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<div>Donovan,</div>
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<div>I don't have time right now to dig out the original cite, but the
research that has been done suggests strongly that rather than drawing
new customers to old malls located by new big box developments they
instead are their death knell. Newer, shinier, prettier, more
"hip", etc: the attributes of consumer culture apply to
architectural space as well as personal buying choices.</div>
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<div>I was here when the Moscow Mall opened and you're absolutely
correct.. it's been a dud since day one when it opened almost
simultaneously with the Palouse Mall. As you say, location is
everything and being closer to the Pullman consumer is a winner for
the Palouse mall. It is why I support development, if it is going to
occur, on the 40 acres already zoned for motor business behind the
Palouse mall. Depending on the type of businesses contemplated there,
water could be an issue, but it is one that we can address as a
community. Moscow residents have reduced their water demand by about
15% in the past two years in response to the call for water
conservation. The City is actively exploring alternative water
sources.<u> Assuming those actions continue</u> we can as a community
decide to spend some of the water capital we've saved on other
uses.</div>
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<div>m.</div>
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<div>At 3:44 PM -0700 4/14/07, Donovan Arnold wrote:</div>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>Mark,</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite> </blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>If you built the best mall on the far
side of the moon would it get much business? Location is is everything
in business and the Eastside Mall doesn't have much of one. That mall
would be bumpin though if a Super Wal-Mart was put across the
street.</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite> </blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>You should have seen that mall when it
was the Moscow Mall. You could have fired a cannon down the center of
it and not killed a soul.</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite> </blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>Best,</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite> </blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>Donovan<br>
<blockquote>And that somehow explains the, ahem, "under-occupancy
rate" at the Eastside Mall?</blockquote>
<blockquote><br></blockquote>
<blockquote>m.</blockquote>
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<blockquote>At 2:43 PM -0700 4/14/07, Donovan Arnold wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>Tom,<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<blockquote> <br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>Businesses went under in the Palouse
Mall because the Mall owners raised the rent really high
so many left. A new mall will create competition and serve as a
check on the lease prices. Also, the mall kicked out many smaller
businesses that are locally owned in favor of big chain stores.
Market Time Gifts was one forced out. The mall owners won't even
let Book People in there.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote> <br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>It would be nice to have a mall that supports local
business owners and counters the over inflated rent prices.
This is the free market at work. One guy jacks his rates to the
roof, so another builds one for cheaper.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote> <br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>Best,<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>Donovan<br>
<br>
<i><b>Tom Hansen <idahotom@hotmail.com></b></i> wrote:<br>
<blockquote>Building more malls is NOT the answer. How many businesses
have come and<br>
gone from the Palouse Mall? And your answer is to build another
mall?<br>
<br>
That reminds me of a joke:<br>
<br>
John and Jerry were buying widgets from a manufacturing warehouse at
a<br>
dollar each. To develop and exapnd a customer base they decided to
undercut<br>
their competition by selling their widgets at 80 cents a piece.<br>
<br>
Sure enough, customers were flocking to get more and more widgets from
John<br>
and Jerry. John realized that the more widgets the customers
purchased, the<br>
more widgets John and Jerry had to buy from the manufacturing
warehouse.<br>
Joh also realized that somehow they were losing money on this venture.
John<br>
approached Jerry and asked him what could be done to avoid further
loss.<br>
Jerry's response was, "Simple. We will get a larger
truck."<br>
<br>
Like John and Jerr's predicament, building another mall here in Moscow
will<br>
not solve anything.<br>
<br>
We need to expand on career-oriented, professional jobs. As more and
more<br>
people move to Moscow seeking professional employment in a
career-oriented<br>
job, the more appealing another mall will be for retailers who will
be<br>
targeting more than just the college-age customer.<br>
<br>
Tom Hansen<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
>From: "Matt Decker"<br>
>To: thansen@moscow.com, donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com,
msolomon@moscow.com,</blockquote>
<blockquote>> lfalen@turbonet.com, jampot@adelphia.net,
vision2020@moscow.com<br>
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Corridor debate: Daily News<br>
>Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 13:18:40 -0700<br>
><br>
>Tom,<br>
><br>
>I do agree conservation and prevention should be on all our minds.
