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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dear Mr. Timid, Thanks for acknowledging that my
participation in this forum is not un-American after all. Glad we resolved
that wrenching question. As to my determination to force my beliefs down
other's throats, I simply feel that you do not have the right force your view
down our throats: that innocent children should be ripped in pieces from their
mother's womb. For Christ's sake, Mr. hide in the shadows, which view is
more compassionate? Life for the innocent, or death at your whim?
You people are utterly mad!</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Apparently unsatisfied to reveal yourself as an
insensitive enabler of the culture of death, you then go on to accuse me of
redefining racial "epitaphs." One wonders, surely you meant
epithets? You cannot grasp how one could resent murderous bomb-throwers
and then insult them without having ill will toward any race in
particular. Why must one's use of RAGHEAD or any other term, for that
matter, be viewed from one particular angle of meaning when the English
language evolves regularly? Gay used to mean happy and carefree, now it
means homosexual. Fag once referred to a cigarette, now, well....
You can see how the meaning of terms takes on different meanings over
time. Why am I not allowed to participate in the evolution of
language? You folks have been writing Newspeak for decades. What's
the matter Mr. Timid? Can't take any of your own medicine?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As for my comparison of Nick Gier to Josef
Mengele: Given Gier's whacked out pronouncements which have consistently
revealed him to be an intellectual mutant, devoid of a soul, I STAND FIRMLY BY
MY CHARGE.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>And YOU sir, need to cope with the first amendment
and GET OVER IT!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>With the courage to sign my name,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>TONY</FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=don.nergal@gmail.com href="mailto:don.nergal@gmail.com">Walter
Smith</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, April 16, 2007 9:46
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Vision2020] Parting shots</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>First, I want to again say thank you to those willing to
participate in this forum, and for the welcome I have received from most,
despite the "drive-by posting" nature of my own recent semi-participation.
Your taking part in this forum, despite the personal dangers, is courageous
and demonstrates that there may still be hope for democracy. Thank you Debi,
in particular, for staying with it, even after facing the indignities some on
here are willing to hurl your way. Despite this, I do not believe I will
actively participate, for a number of reasons. I do not feel comfortable
posting here under my own name (nor do I believe it would be appropriate for
me to do so, at this time), but I dislike anonymous bomb-throwing. My reason
for posting here in the first place was anger, anger in particular at the
recent treatment afforded Mr. Johnson and Mr. Butler. In all truth, the only
reaction I have to much of what takes place on vision2020 is anger, and anger
is not something I need to promote in myself. It isn't good for my blood
pressure, nor for my soul. I may from time to time reply on here again,
probably as some new Moscow-special-powder-keg blows up once more. <BR><BR>I
was going to post some of the more offensive responses to my initial joke as a
sort of skin-thickness test; but decided not to, based in part on the fact
that the authors did not decide to make them public themselves, and that while
I would get some visceral pleasure watching the reactions, no real purpose
would be served. I also avoid it, because while intended as a jab at
over-sensitivity, I am about to display my own (perhaps over-) sensitivity on
a particular matter, and the irony would simply be too much. <BR><BR>On to
that sensitivity...<BR><BR>Mr. Simpson would like to know what exactly he said
that I find "disgusting and un-American", and so I will respond to him here,
once only. In truth, I mis-used the term "un-American," as there is really
little that is more American than arguing politics, particularly with the
vehemence Mr. Simpson demonstrates. What I meant by it is that his posts
generally argue a position I find diametrically opposed to the true greatness
of our American way. He consistently supports an administration that is
undermining our basic freedoms, exemplified by the recent loss of habeas
corpus, although there are many other examples. He supports the authoritarian
imposition by government force of his own personal beliefs, such as denying
women the right to make their own reproductive choices, denying due process to
those accused of terrorism, and denying homosexuals the basic human dignity of
marriage. He also seems to enjoy employing a favorite tactic of the
white-supremacist, that being the tactic of attempting to redefine racial
epitaphs. Tony says "raghead" only applies to terrorists, he has no problem
with Arabs (while also being willfully ignorant of fact that his term actually
targets entirely different groups); The vile hal turner says "nigger" only
applies to gang-bangers, he has no problem with blacks; "spic" only applies to
illegal immigrants, he has no problem with Mexicans; Yeah, right... More sick
fantasies please. These are the things I find "un-American." While I would not
attempt to stop them from saying what they will, their words do cost them my
respect. <BR><BR>Any right you would deprive others of without due process, is
a right you yourself do not deserve. This is the same basic problem I have
with what J Ford has been saying of late.<BR><BR>As for what amongst Mr.
Simpson's comments I find "disgusting", above and beyond what I have already
said, and the fundamental reason I have little to no respect for the man:
There is really only one thing, that being Mr. Simpson's comparison of Prof.
Gier to mengele. I tend to agree with Godwin, that anytime a comparison to
nazis is made, there is no longer any hope of a rational conversation. I do
understand that in the heat of argument, inappropriate things will be said,
and can certainly be forgiven, even something so base as a nazi comparison,
even something so evil as a comparison to mengele. But Mr. Simpson did not
seek forgiveness after cooling down, nor did he even recognize the evil he had
committed (and yes, I do consider saying what he said to be an act of evil,)
rather he decided to stand by his guns and reiterate his vile comparison. The
things the nazis did are near always beyond compare, we have thankfully not
seen the like for over half a century, and hopefully never will again (current
events, particularly the actions of our current "leaders", do give me pause,
however.) But the things mengele did go far beyond even typical nazi filth, he
was one of the greatest evils this world has ever faced, and in my opinion far
worse even than hitler himself. Short of the actual re-creation of his
atrocities (may that such a thing never comes to pass,) nothing can compare.
Any comparison to anything in our modern world is inappropriate, only
diminishes our collective memory, and serves to legitimize mengele's deeds.
Comparisons to serial killers, to terrorists, to dictators, to rapists, or to
anything else, can only weaken our understanding and our rage. To make such a
comparison to a person who simply supports a woman's right to make her own
choices (even if one were to consider such a thing murder,) is beyond
disgusting. Nick is not kidnapping women and vivisecting them in the name of
science, nor is he even performing abortions, he is simply pro-choice. Mr.
Simpson's words in actuality say nothing about Prof. Gier, but they do show
grave disrespect to those who were tortured and died at mengele's hands,
insult those who laid down their own lives to stop him, risk legitimizing his
crimes (thus putting all our descendants futures at risk,) and reveal Mr.
Simpson himself as a degenerate. <BR><BR>Sincerely, and at least for now,
finally,<BR>Anon<BR>
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