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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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Christianity as ToeKnee so proudly declares over and over again . . .<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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"People walking up to you<br>
Singing glory hallelujah<br>
And they're trying to sock it to you<br>
In the name of the Lord."<br>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
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vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Tony<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, April 17, 2007 4:25
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> keely emerinemix<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> vision2020@moscow.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Vision2020] Keely
chomps and foams</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Walter got a nasty smackdown from me, Keely, because he took
the first shot, and anonymously at that. I am under no obligation to
allow others to assault me without defending myself. You defend yourself
whenever someone questions your judgment, why am I wrong for doing precisely
the same thing?</span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Fascinating!</span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>The bottom line Keely, is that you agree with Mr. Timid's
political positions and disagree with mine. Won't you do us all a favor and
dispense with this notion that it is my invective which has you upset, and be
honest: there is plenty of invective on both sides on this list and that is not
what has your panties in a twist. What you find unacceptable is that I
would DARE to disagree with you, and that I do so persuasively. Face the
fact that you smug leftists no longer have a stranglehold on this forum.
The diversity that you so often claim to value, has come aboard, and you are in
a snit because you view yourself as a member of the anointed, and anyone with
the temerity to challenge you as just another hopelessly benighted rube.</span></font><font
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>What would Jesus do, Keely? He'd tell you to pipe
down and consider the possibility that you don't have all the
answers. That perhaps you should encourage a diversity of views instead
of smugly dismissing those with whom you disagree.</span></font><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>What a phony Christian you are. You profess to follow
Christ while condemning someone who disagrees with you as a chomping,
foaming, hysterical chunk of cat shit. Judge not, unless you are the
great Keely, in which case, heap on the scorn.</span></font><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Look Caligula, it is not me who espouses filth and hatred to
be challenged. It is you who advocate for a woman's "right" to
kill her children. I stand up for their right to live. Which side
is more compassionate you barbarian? I stand against those who would blow
woman and children to pieces with glazed-eyed glee. You defend these
RAGHEAD murderers at every turn. It is therefore you, miss phony
Christian, who enables and promotes hate, not me.</span></font><font size=2
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Keeely, this morally superior posture you effect is really
nauseating. Thomas Sowell was right about you controlling leftists.
You really do feel you are superior to the masses and obligated to correct
their inferior reasoning at every turn. You are quite simply a tyrant,
but one with no power. An aspiring dictator without the power to
subjugate anyone. You will live out the balance of your ineffectual
little life without the satisfaction of tyrannizing anyone. Nor will you
enjoy the license to blather on in defense of terrorists and baby killers
without opposition.</span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>It's called the first amendment sister.</span></font><font
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Deal with it.</span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
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font-family:Arial'>-Tony</span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com" title="kjajmix1@msn.com">keely emerinemix</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:tonytime@clearwire.net" title="tonytime@clearwire.net">Tony</a> ; <a
href="mailto:don.nergal@gmail.com" title="don.nergal@gmail.com">Walter Smith</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" title="vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Monday, April 16,
2007 5:20 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> RE: [Vision2020]
Parting shots, fired high<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Gee, and I was going to write to
"walter" to thank him for at least giving us a shot. Now the
tone of my letter changes; I find that I'm once again having to acknowledge,
with sorrow, the existence of such a vitriol-spewing fellow correspondent as
Tony.<br>
<br>
On behalf of the overwhelmingly kind, gracious members of the <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">Vision 2020</st1:PersonName>, I'm sorry that your brief engagement
resulted in the nasty smackdown you got from a true master of
vituperation. For what it's worth, I hope you reconsider ending your
active involvement on the list. I'm very glad you read <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">Vision 2020</st1:PersonName> and I appreciate your thoughtful
comments below and in your previous posts. Yours is a perspective we
could all benefit from, and while I wish you felt you could post under your
real name, I respect that you choose not to. <br>
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I choose to use my name -- Keely -- and have been open about being THAT Keely
that people may know from my marriage to Jeff, my former position on the school
board, or my very public and passionate criticism of Christ Church. And
so as Keely Emerine Mix, I've taken a lot of the same kind of hits as Debi R-S
has (and, by the way, I consider her a friend and appreciate her gutsy approach
to debate). If you feel that it would be unwise or uncomfortable to be a
target, that's understandable -- more than one person has questioned my sanity
for continuing to stay in the fray, and I periodically go through mini-fasts
from this and other media to re-examine both my conduct and my motives. <br>
<br>
Unfortunately, there's a need to respond coherently and sensibly to Tony's
special brand of bigotry and chomping, foaming hysteria. No other
reasonable human being would consider "raghead" appropriate under any
circumstances, and virtually no one would argue seriously that the
"N" word is "just for gang-bangers" and thus not
necessarily offensive, as you cite in your post. It's disingenuous and
not terribly clever to parade "fag," "gay," and other
examples of English evolving to try to justify using contemptible
epithets. (And woe be it to anyone whose epitaph read that he or she was
a user of racial epithets . . . ). Ignoring Tony would be easy, I'll
grant. But it's necessary that the filth and hatred contained in his
words be exposed, be examined, and be challenged. You
appear to be someone who can do that eloquently and with insight, Walter, and
I'm sorry to lose you.<br>
<br>
And yes, I fully expect to be publicly excoriated by the erudite Mr.
