<DIV>Saundra,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I think you, I, and everyone else knows that you're exaggerating and your post is more about misguided anger and roomer than reality based. Regular Wal-Marts, which Moscow has, don't stock much of anything because of the limited space and huge volumes of basic staples that they have move for consumer needs. Go to any Super Wal-Mart and you can get all your essential office supplies, including a grease pen. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Saundra, as a business owner, would you fill your limited shelf space with items that take 6 months to move and that meet the needs of three consumers, or would you use that shelf space to meet the needs of 10,000 customers in a week instead? Would you like it if it stocked no women's shoes to get more variety of men's shoe? Would you like it to not sell ketchup so it could sell specialty mustards to 20 people?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>See, there is only
so much space. Wal-Mart is AWARE of the problem and wants to add more items to its store so you can purchase what you need. However, a group of people in this town blocked them from being able to expand and create the shelf space for items that you and others need. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Your attitude seems highly hypocritical and contradictory. You attack Wal-Mart for not carrying all the items you need and want, but at the same time attack and seek to prevent them from trying to expand and address this need of not carrying enough items. The irony is uncanny that the people that sought to block merchants from stocking items the community needs are now unable to find what they need in the community? </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Make up your mind which argument you want to use against Wal-Mart. Are they too big, or are they too small? Which is it, Saundra?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Best,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Donovan</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><BR><B><I>Saundra Lund <sslund@roadrunner.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Donovan wrote:<BR>"If you didn't block a Super Walmart from coming into town you could get<BR>your grease pens. Wal Mart knows what their customers want, they even know<BR>which customers want what and how many, when, and the price of every other<BR>grease pen in town."<BR><BR>Sorry, but I have to *vehemently* disagree with Donovan on that. In fact,<BR>it's one of the most laughable claims I've read about Wal-Mart. Back when I<BR>regrettably shopped at Wal-Mart (before I started boycotting it prior to the<BR>whole Super Wal-Mart debate), one of the things I *really* disliked about<BR>shopping there was that THE determining factor about was stocked was all<BR>about volume, volume, volume rather what any individual consumer needed. I<BR>cannot count the
number of times I'd ask where X had been moved to only to<BR>be told that X wasn't stocked anymore because apparently not enough people<BR>in Moscow bought it, and "Wal-Mart only stocks things that there's a high<BR>enough demand to keep it moving off the shelves in a particular store."<BR>And, no -- they wouldn't order a case of it for me to purchase so they<BR>didn't have to worry about stocking it :-(<BR><BR>Just to clarify, this is the story I was told ***many*** times by Wal-Mart<BR>employees up through management -- do you think they were lying to me,<BR>Donovan? I certainly had no reason to think they'd lie -- these were<BR>members of our community who were helpful and apologetic whenever I asked.<BR><BR>It almost felt like some bizarro bait-and-switch strategy: they'd stock<BR>something long enough to get people hooked and then stop stocking it so<BR>consumers would be forced to purchase something else, perhaps something that<BR>Wal-Mart had a higher profit margin
