<DIV>Reverend Keely,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>While I agree that the writing was a bit graphic and that he shouldn't proclaim someone is soulless, I suggest you reread your Bible, recheck with your God, and study abortion procedures if you think that the description of abortion is worse than those that ardently advocate for it in all forms and situations as a fundamental right. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Best,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Donovan<BR><BR><B><I>keely emerinemix <kjajmix1@msn.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"> <STYLE> P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma } </STYLE> This is beyond sickening and says much more about the writer than the object of his venom. Absolutely disgusting.<BR><BR>keely<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> From: tonytime@clearwire.net<BR>To:
godshatter@yahoo.com<BR>Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 07:14:16 -0700<BR>CC: vision2020@moscow.com<BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Is it Infanticide Vs. Abortion?<BR><BR> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>No no no Paul, you misunderstood. I was not referencing early term abortion, let alone miscarriage, when I mentioned Andreas' apparent lack of a soul in championing the killing of nearly - birthed children. It was a reference to Intact D & E, A.K.A. partial birth abortion. Andreas, grinning with glee and wringing his bloody hands, pleads for the "right" to stab a baby at the base of its skull and vacuum out its brain as its head collapses. He would then toss it in the trash as his eyes rolled back in his head, his gory rampage presumably culminating in orgasmic bliss.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I understand, Paul, that the truth can be unsettling. Sometimes it can be shocking to
learn the details of man's inhumanity to man, or in this case his offspring, but the truth they say will set us free. Don't blame the messenger Paul. Allow yourself to accept the horrendous reality of what the left is capable of. I contend that it is Andreas and his ilk who are being harsh. I am not advocating the premeditated killing of babies, they are. Those who allow their intellect to entirely supplant their empathy and compassion, resulting in an emaciated and undernourished soul, are truly a danger to the rest of us.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Stay strong Paul.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The battle for our souls continues......</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>-Tony</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px;
MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(0,0,0) 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: rgb(228,228,228) 0% 50%; FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial"><B>From:</B> <A title=godshatter@yahoo.com href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">Paul Rumelhart</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>To:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, April 26, 2007 8:54 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Is it Infanticide Vs. Abortion?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Tony wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE cite=mid008101c7887b$0efd3a60$6401a8c0@simpson><PRE>At least you are right about one thing: you are not qualified to render medical advice. Nor are you qualified to parent children. That requires compassion and a soul. </PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Isn't that a little harsh? Can't you have a stance on this subject different from yours and still have compassion and a soul? How far do you take this "one too many" thing, anyway? Should a woman who has a miscarriage be tried for involuntary manslaughter? <BR><BR>Paul<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE cite=mid008101c7887b$0efd3a60$6401a8c0@simpson><PRE>Later, -Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andreas Schou" <A class=EC_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E href="mailto:ophite@gmail.com"><ophite@gmail.com></A> To: "Tony" <A class=EC_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E href="mailto:tonytime@clearwire.net"><tonytime@clearwire.net></A> Cc: <A class=EC_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><vision2020@moscow.com></A> Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 12:03 AM Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Is it Infanticide Vs. Abortion? (was: CatholicMajority On Supreme Court) </PRE> <BLOCKQUOTE><PRE>On 4/25/07, Tony <A class=EC_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E href="mailto:tonytime@clearwire.net"><tonytime@clearwire.net></A> wrote: </PRE> <BLOCKQUOTE><PRE>Andreas, is it your contention then that intact dilation and extraction is performed on non-viable babies in EVERY case? If so, why has such information never been divulged before now by the proponents of this "procedure?" One suspects that there is, once again, more to the story than those on your side of this debate would have the public believe. </PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE>It's my contention that it constitutes 0.2% of abortions, that it is performed as an emergency surgery rather than elective abortion, and that it is performed on non-viable fetuses.
Late-term abortions constitute 1.4% of all abortions performed in the United States. Intact D&E constitutes 15% of those. Back-of-the-envelope calculations tell me that that means that intact D&E is used in roughly 0.2% of all abortion procedures in the United States. Kennedy's opinion is predicated on the fact that intact D&E is medically equivalent to the interuterine dismemberment and suction of the miscellaneous parts; that is, there is no circumstance under which an intact D&E would save the life of the mother when other equivalent processes could also be performed. This logic is designed specifically to limit the ruling's scope. Notably, Kennedy leaves an opening for specific review of the law when he specifically mentions that the court would entertain a case considering that specific issue -- that is, whether a late-term abortion would be medically necessary for the health or life of the mother. How Kennedy expects that a
challenge would reach the Supreme Court in the (roughly) 90 days before the case is mooted by the birth of a child or the death of a fetus is an exercise best left to the imagination (or alternately sniggered at behind your hand). </PRE> <BLOCKQUOTE><PRE>That critical question aside, why are these handicapped infants not simply delivered and allowed to expire naturally, if that is indeed their fate, rather than being unceremoniously dispatched? </PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE>I am not qualified to deliver medical advice, but it is my understanding that one cannot live without a functioning forebrain. You, however, have left me somewhat unsure of this understanding. -- ACS * If you're interested, this Harpers article is a good overview of the "partial-birth abortion" pseudo-debate: <A class=EC_moz-txt-link-freetext href="http://www.harpers.org/archive/2004/11/0080278" target=_blank>http://www.harpers.org/archive/2004/11/0080278</A> * Yes, it's a
blog post. However, it's an ob/gyn med student's overview of the medical literature on intact D&E, as well as what exactly was made illegal by the partial-birth abortion law: <A class=EC_moz-txt-link-freetext href="http://www.agraphia.net/partial-birth-abortion-v-intact-dilation-extraction/" target=_blank>http://www.agraphia.net/partial-birth-abortion-v-intact-dilation-extraction/</A> * This is a personal account of someone who did have an intact D&E due to (extremely severe) spinal bifida. It might explain why someone might want to do it: <A class=EC_moz-txt-link-freetext href="http://lifestyle.msn.com/mindbodyandsoul/womenintheworld/articlemc.aspx?cp-documentid=4595719" target=_blank>http://lifestyle.msn.com/mindbodyandsoul/womenintheworld/articlemc.aspx?cp-documentid=4595719</A> </PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE>======================================================= List services made available by First Step Internet, serving the communities of the
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