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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The bottom line, in my opinion, is that
three grocery stores (WinCo, Rosauers, and Safeway) are plenty for a town of
23,000.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>It’s not like a fourth grocery store
(Tidymans) never made an attempt at <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Moscow</st1:City></st1:place>.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Why would <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Moscow</st1:place></st1:City> need another large grocery
store? It simply lacks sense.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Tom Hansen<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Moscow, Idaho<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=2 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:navy'>"We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students.
The college students are not very active in local elections (thank
goodness!)."<br>
<br>
- Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)</span></font><font color=navy><span
style='color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Jason Hoetger<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Sunday, April 22, 2007 7:17
AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> 'Mark Solomon'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> vision2020@moscow.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Vision2020] Winco
Vs. Super Walmart</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Mark,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Assuming you are
right about a Moscow Super Walmart totally ruining Winco (probably unlikely), <st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Moscow</st1:place></st1:City> would have one big
discount grocer (Walmart), a Safeway, and a Rosauers—exactly what we have
now. Where is the lack of competition? Seems like we’d have at least as
much choice as we do today.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>In any case, it
seems unlikely that Winco would simply shutter its doors and leave town. Winco
has successfully competed against Super Walmarts in several other markets.
Winco and Walmart did not get to be large supermarket chains without knowing
plenty about expansion and competition. I wouldn’t shed any tears for
Winco just yet.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Jason<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Mark Solomon<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Saturday, April 21, 2007
8:38 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Donovan Arnold; Chasuk<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> vision2020@moscow.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Vision2020] Winco
Vs. Super Walmart<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Donovan,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>That assumes that there is enough customer base to support three, count
them, three discount grocers in the Moscow/Pullman area (I'm assuming for the
moment, not happily, but assuming anyway that the Pullman SuperWalmart will
eventually be built). If/when the Pullman SW opens, Winco will take a big hit
as <st1:place w:st="on">Pullman</st1:place> shoppers stay closer to home.
There's no reason to assume someone in <st1:City w:st="on">Pullman</st1:City>
going discount grocery shopping after a SuperWalmart opens in <st1:City w:st="on">Pullman</st1:City>
would drive to <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Moscow</st1:place></st1:City>
to shop at Winco or at a Moscow SuperWalmart. I have no numbers on how many WA
residents shop at Winco but from eyeballing the tags in the parking lot I'd
hazard a guess that it could be up to 40% of the total at Winco. Let's say a
Moscow SuperWalmart opened competing for the 60% of the discount grocery
shoppers left and say each got half: that's 30% of the current customer base
for Winco. Seems to me that the final outcome is two SuperWalmarts, one in <st1:City
w:st="on">Moscow</st1:City>, one in <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Pullman</st1:place></st1:City>
and no competition. Or choice.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Mark<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>At 5:37 PM -0700 4/21/07, Donovan Arnold wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Chas,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I actually agree with you that Winco can be cheaper than a Super
Wal-Mart. The bulk food items at Winco's bins are cheaper than anything
Super Walmart has to offer. Also, their bread is fresher, cheaper and in
greater variety. The quality of meat is actually better too.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Most of the packaged food goods, Oreo's, M&Ms, and name brands are
going to be within pennies of each other at either store.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>However, where I find the savings is when I purchase non food
items, like paper towels, toilet paper, meds, window cleaner etc. All of
that other stuff is much, much cheaper. Further you can get
everything in one trip, clothes shopping, food shopping, pharmacy, haircut, oil
change for your car, and get some lunch too. That saves you time and gas,
and time and gas saved is money left in your pocket. Wal-Mart also bags
your groceries for you.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I think it would be a smart move for <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Moscow</st1:place></st1:City> to have two discount grocery stores in
the area. Winco can as it is, rise their prices 10% to 20% and there is no
viable option in the area to go to and still get lower price, people are
forced to pay it. If you had another super discount store you have a
competition going like they do in Coeur d ' Alene.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>As to the Bees:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I agree that no cause for the problem has been agreed upon, but I don't
think that it is disputed that bees are disappearing from farms, we know
this to be true and the cause for concern.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Best,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Donovan<br>
<br>
<b><i><span style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>Chasuk
<chasuk@gmail.com></span></i></b> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Winco is cheaper than any other grocery store in town, by a huge<br>
margin. I've recently shopped at a Super Wal-Mart, and it was not<br>
cheaper than Winco. I shop at Costco regularly, and it isn't cheaper<br>
than Winco, either.<br>
<br>
Before I get replies saying "but I bought X at Y, and it was cheaper<br>
than Winco," let me save you the trouble: I already know that some<br>
items are cheaper elsewhere. However, overall, for a family or<br>
individual of average shopping patterns, Winco is far cheaper.<br>
<br>
And the jury is out on the bee threat; some dispute whether it even<br>
exists. I've read arguments from both sides, with both parties<br>
equally qualified to hold an opinion.<br>
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