>When I moved here, it seemed very clear that 3rd St. continuing on into
the Pullman Highway was always meant to be a main thoroughfare. It is VERY
wide near the creek, no narrower than 6th St. most of the way. Why oh why
should people have to drive up 3rd to Hayes, then go to 6th to get to Mountain
View? Seems kinda funny to me.</DIV>
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<DIV>I'm also curious to know which students will be crossing at that
pedestrian bridge. The elementary students who live on the east side of
mountain view go to MacDonald, right? And the Jr. High kids can cross at B or
D (D has the stop sign now), no?</DIV>
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<DIV>I'm VERY much for connecting neighborhoods. I personally believe that
EVERY development should be required to have easements to connect to other
neighborhoods. My husband & I walk our dog every day all over the place
(and we ride our bikes often too) and love to find places where cars
can't go. I guess I don't like the fact that people in a small niche of the
city could force a change, in 2006, in the 1999 comprehensive plan. I
mean if a comprehensive plan can be changed by complaint, it's not too
"comprehensive". And the city's writing another one as we speak. How
"comprehensive" will it be?</DIV>
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<DIV>By the way, when we ride our bikes, we go just as we do with a car. We
take 6th ST. which is quite wide and flat at Mountain View, to Blaine (also
flat and not congested in this section), north to 5th or 3rd, then 3rd the
rest of the way west. Kids riding would never have to get on Blaine because
they can use that wonderful right-of-way that cuts through across from the
funeral home on 6th.</DIV>
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<DIV>Thanks again for all your background.</DIV>
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<DIV>Cynthia</DIV>
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<DIV>On May 1, 2007, at 12:58 PM, Tom Ivie wrote:</DIV><BR
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<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Excellent point Donovan.<BR><BR>Michael Kyte,
Director of the National Institute for Advanced Transportation Technology
(NIATT) and member of the Transportation Research Board's Committee on
Highway Capacity and Quality of Service has timed the difference of the two
routes to be less than one minute. By putting in a vehicular bridge, a
driver would save less than one minute. <BR><BR>Third Street is the
flattest East/West Route and it makes sense to have a pedestrian bridge for
pedestrians and bicyclists. <BR>
<DIV class=MsoNormal>Mitigation is an interesting word. The need for
mitigation only exists when a project or situation creates a problem(s) most
often that cause harm to an individual, group, environment, or species.
Mitigation can be seen as any effort to try and prevent negative
effects. Why go forward with a project or situation that causes harm?
It differs from other measures because it specifically deals with
risk. A precursor activity to the mitigation is the identification
of<U> risks.</U> <BR></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal>What are the risks involved for pedestrians,
bicyclists, a neighborhood, and vehicles with a vehicular bridge vs. a
pedestrian bridge? (both with and without both of these)<BR></DIV>The
following is some background on the pedestrian bridge idea and it's origins.
(for those that aren't familiar with it or who believe it was an effort to
circumvent the vehicle bridge).
<DIV class=MsoNormal>The folks from <ST1:CITY w:st="on"><ST1:PLACE
w:st="on">Moscow</ST1:PLACE></ST1:CITY>'s Paradise Path (part of Moscow's
Parks & Rec) brought some consultant/ organizers from City Repair of
Portland to a workshop on Sept 10, 2005. After a presentation and
brainstorming session, attendees at the workshop identified places in
<ST1:CITY w:st="on"><ST1:PLACE w:st="on">Moscow</ST1:PLACE></ST1:CITY> that
might be candidates for City Repair's ideas of<SPAN style="COLOR: black">
people reclaiming their urban spaces to create community-oriented places.
