<DIV>Tom,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You are confusing fair market rate with affordable. We do not have enough formation to ascertain the value of Nick Gier's particular rental property or your apartment. We do however, know what is affordable housing and we can fairly access that $1500 a month is well beyond an affordable rate for families where one or more parent is a full time student.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Affordable housing is about 30% of a person's income, including w,s, and g. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Fair market rate is what the market will bear. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>These are totally different criteria. We are not debating fair market values, but if the market is affordable for college families. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Moscow has artificially inflated housing prices because of the college and community leaders unwillingness to build enough houses. Moscow has the least number of housing units
per resident in the state. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Best,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Donovan</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000><FONT color=#0000bf>"Why doesn't the Co-Op have a psycho welcome guy?" --Tom Hansen, April 27, 2007</FONT><BR><BR></FONT><B><I>Tom Hansen <thansen@moscow.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"> <META content="Microsoft Word 11 (filtered medium)" name=Generator> <STYLE> v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} </STYLE> <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:SmartTagType name="Street" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></o:SmartTagType><o:SmartTagType name="PostalCode"
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w:st="on">Arnold</st1:place></st1:City>, if you are going to combine the rent payments, you might as well combine the living space (of the HOUSE), as well.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">That would amount to a 5 bedroom, 3 bath HOUSE for $1,500 per month.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Question, Arnold: What are the going rent rates for a comparable house?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Tom “living in a 2-bedroom, 1-bath, $500 a month apartment” Hansen<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Moscow</SPAN></FONT></st1:City><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">, <st1:State w:st="on">Idaho</st1:State></SPAN></FONT></st1:place><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY:
Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV> <DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy">“Anyone that buys something at Wal-Mart or Target expecting it to last doesn't know how to spend money.”<BR><BR>- Donovan Arnold (October 3, 2006)</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></DIV></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <HR tabIndex=-1 align=center width="100%" SIZE=2> </SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Donovan Arnold<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Tuesday, May
01, 2007 2:29 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Nick Gier</st1:PersonName><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> vision2020@moscow.com<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [Vision2020] Correct Rent for my House</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></DIV></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Nick,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">As I understand it, $600 a month for part of the house, $750 for the other half of the house is $1350 a month. Is my math
off?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Count in w,s,g, utilities, and it is easily over $1500 a month for a house rental. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">A couple with a child or two going to college cannot afford $1500 a month. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
12pt">When everyone, including you, divides their homes up into apartments to raise the rental value of a home to $1500 a month, you make it impossible for single families to rent an entire home.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">You have to rent to 4 to 8 people because it is not affordable for a one income family. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">In order for $750 a month to be affordable, that would be $9,000 a year. Someone would have to net $30,000 a year in order for that to be only 30% of
their income. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">No statistics in <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Moscow</st1:place></st1:City> support the claim that the average college student with children does not make $30,000 a year after taxes. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">The math is pretty concrete. $750 a month is NOT affordable housing for a family in <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Moscow</st1:place></st1:City>. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV
class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Want more math. If a college student works 25 hrs a week at $10 an hour. That is about $1000 a month net income. They get the maximum of $12,000 in loans, grants, and scholarships. That is still only $24,000 a year, assuming no missed work and they can find a job for twice the minimum wage. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Moscow</SPAN></FONT></st1:place></st1:City> has no affordable housing for college family units. Dividing housing to maximize rental income is the main reason why.<o:p></o:p></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Best,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Donovan<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR><st1:PersonName w:st="on"><B><I><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-STYLE: italic">Nick Gier</SPAN></I></B></st1:PersonName><B><I><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-STYLE: italic"> <ngier@uidaho.edu></SPAN></I></B> wrote:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; PADDING-LEFT: 4pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 3.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 1.5pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Dear Donovan,<BR><BR>You are not remembering my rent figures very well. Families who have rented my 3-bedroom upstairs have found the $750 rent very reasonable, and students who have 3 bedrooms and 2 baths downstairs for $600 believe that they have died and gone to heaven.<BR><BR>By the way, the upstairs will be available for Fall semester and the downstairs will be available July 1. Please spread the word and give anyone interested my e-mail address.<BR><BR><st1:PersonName
w:st="on">Nick Gier</st1:PersonName><BR><BR>At 09:33 AM 5/1/2007, you wrote:<BR><BR><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Nick,<BR> <BR>I didn't attack your house. I was disagreeing with you charging $1500 to rent a house in <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Moscow</st1:place></st1:City>. In order for that to be considered affordable housing a family would have to make $4,500 a month in net income. Those types of jobs are just not available in <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Moscow</st1:place></st1:City>. Nor does a person get that much money in students loans, grants and scholarships.<BR> <BR>What you seem to not comprehend is that when you make rent prices so outrageous you make life very difficult, if not impossible for couples with children that would like to get out of poverty by getting a degree at UI. <BR> <BR>Sure, $1500 is affordable for 5 or 6 college
students. But single families have to pay that same market rate. This was my biggest challenge as a student body senator, was trying to find adequate low income housing for single families. It doesn't exist. The UI family housing is full, and the buildings are falling apart, not entirely safe, and have mold and health issues. <BR> <BR>That was my point, and why I am angry about the situation. It is completely unfair.<BR> <BR>Best,<BR> <BR>Donovan<BR><BR><st1:PersonName w:st="on"><B><I><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-STYLE: italic">Nick Gier</SPAN></I></B></st1:PersonName><B><I><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-STYLE: italic"> <ngier@uidaho.edu></SPAN></I></B> wrote:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Good Morning Visionaries:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV
class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I'm just as fed with Donovan's tirades as anyone on this list. (My favorite attack was the one on my house. I can defend myself, but house cannot.) Objecting to his insults and bad manners is one thing, but diagnosing his mental state complete with labels is another thing, even if he has given his own diagnosis.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I would very much like this thread to cease immediately.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><st1:PersonName w:st="on"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Nick
Gier</SPAN></FONT></st1:PersonName><o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV></X-SIGSEP> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><X-SIGSEP>"Truth is the summit of being; justice is the application of it to human affairs."<BR>--Ralph Waldo Emerson<BR><BR>"Abstract truth has no value unless it incarnates in human beings who represent it, by proving their readiness to die for it."<BR> --Mohandas Gandhi<BR><BR>"Modern physics has taught us that the nature of any system cannot be discovered by dividing it into its component parts and studying each part by itself. . . .We must keep our attention fixed on the whole and on the interconnection between the parts. The same is true of our intellectual life. It is impossible to make a clear cut between science, religion, and art. The whole is never equal simply to the sum of its various parts." --Ma</SPAN></FONT><FONT size=1><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt">x Planck<BR><BR></SPAN></FONT>Nicholas F.
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