on. Maybe that worked with other<BR>consumers, but all it didn't work with me: when I found something that<BR>worked well for our family & Wal-Mart stopped carrying it, I just purchased<BR>it elsewhere. It was irritating & annoying & less convenient, but it was<BR>really a good thing for me in the long run because I found that lots of<BR>other stores were glad to have me as a regular customer and were more than<BR>willing to provide good customer service by ordering what I needed :-)<BR><BR>Ah -- choice! It's a good thing for consumers, but a bad thing for<BR>Wal-Mart, which is one of many reasons I don't shop at Wal-Mart, Super<BR>Center or not :-)<BR><BR>Somehow, I think the grease pens Mark referred to would fall into the "not<BR>enough volume" category since common cleaning items did: maybe they would<BR>have carried grease pens (although I certainly NEVER saw them there) at some<BR>point, but when enough of them didn't move, they would have
disappeared<BR>without warning and without recourse.<BR><BR>Donovan, if you want to continue to sing the praises of Wal-Mart or Super<BR>Wal-Mart, have at it, but at least have the courtesy to keep it real!<BR><BR><BR>JMHO,<BR>Saundra Lund<BR>Moscow, ID<BR><BR>The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do<BR>nothing.<BR>- Edmund Burke<BR><BR>***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2006 through life plus<BR>70 years, Saundra Lund. Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside<BR>the Vision 2020 forum without the express written permission of the<BR>author.*****<BR><BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com]<BR>On Behalf Of Donovan Arnold<BR>Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 11:01 PM<BR>To: Mark Solomon; vision2020@moscow.com<BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Corridor debate: Daily News<BR><BR>Mark,<BR><BR>If you didn't block a Super Walmart from coming into
town you could get your<BR>grease pens. Wal Mart knows what their customers want, they even know which<BR>customers want what and how many, when, and the price of every other grease<BR>pen in town.<BR><BR>Best,<BR><BR>Donovan <BR><BR>Mark Solomon <MSOLOMON@MOSCOW.COM>wrote:<BR><BR>I fail to see how big boxes help local businesses. The Local<BR>Business I Miss Most That Was Pushed Out By Big Boxes (maybe we can have an<BR>annual competition if Hawkins somehow makes it past the legal water hurdles)<BR>is Ken's Stationery, driven out by Staples and Office Depot. Sure, I can buy<BR>paper and ink and all kinds of stuff cheaper now but there are whole<BR>categories of items that can now no longer be found in town. Simple things<BR>too, like white grease pencils that my favorite place to buy wine uses to<BR>mark the prices on their wares with. That merchant now has to go to Spokane<BR>for a grease pencil! Local businesses know what their local customers want<BR>and stock their
shelves accordingly. Big boxes know what a national<BR>composite consumer wants and provides those items. Everyone, raise your<BR>glass: Here's to big box cultural homogenization!<BR><BR>m.<BR><BR>At 7:05 PM -0700 4/14/07, Donovan Arnold wrote:<BR><BR>Mark,<BR><BR><BR><BR>I didn't say people concerned about water conservation have<BR>to be liberal. I think all people, should be.<BR><BR><BR><BR>Your stance against the Hawkins development is hurting local<BR>businesses. Your stance against a Super Wal Mart hurt small businesses in<BR>the Eastside Mall that were banking on the increase in traffic to the area.<BR><BR><BR><BR>I don't know of any businesses you have supported. Only ones<BR>you are against.<BR><BR><BR><BR>I am surprised you are unaware that Palouse Mall is evicting<BR>small local businesses. The laundry store is out next month. You can also<BR>call Market Time gifts, the Military Recruiters, Hunters, and any other<BR>businesses you noticed disappeared. They are
being kicked out or forced to<BR>pay HUGE rental prices. The owners of the mall only want big chain stores in<BR>there. The Palouse Mall can charge whatever they want because no other malls<BR>on the palouse exist.<BR><BR><BR><BR>I honestly think you are harming the community when you pull<BR>this stuff. A Hawkins Mall is the only think that will allow local<BR>businesses equal footing in the retail establishment.<BR><BR><BR><BR>Best,<BR><BR><BR><BR>Donovan<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Mark Solomon <MSOLOMON@MOSCOW.COM>wrote:<BR><BR><BR>At 6:00 PM -0700 4/14/07, Donovan Arnold wrote:<BR><BR>Donovan,<BR><BR><BR>Examine the record instead of "understanding". I was<BR>not involved in any way with the Naylor Farm issue unless you consider<BR>serving on the county's Groundwater Task Force with such other liberals as<BR>Dan Carscallen and Cindy Agidius as somehow related to Naylor (which it<BR>wasn't despite Naylor's allegations to that effect). It would have been<BR>unethical for me