These places were:<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV>
<UL type=disc>
<LI class=MsoNormal>Deadman's Hill (Adams, from B to C streets)<O:P></O:P>
<LI class=MsoNormal>F Street Hill<O:P></O:P>
<LI class=MsoNormal>West entrance to <ST1:CITY w:st="on"><ST1:PLACE
w:st="on">Moscow</ST1:PLACE></ST1:CITY><O:P></O:P>
<LI class=MsoNormal>Hwy 95 & Hwy 8 Intersection<O:P></O:P>
<LI class=MsoNormal><ST1:STREET w:st="on"><ST1:ADDRESS w:st="on">Harrison
St</ST1:ADDRESS></ST1:STREET> right of way south of Hwy 8 (connection to
<ST1:PLACE w:st="on"><ST1:PLACENAME w:st="on">Berman</ST1:PLACENAME>
<ST1:PLACENAME w:st="on">Creekside</ST1:PLACENAME> <ST1:PLACETYPE
w:st="on">Park</ST1:PLACETYPE></ST1:PLACE>) <O:P></O:P>
<LI class=MsoNormal>3rd St Crossing of Paradise Creek<O:P></O:P>
<LI class=MsoNormal>Travois Way Linear Park<O:P></O:P>
<LI class=MsoNormal><ST1:STREET w:st="on"><ST1:ADDRESS w:st="on">D
Street</ST1:ADDRESS></ST1:STREET> and Mt View Intersection<O:P></O:P>
<LI class=MsoNormal><ST1:STREET w:st="on"><ST1:ADDRESS w:st="on">F
Street</ST1:ADDRESS></ST1:STREET> and Mt View Intersection<O:P></O:P>
<LI class=MsoNormal><ST1:CITY w:st="on"><ST1:PLACE
w:st="on">Taylor</ST1:PLACE></ST1:CITY> and Lauder Intersection<O:P></O:P>
<LI class=MsoNormal><ST1:STREET w:st="on"><ST1:ADDRESS w:st="on">A
Street</ST1:ADDRESS></ST1:STREET> and <ST1:STREET w:st="on"><ST1:ADDRESS
w:st="on">Main Street</ST1:ADDRESS></ST1:STREET>
Triangle<O:P></O:P></LI></UL>
<DIV>From these, three were picked by the group (West Entrance to <ST1:CITY
w:st="on"><ST1:PLACE w:st="on">Moscow</ST1:PLACE></ST1:CITY>, Intersection
Of Hwys95and8, 3rd St Crossing) for further brainstorming.</DIV>
<DIV>For more information about City Repair please visit their website <A
href="http://www.cityrepair.org">http://www.cityrepair.org</A><BR><O:P></O:P></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><BR></DIV><BR><B><I>Donovan Arnold <<A
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</A>></I></B>
wrote:
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<DIV>The costs outweigh the gains of placing a vehicle bridge across the
3rd Street and Mountain View intersection. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Think, what do you gain. You gain an access point, but to what and at
what costs to others.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Taking 3rd Street instead of D Street or 6th Street takes longer to
get to town. The width of the road, the right of way, positioning of stop
signs, pedestrian traffic, and other vehicle traffic makes using 3rd
Street a slower alternative. I suggest you drive this route:</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Joesph St. to Mountain View to 3rd Street. Time it. Then drive the
distance from the end of 3rd Street to downtown. Time that and add the
times together.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Next, drive from Joesph Street to 6th Street, then make a right
on Hayes, the a left on 3rd and follow it all the way downtown. You
will find it took you longer to drive the Mountain View Route.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The same is true with coming from the northeast side of town off
Dst Street. It is faster to take Dst and go left on 95 than it is to take
Mountain View and try to go right down 3rd Street. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>There are no houses on the other side of Mountain View where it would
be a quicker access point to use 3rd than either 6th or D streets. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The city would be creating another access point, but it would
not be a faster or safer route. So it seems like a weak argument
when you consider it would disrupt parking and reduce safety in the
neighborhood. Not to mention the environmental impact problems to the
creek and lightening of the taxpayers wallet. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I would rather see a bridge across 3rd Street/Highway for safe
passage of students over the traffic. The City is working on the wrong end
of the street.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Best,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Donovan</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><BR><B><I>Dan Carscallen <<A
href="mailto:areaman@moscow.com">areaman@moscow.com</A>></I></B>
wrote:</DIV>
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asks:<BR>"Someone please explain to me WHY a pedestrian bridge is being
built at<BR>3rd St. Please try to convince me that it's not to, once and
for <BR>all, prevent an auto bridge from going there. What powerful
people in<BR>Moscow DON'T want that?"<BR><BR>>From what I heard at
the Administrative Committee meeting last Monday,<BR>if the placement of
a pedestrian bridge is to either the north or the<BR>south, it would not
preclude the future addition of a vehicular bridge<BR>in the future (a
vehicular bridge is a part of the Comprehensive Plan).<BR><BR>One must
realize there is some pretty vocal opposition to a vehicular<BR>bridge
there, which got it put on the back burner about a year and a<BR>half
ago. If a person is in favor of a vehicular bridge there (which
I<BR>think would work with some traffic mitigation), that person should
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