Not just<br>
>water, but also electricity, fossil fuels, and such.<br>
><br>
>What I can't foresee, is why a company would want to move here. We
have<br>
>very little to offer. Very limited businesses, resturaunts,
shopping areas,<br>
>etc.<br>
><br>
>I don't see how adding a costco, olive garden, red lobster, old
navy, and<br>
>whatever else comes into mind will kill our "perfect"
little town. We could<br>
>stand to grow a little without taking away the soul of our great
little<br>
>community.<br>
><br>
>All of these will help draw in the bussiness types we would all
hope for.<br>
>With this current Mayor and council nothing will happen. She will
focus on<br>
>getting rid of poeple who oppose her. Instead of worrying about a
$134,000<br>
>fine we have now received from the feds. Along with
keeping/seeking a<br>
>conservation driven growth policy. Something that is very possible
with our<br>
>technology.<br>
><br>
>Meantime, we lose bigtime money from our neighbors who seem to get
it.<br>
>Moscow and Pullman need to both thrive for conservation.<br>
><br>
>Matt<br>
><br>
><br>
>>From: "Tom Hansen"<br>
>>To: "'Matt Decker'" ,<br>
>>, ,<br>
>>, ,<br>
>><br>
>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Corridor debate: Daily News<br>
>>Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 08:28:24 -0700<br>
>><br>
>>I have no problem with housing development. As Moscow expands
housing<br>
>>development becomes an absolute necessity. Tacking on
another<br>
>>mega-shopping<br>
>>center isn't.<br>
>><br>
>>We have enough shopping malls to support the population of
Moscow (as well<br>
>>as Pullman). What we need is expansion of career-oriented
professions<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>>>here<br>
>>in Vandalville. More shelf-stockers and fast-food egg flippers
merely<br>
>>doesn’t fit the bill.<br>
>><br>
>>As professional, career-oriented jobs develop and grow in
Moscow, more<br>
>>students will opt to stick around after graduation. Housing
developments<br>
>>will increase along with the tax base.<br>
>><br>
>>Until we can calculate just how much water remains in the
aquifer, we must<br>
>>assume a defensive posture.<br>
>><br>
>>If not, what will we do when the faucets run dry?<br>
>><br>
>>Tom Hansen<br>
>>Moscow, Idaho<br>
>><br>
>>"We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college
students. The college<br>
>>students are not very active in local elections (thank
goodness!)."<br>
>><br>
>>- Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)<br>
>>-----Original Message-----<br>
>>From: Matt Decker [mailto:mattd2107@hotmail.com]<br>
>>Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 8:08 AM<br>
>>To: thansen@moscow.com; donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com;
msolomon@moscow.com;<br>
>>lfalen@turbonet.com; jampot@adelphia.net;
vision2020@moscow.com<br>
>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Corridor debate: Daily News<br>
>><br>
>>Tom,<br>
>><br>
>>You stated"If we allow unlimited<br>
>> >use of the aquifer by corporate "gluttons", it
will disappear and our<br>
>> >citizens will suffer. We must restrict access to our
limited water<br>
>> >sources<br>
>> >until another source is identified and put into
use."<br>
>><br>
>>So are suggesting that we stop all houses being built? Maybe
even a high<br>
>>tech industrial baised company moving into Moscow? All this
while Pullman<br>
>>catapults itself way ahead of us, and continues to drill new
wells which<br>
>>draw from the same water source. Thus drawing more business,
residents,<br>
>>and<br>
>>tax revenue, most of which is beneficial to the area. Granted,
some such<br>
>>as<br>
>>a Walmart I could go without. Along with growth would become
more problems<br>
>>too. However, the ending result will most likely create a
better community<br>
>>with more options.<br>
>><br>
>>Matt<br>
>><br>
>> >From: "Tom Hansen"<br>
>> >To: "'Donovan Arnold'" , "'Mark<br>
>> >Solomon'" , "'lfalen'"<br>
>>,<br>
>><br>
>> > "'g. crabtree'" ,<br>
>> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Corridor debate: Daily News<br>
>> >Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 06:05:17 -0700<br>
>> ><br>
>> >Arnold stated:<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> >"Mr. Solomon's ideas are not based on economic
realities and don't solve<br>
>> >the<br>
>> >water problem, it just prolongs it."<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> >So, you are admitting that there is a water problem. If
we allow<br>
>>unlimited<br>
>> >use of the aquifer by corporate "gluttons", it
will disappear and our</blockquote>
<blockquote>>> >citizens will suffer. We must restrict access
to our limited water<br>
>> >sources<br>
>> >until another source is identified and put into use.<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> >Arnold goes on . . .<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> >"Thinking we shouldn't have stocking and service
orientated jobs for<br>
>> >students I think is a bad idea. First, those lower paying
jobs should go<br>
>>to<br>
>> >college students, not 40 year olds trying to make a
living; somebody has<br>
>>to<br>
>> >ask, "Would you like fries with that?" And I
don't think it should be<br>
>> >people<br>
>> >middle aged with Master's in Environmental
Science."<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> >Our community NEEDS career-oriented, professional jobs if
it is to<br>
>>compete.<br>
>> >If Moscow were to limit its growth to those
minimum-wage,<br>
>>service-oriented<br>
>> >jobs you reference, those 10,000 college students
(referenced by Dale<br>
>> >Courtney below) will simply graduate and move on to
greener pastures<br>
>>away<br>
>> >from Moscow.<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> >Question: What 40 year olds and local residents
"with Master's in<br>
>> >Environmental Science" are you aware of that are
hold these jobs at fast<br>
>> >food outlets? I have lived here in Moscow for 15 years.
All I have<br>
>>seen<br>
>> >are college students working at local fast food
restaurants (as well as<br>
>> >bartenders at my favorite haunts).<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> >Tom Hansen<br>
>> ><br>
>> >Moscow, Idaho<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> >"We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college
students. The college<br>
>> >students are not very active in local elections (thank
goodness!)."<br>
>> ><br>
>> >- Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)<br>
>> ><br>
>><br>
>><br>
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