to be involved, even if I had wanted to be which I didn't,<BR>as I was employed by the county at the time on the hydrogeological project.<BR>I never even knew James Toyota was moving until I read it in the paper and<BR>certainly have not registered any comments with anyone about that either.<BR>Businesses being evicted from the Mall? Give me a break. I don't have the<BR>faintest idea what you are referring to.<BR><BR><BR>If your test for being unfriendly to business is<BR>telling SuperWalmart to stay out of town, then call me unfriendly to<BR>business. If your test is unmitigated devotion to big box chains over local<BR>businesses, then call me unfriendly to business. But that's the only place<BR>you'll have to stand.<BR><BR><BR>m.<BR><BR><BR>Mark,<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>My understanding is that you also blocked<BR>Naylor Farms, clay extraction, the expansion of James Toyota, and other<BR>business that are being evicted from the Palouse Mall. You also helped<BR>create a
reputation with others that Moscow is not business friendly. Thus<BR>this has resulted in other businesses that won't attempt to open a business<BR>in Moscow.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>The revenue saved by cheaper food and retail<BR>items, prescription drugs, etc, could have been used to support other<BR>industries as well and made life a little easier for the poor.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>You realize it is the poor, the elderly,<BR>disabled, and minorities that work, shop, and benefit from Wal-Mart?<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>My high blood pressure would be going<BR>untreated if it weren't for the $3 a month prescription drug that ONLY<BR>Wal-Mart gives.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Wal-Mart is not predatory. It provides high<BR>paying jobs to people. It hires people others won't. It has an overall<BR>positive impact on the economy:<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>http://www.globalinsight.com/About/PressRelease/PressRelease2439.htm<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>I believe that Wal-Mart wanted
a<BR>Super-Walmart, so it applied in both areas in the hopes that it would<BR>prevail in one.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Best,<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Donovan<BR><BR>Mark Solomon <MSOLOMON@MOSCOW.COM>wrote:<BR><BR><BR>Donovan,<BR><BR><BR>"Every business you have blocked,<BR>Super Wal-Mart, on down the line"<BR><BR><BR><BR>While I'll certainly take part of<BR>the credit for keeping a predator like SuperWalmart out of town, please tell<BR>me what other stores I have blocked. I can't recall any. And by the way,<BR>SuperWalmart was well on the way towards opening a Pullman store before they<BR>ever even applied to build one in Moscow. As I've said previously (today),<BR>there is 40+ acres zoned and ready to build on in Moscow for big boxes, hate<BR>them as I do.<BR><BR><BR><BR>As far as the research I don't have<BR>time to dig around for: it's there. I've read it and I consider myself a<BR>truthful guy. If you want to refer me to your source for<BR><BR><BR><BR>" retail stores and
services near<BR>Super-Walmart do excellent"<BR><BR><BR><BR>and make sure that it discusses<BR>existing mall retail space, not new big boxes, I'll be glad to read it and<BR>continue the discussion.<BR><BR><BR><BR>m.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Mark,<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>I wish you would make the<BR>time to review your research. I think you would find that retail stores and<BR>services near Super-Walmart do excellent. It is the businesses that are far<BR>away that suffer. When people cannot find what they are looking for at<BR>Wal-Mart, which is frequent, they go to nearby businesses, not to another<BR>section of town. When people are out shopping, they also visit restaurants<BR>and other service industries nearby.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>I think the community is<BR>indebted to you and others that attempt to raise awareness of our<BR>environment and the limits of resources. I applaud the efforts of the you,<BR>the city, and many others in reducing water consumption by 15%