Simpson. I'd care more, but dang -- I have to sweep up cat litter now,
knowing that what I find there is about as pleasant as hearing from Tony.<br>
<br>
keely<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>From: tonytime@clearwire.net<br>
To: don.nergal@gmail.com<br>
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 15:36:28 -0700<br>
CC: vision2020@moscow.com<br>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Parting shots, fired high<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Dear Mr. Timid, Thanks for acknowledging that my
participation in this forum is not un-American after all. Glad we
resolved that wrenching question. As to my determination to force my
beliefs down other's throats, I simply feel that you do not have the right
force your view down our throats: that innocent children should be ripped in
pieces from their mother's womb. For Christ's sake, Mr. hide in the
shadows, which view is more compassionate? Life for the innocent, or
death at your whim? You people are utterly mad!</span></font><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Apparently unsatisfied to reveal yourself as an insensitive
enabler of the culture of death, you then go on to accuse me of redefining
racial "epitaphs." One wonders, surely you meant
epithets? You cannot grasp how one could resent murderous bomb-throwers
and then insult them without having ill will toward any race in
particular. Why must one's use of RAGHEAD or any other term, for that
matter, be viewed from one particular angle of meaning when the English
language evolves regularly? Gay used to mean happy and carefree, now it
means homosexual. Fag once referred to a cigarette, now, well....
You can see how the meaning of terms takes on different meanings over
time. Why am I not allowed to participate in the evolution of
language? You folks have been writing Newspeak for decades. What's
the matter Mr. Timid? Can't take any of your own medicine?</span></font><font
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>As for my comparison of <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Nick Gier</st1:PersonName>
to Josef Mengele: Given Gier's whacked out pronouncements which have
consistently revealed him to be an intellectual mutant, devoid of a soul, I
STAND FIRMLY BY MY CHARGE.</span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>And YOU sir, need to cope with the first amendment and GET
OVER IT!</span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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href="mailto:don.nergal@gmail.com" title="don.nergal@gmail.com">Walter Smith</a>
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href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" title="vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>
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2007 9:46 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Parting shots<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>First, I want to again say thank
you to those willing to participate in this forum, and for the welcome I have
received from most, despite the "drive-by posting" nature of my own
recent semi-participation. Your taking part in this forum, despite the personal
dangers, is courageous and demonstrates that there may still be hope for
democracy. Thank you Debi, in particular, for staying with it, even after
facing the indignities some on here are willing to hurl your way. Despite this,
I do not believe I will actively participate, for a number of reasons. I do not
feel comfortable posting here under my own name (nor do I believe it would be
appropriate for me to do so, at this time), but I dislike anonymous
bomb-throwing. My reason for posting here in the first place was anger, anger
in particular at the recent treatment afforded Mr. Johnson and Mr. Butler. In
all truth, the only reaction I have to much of what takes place on vision2020
is anger, and anger is not something I need to promote in myself. It isn't good
for my blood pressure, nor for my soul. I may from time to time reply on here
again, probably as some new Moscow-special-powder-keg blows up once more. <br>
<br>
I was going to post some of the more offensive responses to my initial joke as
a sort of skin-thickness test; but decided not to, based in part on the fact
that the authors did not decide to make them public themselves, and that while
I would get some visceral pleasure watching the reactions, no real purpose
would be served. I also avoid it, because while intended as a jab at
