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<div>Jason,</div>
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<div>You are correct that at the end of the day we'd have the same
market component. My reference to competition and choice was in
response to the previous post by Donovan that somehow we could have
two large discount grocers competing in the long run. Let's remember,
though, that a SuperWalmart has other profit centers than a grocery
department that Winco, as an example, does not have. The Palouse is an
isolated market. It is unlikely that a large increase in customers and
shopping dollars would arrive in Moscow/Pullman if a SW opened.
Instead, we would see a shift in where existing dollars are spent
within the commmunity.</div>
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<div>m.</div>
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<div>At 7:16 AM -0700 4/22/07, Jason Hoetger wrote:</div>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>Mark,</blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite>Assuming you are right about a Moscow
Super Walmart totally ruining Winco (probably unlikely), Moscow would
have one big discount grocer (Walmart), a Safeway, and a
Rosauers-exactly what we have now. Where is the lack of competition?
Seems like we'd have at least as much choice as we do
today.</blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite>In any case, it seems unlikely that Winco
would simply shutter its doors and leave town. Winco has successfully
competed against Super Walmarts in several other markets. Winco and
Walmart did not get to be large supermarket chains without knowing
plenty about expansion and competition. I wouldn't shed any tears
for Winco just yet.</blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite>Jason</blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite><b>From:</b>
vision2020-bounces@moscow.com
[mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com]<b> On Behalf Of</b> Mark
Solomon<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, April 21, 2007 8:38 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Donovan Arnold; Chasuk<br>
<b>Cc:</b> vision2020@moscow.com<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Winco Vs. Super Walmart</blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite>Donovan,</blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite>That assumes that there is enough
customer base to support three, count them, three discount grocers in
the Moscow/Pullman area (I'm assuming for the moment, not happily, but
assuming anyway that the Pullman SuperWalmart will eventually be
built). If/when the Pullman SW opens, Winco will take a big hit as
Pullman shoppers stay closer to home. There's no reason to assume
someone in Pullman going discount grocery shopping after a
SuperWalmart opens in Pullman would drive to Moscow to shop at Winco
or at a Moscow SuperWalmart. I have no numbers on how many WA
residents shop at Winco but from eyeballing the tags in the parking
lot I'd hazard a guess that it could be up to 40% of the total at
Winco. Let's say a Moscow SuperWalmart opened competing for the 60% of
the discount grocery shoppers left and say each got half: that's 30%
of the current customer base for Winco. Seems to me that the final
outcome is two SuperWalmarts, one in Moscow, one in Pullman and no
competition. Or choice.</blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite>Mark</blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite>At 5:37 PM -0700 4/21/07, Donovan Arnold
wrote:<br>
<blockquote>Chas,<br>
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<blockquote>I actually agree with you that Winco can be cheaper than a
Super Wal-Mart. The bulk food items at Winco's bins are cheaper
than anything Super Walmart has to offer. Also, their bread is
fresher, cheaper and in greater variety. The quality of meat is
actually better too.<br>
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<blockquote>Most of the packaged food goods, Oreo's, M&Ms, and
name brands are going to be within pennies of each other at either
store.<br>
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<blockquote>However, where I find the savings is when I purchase
non food items, like paper towels, toilet paper, meds, window
cleaner etc. All of that other stuff is much, much cheaper.
Further you can get everything in one trip, clothes shopping,
food shopping, pharmacy, haircut, oil change for your car, and
get some lunch too. That saves you time and gas, and time and gas
saved is money left in your pocket. Wal-Mart also bags your
groceries for you.<br>
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<blockquote>I think it would be a smart move for Moscow to have two
discount grocery stores in the area. Winco can as it is, rise their
prices 10% to 20% and there is no viable option in the area to go to
and still get lower price, people are forced to pay it. If you
had another super discount store you have a competition going like
they do in Coeur d ' Alene.<br>
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<blockquote>As to the Bees:<br>
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<blockquote>I agree that no cause for the problem has been agreed
upon, but I don't think that it is disputed that bees are
disappearing from farms, we know this to be true and the cause
for concern.</blockquote>
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<blockquote>Best,<br>
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<blockquote>Donovan<br>
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<i><b>Chasuk <chasuk@gmail.com></b></i> wrote:</blockquote>
<blockquote>Winco is cheaper than any other grocery store in town, by
a huge<br>
margin. I've recently shopped at a Super Wal-Mart, and it was not<br>
cheaper than Winco. I shop at Costco regularly, and it isn't
cheaper<br>
than Winco, either.<br>
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Before I get replies saying "but I bought X at Y, and it was
cheaper<br>
than Winco," let me save you the trouble: I already know that
some<br>
items are cheaper elsewhere. However, overall, for a family or<br>
individual of average shopping patterns, Winco is far cheaper.<br>
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And the jury is out on the bee threat; some dispute whether it
even<br>
exists. I've read arguments from both sides, with both parties<br>
equally qualified to hold an opinion.<br>
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