over the last<BR>two years.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>You wrote:<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>"The City is actively<BR>exploring alternative water sources. Assuming those actions continue we can<BR>as a community decide to spend some of the water capital we've saved on<BR>other uses."<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>I don't agree that we should<BR>take a socialist approach to business development as your actions and words<BR>seems to advocate. Private individuals have the right to establish<BR>businesses with their own capital that is at risk when invested. Consumers<BR>decide which businesses stay and go by supporting or not supporting the<BR>business. We as a community can establish regulations on all businesses<BR>equally. However, I think those restrictions are so severe that they are<BR>damaging the community while not preventing the extraction of our resources<BR>which you seek to protect because they simple go over the boarder.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Every
business you have<BR>blocked, Super Wal-Mart, on down the line, simply moves across the boarder,<BR>and they are still going to extract the same amount of resources. The only<BR>difference is that the tax revenue is going to Washington, Whitman, and<BR>Pullman rather than Idaho, Latah, and Moscow. Why a reasonably intelligent<BR>person such as yourself cannot see that is what is happening is puzzling to<BR>me.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Best to you,<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Donovan<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Mark Solomon<BR><MSOLOMON@MOSCOW.COM>wrote:<BR><BR><BR>Donovan,<BR><BR><BR><BR>I don't have time<BR>right now to dig out the original cite, but the research that has been done<BR>suggests strongly that rather than drawing new customers to old malls<BR>located by new big box developments they instead are their death knell.<BR>Newer, shinier, prettier, more "hip", etc: the attributes of consumer<BR>culture apply to architectural
space as well as personal buying choices.<BR><BR><BR><BR>I was here when the<BR>Moscow Mall opened and you're absolutely correct.. it's been a dud since day<BR>one when it opened almost simultaneously with the Palouse Mall. As you say,<BR>location is everything and being closer to the Pullman consumer is a winner<BR>for the Palouse mall. It is why I support development, if it is going to<BR>occur, on the 40 acres already zoned for motor business behind the Palouse<BR>mall. Depending on the type of businesses contemplated there, water could be<BR>an issue, but it is one that we can address as a community. Moscow residents<BR>have reduced their water demand by about 15% in the past two years in<BR>response to the call for water conservation. The City is actively exploring<BR>alternative water sources. Assuming those actions continue we can as a<BR>community decide to spend some of the water capital we've saved on other<BR>uses.<BR><BR><BR><BR>m.<BR><BR><BR><BR>At 3:44 PM
-0700<BR>4/14/07, Donovan Arnold wrote:<BR><BR><BR>Mark,<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>If you built<BR>the best mall on the far side of the moon would it get much business?<BR>Location is is everything in business and the Eastside Mall doesn't have<BR>much of one. That mall would be bumpin though if a Super Wal-Mart was put<BR>across the street.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>You should<BR>have seen that mall when it was the Moscow Mall. You could have fired a<BR>cannon down the center of it and not killed a soul.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Best,<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Donovan<BR><BR><BR>And<BR>that somehow explains the, ahem, "under-occupancy rate" at the Eastside<BR>Mall?<BR><BR><BR><BR>m.<BR><BR><BR><BR>At<BR>2:43 PM -0700 4/14/07, Donovan Arnold wrote:<BR><BR><BR><BR>Tom,<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Businesses went under in the Palouse Mall because the Mall owners raised the<BR>rent really high so many left. A new mall will create competition and
