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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Mark,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>If everything will remain “status quo”, if dollars
just get shifted about to the more efficient retailer, why <i>not </i>allow a
Super Walmart in? I guess I’m failing to understand where all the
controversy is: if your speculation is true and Winco goes out of business, essentially
nothing would change—not even water use, which might conceivably go down,
since we would be minus both Winco and regular Walmart. So why is the Moscow
Supercenter controversial at all?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Mark Solomon
[mailto:msolomon@moscow.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, April 22, 2007 7:41 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jason Hoetger<br>
<b>Cc:</b> vision2020@moscow.com<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Vision2020] Winco Vs. Super Walmart<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>You are correct that at the end of the day we'd have the
same market component. My reference to competition and choice was in response
to the previous post by Donovan that somehow we could have two large discount
grocers competing in the long run. Let's remember, though, that a SuperWalmart
has other profit centers than a grocery department that Winco, as an example,
does not have. The Palouse is an isolated market. It is unlikely that a large increase
in customers and shopping dollars would arrive in Moscow/Pullman if a SW
opened. Instead, we would see a shift in where existing dollars are spent
within the commmunity.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>At 7:16 AM -0700 4/22/07, Jason Hoetger wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Assuming you are right about a Moscow Super Walmart totally
ruining Winco (probably unlikely), Moscow would have one big discount grocer
(Walmart), a Safeway, and a Rosauers-exactly what we have now. Where is the
lack of competition? Seems like we'd have at least as much choice as we do
today.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>In any case, it seems unlikely that Winco would simply
shutter its doors and leave town. Winco has successfully competed against Super
Walmarts in several other markets. Winco and Walmart did not get to be large
supermarket chains without knowing plenty about expansion and competition. I
wouldn't shed any tears for Winco just yet.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> vision2020-bounces@moscow.com
[mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com]<b> On Behalf Of</b> Mark Solomon<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, April 21, 2007 8:38 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Donovan Arnold; Chasuk<br>
<b>Cc:</b> vision2020@moscow.com<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Winco Vs. Super Walmart<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Donovan,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>That assumes that there is enough customer base to support
three, count them, three discount grocers in the Moscow/Pullman area (I'm
assuming for the moment, not happily, but assuming anyway that the Pullman
SuperWalmart will eventually be built). If/when the Pullman SW opens, Winco
will take a big hit as Pullman shoppers stay closer to home. There's no reason
to assume someone in Pullman going discount grocery shopping after a
SuperWalmart opens in Pullman would drive to Moscow to shop at Winco or at a
Moscow SuperWalmart. I have no numbers on how many WA residents shop at Winco
but from eyeballing the tags in the parking lot I'd hazard a guess that it
could be up to 40% of the total at Winco. Let's say a Moscow SuperWalmart
opened competing for the 60% of the discount grocery shoppers left and say each
got half: that's 30% of the current customer base for Winco. Seems to me that
the final outcome is two SuperWalmarts, one in Moscow, one in Pullman and no
competition. Or choice.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>At 5:37 PM -0700 4/21/07, Donovan Arnold wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I actually agree with you that Winco can be cheaper than a
Super Wal-Mart. The bulk food items at Winco's bins are cheaper than
anything Super Walmart has to offer. Also, their bread is fresher, cheaper and
in greater variety. The quality of meat is actually better too.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Most of the packaged food goods, Oreo's, M&Ms, and name
brands are going to be within pennies of each other at either store.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>However, where I find the savings is when I purchase
non food items, like paper towels, toilet paper, meds, window
cleaner etc. All of that other stuff is much, much cheaper. Further
you can get everything in one trip, clothes shopping, food shopping, pharmacy,
haircut, oil change for your car, and get some lunch too. That saves you
time and gas, and time and gas saved is money left in your pocket.
Wal-Mart also bags your groceries for you.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I think it would be a smart move for Moscow to have two
discount grocery stores in the area. Winco can as it is, rise their prices 10%
to 20% and there is no viable option in the area to go to and still
get lower price, people are forced to pay it. If you had another super
discount store you have a competition going like they do in Coeur d ' Alene.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>As to the Bees:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I agree that no cause for the problem has been agreed upon,
but I don't think that it is disputed that bees are disappearing from
farms, we know this to be true and the cause for concern.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b><i>Chasuk <chasuk@gmail.com></i></b> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Winco is cheaper than any other grocery store in town, by a
huge<br>
margin. I've recently shopped at a Super Wal-Mart, and it was not<br>
cheaper than Winco. I shop at Costco regularly, and it isn't cheaper<br>
than Winco, either.<br>
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Before I get replies saying "but I bought X at Y, and it was cheaper<br>
than Winco," let me save you the trouble: I already know that some<br>
items are cheaper elsewhere. However, overall, for a family or<br>
individual of average shopping patterns, Winco is far cheaper.<br>
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And the jury is out on the bee threat; some dispute whether it even<br>
exists. I've read arguments from both sides, with both parties<br>
equally qualified to hold an opinion.<br>
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