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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I count it a success when something I write causes
you to reconsider anything. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Shall we try to be nice to each other next
week?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sue </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=suehovey@moscow.com
href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">Sue Hovey</A> ; <A
title=tonytime@clearwire.net href="mailto:tonytime@clearwire.net">Tony</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, April 26, 2007 3:09
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] The 30 Second
Rule (Was Is it Infanticide Vs.Abortion?)</DIV>
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<DIV>Well Sue, you certainly got me reconsidering my position on selective
euthanasia. Can you explain again, why are the taxpayers paying for you
to stick around year after year? Seems like another example of wasteful
government spending. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Best,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Donovan </DIV>
<DIV><BR><B><I>Sue Hovey <<A
href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">suehovey@moscow.com</A>></I></B>
wrote:</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Donovan,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Interesting piece, your little diatribe
here. I'm not quite sure what you intended to prove. Or was it
one of those times when you just couldn't control yourself? It isn't
funny, it isn't enlightening, it isn't even close to
coherently written. As I read this stuff I was thinking
better than a 30 second rule for abortion, why not just allow them
retroactively. Then women could pick and choose. I guess there'd
have to be a cut off date of say 40 years or so. How old are you
anyway?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sue Hovey</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=tonytime@clearwire.net
href="mailto:tonytime@clearwire.net">Tony</A> ; <A title=ophite@gmail.com
href="mailto:ophite@gmail.com">Andreas Schou</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, April 25, 2007 11:39
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] The 30
Second Rule (Was Is it Infanticide Vs.Abortion?)</DIV>
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<DIV>Perhaps what proponents of late term abortion and partial birth
abortion should come up with is a 30 second rule for abortions.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>A so called procedure where a doctor gets 30 seconds after the
unwanted FETUS comes out of the woman's womb to bash its head in with a
rock. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>It won't really be killing a baby because the umbilical cord won't be
cut yet so is still part of the woman's body, and most the fetuses
will be dead, injured, deformed, disabled, male, or at
least jaundiced anyway. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>People who want rights for women should really push for this god
given right of women not to be taken away for several reasons:</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>1) There is only 30 seconds or less difference between a partial
birth abortion and the 30 second rule. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>2) There is less of a risk of damage to the mother womb's
because other types of abortions take place inside her womb
where damage may occur.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>3) It is easier to clean up the fetus parts if you put down
newspapers or plastic garbage bags</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>4) The procedure will be less complicated and costly meaning it will
be more accessible to women with less economic means.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>5) The procedure is so simple it can be made into a do-it-at-home-kit
so dead beat dads, ex-boyfriends, pushers, and even pimps can take a
wake at the unwanted problem.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Women in many cultures across the world over thousands of years have
had this right. It is only because of recent beliefs and the enforcement
of White Christianity in this country that women are longer able to
exercise this god given right to post-birth abortion, or should
we use the term <U>Post Fetal </U><A class=new
title="Intrauterine Cranial Decompression"
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Intrauterine_Cranial_Decompression&action=edit"><FONT
color=#000000>Intrauterine Cranial Compression</FONT></A> to feel
better about it.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Best,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Donovan<BR><BR><B><I>Tony <tonytime@clearwire.net></I></B>
wrote:</DIV>
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is it your contention then that intact dilation and extraction is
<BR>performed on non-viable babies in EVERY case? If so, why has such
<BR>information never been divulged before now by the proponents of this
<BR>"procedure?" One suspects that there is, once again, more to the
story than <BR>those on your side of this debate would have the public
believe.<BR><BR>That critical question aside, why are these handicapped
infants not simply <BR>delivered and allowed to expire naturally, if
that is indeed their fate, <BR>rather than being unceremoniously
dispatched? Some among us seem altogether <BR>too sure that we are
qualified to determine who is "viable" and who is
not.<BR><BR>Later,<BR><BR>-Tony<BR>----- Original Message -----
<BR>From: "Andreas Schou" <OPHITE@GMAIL.COM><BR>To: "Tony"
<TONYTIME@CLEARWIRE.NET><BR>Cc: <VISION2020@MOSCOW.COM><BR>Sent:
Tuesday, April 24, 2007 10:17 PM<BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Is it
Infanticide Vs. Abortion? (was: <BR>CatholicMajority On Supreme
Court)<BR><BR><BR>> On 4/24/07, Tony
<TONYTIME@CLEARWIRE.NET>wrote:<BR>>> Andreas, just a quick note to
enlighten you as to what partial birth<BR>>> abortion entails. And
no, it is not a reference to virtually all <BR>>>
abortions<BR>>> as you mistakenly claim. The medical term for this
barbaric "procedure" <BR>>> is<BR>>> intact dilation and
extraction. The squirming infant is pulled feet <BR>>>
first<BR>>> from its Mommy until only its little head remains
inside. Then the <BR>>> "doctor"<BR>>> unceremoniously stabs
the little guy or gal at the base of its skull and<BR>>> sucks out
its brain, at which point the poor innocent babe's skull<BR>>>
collapses, facilitating its removal and disposal. There is no place
for<BR>>> such murderous behavior in a civilized society. Those
who support the<BR>>> continuation of this practice are moral
reprobates who should be shunned.<BR>><BR>> There most certainly
is.<BR>><BR>> Intact dialiation and extraction is, ironically,
only performed on<BR>> nonviable fetuses that were carried almost to
term. In short, it is a<BR>> procedure performed on nonviable fetuses
*which the mother did not<BR>> wish to abort*. Generally, it is
peformed in cases of anencephaly: a<BR>> neural tube defect where the
fetus' braincase fails to form.<BR>><BR>> Google image search it,
if you want to. I did. If you do, it will<BR>> become very clear to
you why these fetuses are not viable.<BR>><BR>> Intact D&E is
not the only procedure suitable to remove an<BR>> anencephalic fetus;
however, it is the only abortion procedure that<BR>> creates a corpse
suitable for burial. Other procedures, procedures<BR>> which remain
legal -- iironically, it is the fact that these<BR>> procedures are
medically equivalent that creates the foundation of the<BR>> Supreme
Court's radically inconsistent docrtine -- create a<BR>>
miscellaneous stew of limbs and organs unsuitable for
burial.<BR>><BR>> The law that resulted in the ruling is the
purest manifestiation of<BR>> rank cynicism: it's an exploitation of
the courts' misunderstanding of<BR>> why the procedure is
performed.<BR>><BR>> -- ACS<BR>><BR>> the standard procedure
peformed in cases of anencephaly and<BR>> exencephaly -- when a
fetus' braincase fails to form,<BR>><BR>>
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