serve<BR>as a check on the lease prices. Also, the mall kicked out many smaller<BR>businesses that are locally owned in favor of big chain stores. Market Time<BR>Gifts was one forced out. The mall owners won't even let Book People in<BR>there.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>It would be nice to have a mall that supports local business owners and<BR>counters the over inflated rent prices. This is the free market at work.<BR>One guy jacks his rates to the roof, so another builds one for cheaper.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Best,<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Donovan<BR><BR><BR><BR>Tom Hansen <IDAHOTOM@HOTMAIL.COM>wrote:<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Building more malls is NOT the answer. How many businesses have come and<BR><BR>gone from the Palouse Mall? And your answer is to build another mall?<BR><BR><BR><BR>That reminds me of a joke:<BR><BR><BR><BR>John and Jerry were buying widgets from a manufacturing warehouse at a<BR><BR>dollar each. To develop and exapnd a
customer base they decided to undercut<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>their competition by selling their widgets at 80 cents a piece.<BR><BR><BR><BR>Sure enough, customers were flocking to get more and more widgets from John<BR><BR>and Jerry. John realized that the more widgets the customers purchased, the<BR><BR>more widgets John and Jerry had to buy from the manufacturing warehouse.<BR><BR>Joh also realized that somehow they were losing money on this venture. John<BR><BR>approached Jerry and asked him what could be done to avoid further loss.<BR><BR>Jerry's response was, "Simple. We will get a larger truck."<BR><BR><BR><BR>Like John and Jerr's predicament, building another mall here in Moscow will<BR><BR>not solve anything.<BR><BR><BR><BR>We need to expand on career-oriented, professional jobs. As more and more<BR><BR>people move to Moscow seeking professional employment in a career-oriented<BR><BR>job, the more appealing another mall will be for retailers who will
be<BR><BR>targeting more than just the college-age customer.<BR><BR><BR><BR>Tom Hansen<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>>From: "Matt Decker"<BR><BR>>To: thansen@moscow.com, donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com, msolomon@moscow.com,<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>> lfalen@turbonet.com, jampot@adelphia.net, vision2020@moscow.com<BR><BR>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Corridor debate: Daily News<BR><BR>>Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 13:18:40 -0700<BR><BR>><BR><BR>>Tom,<BR><BR>><BR><BR>>I do agree conservation and prevention should be on all our minds. Not just<BR><BR>>water, but also electricity, fossil fuels, and such.<BR><BR>><BR><BR>>What I can't foresee, is why a company would want to move here. We have<BR><BR>>very little to offer. Very limited businesses, resturaunts, shopping areas,<BR><BR>>etc.<BR><BR>><BR><BR>>I don't see how adding a costco, olive garden, red lobster, old navy, and<BR><BR>>whatever else comes into mind will kill our "perfect" little
town. We could<BR><BR>>stand to grow a little without taking away the soul of our great little<BR><BR>>community.<BR><BR>><BR><BR>>All of these will help draw in the bussiness types we would all hope for.<BR><BR>>With this current Mayor and council nothing will happen. She will focus on<BR><BR>>getting rid of poeple who oppose her. Instead of worrying about a $134,000<BR><BR>>fine we have now received from the feds. Along with keeping/seeking a<BR><BR>>conservation driven growth policy. Something that is very possible with our<BR><BR>>technology.<BR><BR>><BR><BR>>Meantime, we lose bigtime money from our neighbors who seem to get it.<BR><BR>>Moscow and Pullman need to both thrive for conservation.<BR><BR>><BR><BR>>Matt<BR><BR>><BR><BR>><BR><BR>>>From: "Tom Hansen"<BR><BR>>>To: "'Matt Decker'" ,<BR><BR>>>, ,<BR><BR>>>, ,<BR><BR>>><BR><BR>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Corridor debate: Daily
