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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Donovan,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Interesting piece, your little diatribe
here. I'm not quite sure what you intended to prove. Or was it one
of those times when you just couldn't control yourself? It isn't funny, it
isn't enlightening, it isn't even close to
coherently written. As I read this stuff I was thinking better
than a 30 second rule for abortion, why not just allow them retroactively.
Then women could pick and choose. I guess there'd have to be a cut off
date of say 40 years or so. How old are you anyway?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sue Hovey</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=tonytime@clearwire.net
href="mailto:tonytime@clearwire.net">Tony</A> ; <A title=ophite@gmail.com
href="mailto:ophite@gmail.com">Andreas Schou</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, April 25, 2007 11:39
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] The 30 Second
Rule (Was Is it Infanticide Vs.Abortion?)</DIV>
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<DIV>Perhaps what proponents of late term abortion and partial birth abortion
should come up with is a 30 second rule for abortions.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>A so called procedure where a doctor gets 30 seconds after the unwanted
FETUS comes out of the woman's womb to bash its head in with a rock. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>It won't really be killing a baby because the umbilical cord won't be cut
yet so is still part of the woman's body, and most the fetuses will be
dead, injured, deformed, disabled, male, or at least
jaundiced anyway. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>People who want rights for women should really push for this god given
right of women not to be taken away for several reasons:</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>1) There is only 30 seconds or less difference between a partial birth
abortion and the 30 second rule. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>2) There is less of a risk of damage to the mother womb's
because other types of abortions take place inside her womb
where damage may occur.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>3) It is easier to clean up the fetus parts if you put down
newspapers or plastic garbage bags</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>4) The procedure will be less complicated and costly meaning it will be
more accessible to women with less economic means.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>5) The procedure is so simple it can be made into a do-it-at-home-kit so
dead beat dads, ex-boyfriends, pushers, and even pimps can take a wake at
the unwanted problem.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Women in many cultures across the world over thousands of years have had
this right. It is only because of recent beliefs and the enforcement of White
Christianity in this country that women are longer able to exercise this god
given right to post-birth abortion, or should we use the term
<U>Post Fetal </U><A class=new
title="Intrauterine Cranial Decompression"
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Intrauterine_Cranial_Decompression&action=edit"><FONT
color=#000000>Intrauterine Cranial Compression</FONT></A> to feel better
about it.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Best,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Donovan<BR><BR><B><I>Tony <tonytime@clearwire.net></I></B>
wrote:</DIV>
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style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Andreas,
is it your contention then that intact dilation and extraction is
<BR>performed on non-viable babies in EVERY case? If so, why has such
<BR>information never been divulged before now by the proponents of this
<BR>"procedure?" One suspects that there is, once again, more to the story
than <BR>those on your side of this debate would have the public
believe.<BR><BR>That critical question aside, why are these handicapped
infants not simply <BR>delivered and allowed to expire naturally, if that is
indeed their fate, <BR>rather than being unceremoniously dispatched? Some
among us seem altogether <BR>too sure that we are qualified to determine who
is "viable" and who is not.<BR><BR>Later,<BR><BR>-Tony<BR>----- Original
Message ----- <BR>From: "Andreas Schou" <OPHITE@GMAIL.COM><BR>To: "Tony"
<TONYTIME@CLEARWIRE.NET><BR>Cc: <VISION2020@MOSCOW.COM><BR>Sent: Tuesday,
April 24, 2007 10:17 PM<BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Is it Infanticide Vs.
Abortion? (was: <BR>CatholicMajority On Supreme Court)<BR><BR><BR>> On
4/24/07, Tony <TONYTIME@CLEARWIRE.NET>wrote:<BR>>> Andreas, just a
quick note to enlighten you as to what partial birth<BR>>> abortion
entails. And no, it is not a reference to virtually all <BR>>>
abortions<BR>>> as you mistakenly claim. The medical term for this
barbaric "procedure" <BR>>> is<BR>>> intact dilation and
extraction. The squirming infant is pulled feet <BR>>>
first<BR>>> from its Mommy until only its little head remains inside.
Then the <BR>>> "doctor"<BR>>> unceremoniously stabs the little
guy or gal at the base of its skull and<BR>>> sucks out its brain, at
which point the poor innocent babe's skull<BR>>> collapses,
facilitating its removal and disposal. There is no place for<BR>>>
such murderous behavior in a civilized society. Those who support
the<BR>>> continuation of this practice are moral reprobates who
should be shunned.<BR>><BR>> There most certainly is.<BR>><BR>>
Intact dialiation and extraction is, ironically, only performed on<BR>>
nonviable fetuses that were carried almost to term. In short, it is
a<BR>> procedure performed on nonviable fetuses *which the mother did
not<BR>> wish to abort*. Generally, it is peformed in cases of
anencephaly: a<BR>> neural tube defect where the fetus' braincase fails
to form.<BR>><BR>> Google image search it, if you want to. I did. If
you do, it will<BR>> become very clear to you why these fetuses are not
viable.<BR>><BR>> Intact D&E is not the only procedure suitable to
remove an<BR>> anencephalic fetus; however, it is the only abortion
procedure that<BR>> creates a corpse suitable for burial. Other
procedures, procedures<BR>> which remain legal -- iironically, it is the
fact that these<BR>> procedures are medically equivalent that creates the
foundation of the<BR>> Supreme Court's radically inconsistent docrtine --
create a<BR>> miscellaneous stew of limbs and organs unsuitable for
burial.<BR>><BR>> The law that resulted in the ruling is the purest
manifestiation of<BR>> rank cynicism: it's an exploitation of the courts'
misunderstanding of<BR>> why the procedure is performed.<BR>><BR>>
-- ACS<BR>><BR>> the standard procedure peformed in cases of
anencephaly and<BR>> exencephaly -- when a fetus' braincase fails to
form,<BR>><BR>>
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