over-sensitivity, I am about to display my own (perhaps over-) sensitivity on a
particular matter, and the irony would simply be too much. <br>
<br>
On to that sensitivity...<br>
<br>
Mr. Simpson would like to know what exactly he said that I find
"disgusting and un-American", and so I will respond to him here, once
only. In truth, I mis-used the term "un-American," as there is really
little that is more American than arguing politics, particularly with the
vehemence Mr. Simpson demonstrates. What I meant by it is that his posts
generally argue a position I find diametrically opposed to the true greatness
of our American way. He consistently supports an administration that is undermining
our basic freedoms, exemplified by the recent loss of habeas corpus, although
there are many other examples. He supports the authoritarian imposition by
government force of his own personal beliefs, such as denying women the right
to make their own reproductive choices, denying due process to those accused of
terrorism, and denying homosexuals the basic human dignity of marriage. He also
seems to enjoy employing a favorite tactic of the white-supremacist, that being
the tactic of attempting to redefine racial epitaphs. Tony says
"raghead" only applies to terrorists, he has no problem with Arabs
(while also being willfully ignorant of fact that his term actually targets
entirely different groups); The vile hal turner says "nigger" only
applies to gang-bangers, he has no problem with blacks; "spic" only
applies to illegal immigrants, he has no problem with Mexicans; Yeah, right...
More sick fantasies please. These are the things I find
"un-American." While I would not attempt to stop them from saying
what they will, their words do cost them my respect. <br>
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Any right you would deprive others of without due process, is a right you
yourself do not deserve. This is the same basic problem I have with what J Ford
has been saying of late.<br>
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As for what amongst Mr. Simpson's comments I find "disgusting", above
and beyond what I have already said, and the fundamental reason I have little
to no respect for the man: There is really only one thing, that being Mr.
Simpson's comparison of Prof. Gier to mengele. I tend to agree with Godwin,
that anytime a comparison to nazis is made, there is no longer any hope of a
rational conversation. I do understand that in the heat of argument,
inappropriate things will be said, and can certainly be forgiven, even
something so base as a nazi comparison, even something so evil as a comparison
to mengele. But Mr. Simpson did not seek forgiveness after cooling down, nor
did he even recognize the evil he had committed (and yes, I do consider saying
what he said to be an act of evil,) rather he decided to stand by his guns and
reiterate his vile comparison. The things the nazis did are near always beyond
compare, we have thankfully not seen the like for over half a century, and
hopefully never will again (current events, particularly the actions of our
current "leaders", do give me pause, however.) But the things mengele
did go far beyond even typical nazi filth, he was one of the greatest evils
this world has ever faced, and in my opinion far worse even than hitler
himself. Short of the actual re-creation of his atrocities (may that such a
thing never comes to pass,) nothing can compare. Any comparison to anything in
our modern world is inappropriate, only diminishes our collective memory, and
serves to legitimize mengele's deeds. Comparisons to serial killers, to
terrorists, to dictators, to rapists, or to anything else, can only weaken our
understanding and our rage. To make such a comparison to a person who simply
supports a woman's right to make her own choices (even if one were to consider
such a thing murder,) is beyond disgusting. Nick is not kidnapping women and
vivisecting them in the name of science, nor is he even performing abortions,
he is simply pro-choice. Mr. Simpson's words in actuality say nothing about
Prof. Gier, but they do show grave disrespect to those who were tortured and
died at mengele's hands, insult those who laid down their own lives to stop
him, risk legitimizing his crimes (thus putting all our descendants futures at
risk,) and reveal Mr. Simpson himself as a degenerate. <br>
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Sincerely, and at least for now, finally,<br>
Anon<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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