News<BR><BR>>>Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 08:28:24 -0700<BR><BR>>><BR><BR>>>I have no problem with housing development. As Moscow expands housing<BR><BR>>>development becomes an absolute necessity. Tacking on another<BR><BR><BR><BR>>>mega-shopping<BR><BR>>>center isn't.<BR><BR>>><BR><BR>>>We have enough shopping malls to support the population of Moscow (as well<BR><BR>>>as Pullman). What we need is expansion of career-oriented professions<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>>>here<BR><BR>>>in Vandalville. More shelf-stockers and fast-food egg flippers merely<BR><BR>>>doesn’t fit the bill.<BR><BR>>><BR><BR>>>As professional, career-oriented jobs develop and grow in Moscow, more<BR><BR>>>students will opt to stick around after graduation. Housing developments<BR><BR>>>will increase along with the tax base.<BR><BR>>><BR><BR>>>Until we can calculate just how much water remains in the
aquifer, we must<BR><BR>>>assume a defensive posture.<BR><BR>>><BR><BR>>>If not, what will we do when the faucets run dry?<BR><BR>>><BR><BR>>>Tom Hansen<BR><BR>>>Moscow, Idaho<BR><BR>>><BR><BR>>>"We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students. The college<BR><BR>>>students are not very active in local elections (thank goodness!)."<BR><BR>>><BR><BR>>>- Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)<BR><BR>>>-----Original Message-----<BR><BR>>>From: Matt Decker [mailto:mattd2107@hotmail.com]<BR><BR>>>Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 8:08 AM<BR><BR>>>To: thansen@moscow.com; donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com; msolomon@moscow.com;<BR><BR>>>lfalen@turbonet.com; jampot@adelphia.net; vision2020@moscow.com<BR><BR>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Corridor debate: Daily News<BR><BR>>><BR><BR>>>Tom,<BR><BR>>><BR><BR>>>You stated"If we allow unlimited<BR><BR>>> >use of
the aquifer by corporate "gluttons", it will disappear and our<BR><BR>>> >citizens will suffer. We must restrict access to our limited water<BR><BR>>> >sources<BR><BR>>> >until another source is identified and put into use."<BR><BR>>><BR><BR>>>So are suggesting that we stop all houses being built? Maybe even a high<BR><BR>>>tech industrial baised company moving into Moscow? All this while Pullman<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>>>catapults itself way ahead of us, and continues to drill new wells which<BR><BR>>>draw from the same water source. Thus drawing more business, residents,<BR><BR>>>and<BR><BR>>>tax revenue, most of which is beneficial to the area. Granted, some such<BR><BR>>>as<BR><BR>>>a Walmart I could go without. Along with growth would become more problems<BR><BR>>>too. However, the ending result will most likely create a better community<BR><BR>>>with more
options.<BR><BR>>><BR><BR>>>Matt<BR><BR>>><BR><BR>>> >From: "Tom Hansen"<BR><BR>>> >To: "'Donovan Arnold'" , "'Mark<BR><BR>>> >Solomon'" , "'lfalen'"<BR><BR>>>,<BR><BR>>><BR><BR>>> > "'g. crabtree'" ,<BR><BR>>> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Corridor debate: Daily News<BR><BR>>> >Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 06:05:17 -0700<BR><BR>>> ><BR><BR>>> >Arnold stated:<BR><BR>>> ><BR><BR>>> ><BR><BR>>> ><BR><BR>>> >"Mr. Solomon's ideas are not based on economic realities and don't solve<BR><BR>>> >the<BR><BR>>> >water problem, it just prolongs it."<BR><BR>>> ><BR><BR>>> ><BR><BR>>> ><BR><BR>>> >So, you are admitting that there is a water problem. If we allow<BR><BR>>>unlimited<BR><BR>>> >use of the aquifer by corporate "gluttons", it will disappear and our<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>>>
>citizens will suffer. We must restrict access to our limited water<BR><BR>>> >sources<BR><BR>>> >until another source is identified and put into use.<BR><BR>>> ><BR><BR>>> ><BR><BR>>> ><BR><BR>>> >Arnold goes on . . .<BR><BR>>> ><BR><BR>>> ><BR><BR>>> ><BR><BR>>> >"Thinking we shouldn't have stocking and service orientated jobs for<BR><BR>>> >students I think is a bad idea. First, those lower paying jobs should go<BR><BR>>>to<BR><BR>>> >college students, not 40 year olds trying to make a living; somebody has<BR><BR>>>to<BR><BR>>> >ask, "Would you like fries with that?" And I don't think it should be<BR><BR>>> >people<BR><BR>>> >middle aged with Master's in Environmental Science."<BR><BR>=== message truncated ===</BLOCKQUOTE><BR><p> 
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