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I sincerely doubt that Sue Hovey would have difficulty understanding the logic behind anything you wrote. It's the tortured lack thereof that might cause difficulty. <br><br>Receiving hard-earned retirement benefits from a system paid into over the course of one's employment is not "owning stock," Donovan. Moscow has benefited enormously from the work of Sue and other public employees; I hardly think that we'd all be better off if they decided to work at Howard Hughes instead so as to steer clear of the evil that is PERSI. <br><br>Further, the merging of moral and economic decisions is not as easy as you pretend, although perhaps it is easier for some than for others. I generally choose not to shop at Wal-Mart for the things I need. I'm not of the "death before cheap plastic crap" persuasion, but I am grateful that I have the choice to shop elsewhere. I'd rather buy my books at Bookpeople, for example, than at Hastings, and I'd rather buy my T-shirts from Tri-State than from Wal-Mart. Sometimes, though, there is a greater benefit to shopping at Wal-Mart. <br><br>For example, my friend Ellen is quite ill with cancer and her long-term prognosis is not good. Her daughter sent her pictures of her grandchildren on disk; Ellen was thrilled and asked me to take her to Wal-Mart to get them developed. Ellen has no transportation, little money, and not much of a future. Would you prefer that I lecture her on the other locally-owned and chain picture-developing options that abound? Lecture her and then take her? Refuse to take her? Or shut the hell up and make an afternoon of it?<br><br>I'll let you guess, but I'll also tell you that we ate trans-fats for lunch, because Ellen loves french fries. I'm generally opposed to junk food, Donovan, but I'm terribly fond of Ellen. If Ellen wants to eat french fries, then I will join her in a celebration of tubers and trans-fats, straight from the fryer if it makes her more comfortable. <br><br>I've never once said that you or anyone else can't shop at Wal-Mart, and I don't know anyone who has acted to shut their Moscow store down. An inability to make distinctions in argument and in ethics is an indication of someone who lacks the capacity to engage in reasoned debate but hopes that it won't be noticed if he shouts loudly enough.<br><br>keely<br><br><blockquote><hr>Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 18:49:56 -0700<br>From: donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com<br>To: suehovey@moscow.com; vision2020@moscow.com<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Moscow's Leading Liberals Own Stock in Wal-Mart<br><br><div>Sue,</div> <div> </div> <div>Perhaps my last post was so long you could not understand the logic behind it.</div> <div> </div> <div>My logic on the issue is simple;</div> <div> </div> <div>If I believe that a business is using slave labor, I don't exchange money with it, make excuses for it, then blame others for what I am doing. </div> <div> </div> <div>The Devil makes you do it, Sue? Is that why you are justified in perpetuating what you believe to be slave labor? </div> <div> </div> <div>Best,</div> <div> </div> <div>Donovan</div> <div><br><b><i>Sue Hovey <suehovey@moscow.com></i></b> wrote:</div> <blockquote class="EC_replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px;"> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Golly Donovan, your sense of illogic (that must be a word) is truly
consistent. And you get the last word. I think I don't need it. <br><br>Sue</font></div> <blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px;"> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">----- Original Message ----- </div> <div style="background: rgb(228, 228, 228) none repeat scroll 0% 50%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial; font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>From:</b> <a title="donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</a> </div> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b> <a title="suehovey@moscow.com" href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">Sue Hovey</a> ; <a title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a> </div> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 10, 2007 11:40 AM</div> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Moscow's Leading Liberals Own Stock in Wal-Mart</div> <div><br></div> <div>Sue,</div> <div> </div> <div>1st Point. I don't
have a problem with Wal-Mart. So I don't have a problem with PERSI. I have a problem with people bashing Wal-Mart but taking money from them, regardless of age, they know better.</div> <div> </div> <div>2nd Point. If liberals stopped giving money to PERSI, they would stop investing in Wal-Mart. Pretty simple concept. If liberals stopped investing in PERSI for that reason, their handlers would for obvious economic reasons, would stop investing in Wal-Mart. It is called free market economics, and it works better than protests and lobbying. </div> <div> </div> <div>3rd Point. I am, for the proper treatment of the elderly, not for some people to have the right to do wrong simply because they reach a certain age, as you seem to be advocating. </div> <div> </div> <div>4th Point. I would not advocate for euthanasia as you are stating. That is called suicide, it is a selfish act that goes against everything I believe. We are put here
not by own will, and we leave this world not at our own will. <strong>However, what we do while we are here, and the actions we take are our own will. </strong></div> <div><strong></strong> </div> <div>5th Point. I have worked in a nursing homes, doing things for them nobody else would. So I don't need to prove myself to you or anyone else as to my dedication to their dignity. </div> <div> </div> <div>6th Point. I didn't vote for Bush and only for a few in Boise. </div> <div> </div> <div>Best,</div> <div> </div> <div>Donovan <br><br><b><i>Sue Hovey <suehovey@moscow.com></i></b> wrote:</div> <blockquote class="EC_replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px;"> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Donovan,</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">1st point: Many, perhaps
most, of those who receive money from PERSI are elderly--certainly I am.</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">2nd point: I am going to assume your self-touted compassion for the elderly extends only to those who aren't liberals receiving money from PERSI. Obviously our needs mean little to you. </font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">3rd point: I have 3 sources of income: PERSI, which constitutes about 65% of my retirement income; Social Security, which is about 30%, and some funding I receive through my work as an educational consultant. Yes, I gladly take my money from PERSI, quite a bit of which comes from my contributions over the 30 years I worked as a teacher. </font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">4th point: I appreciate your pointing out PERSI's investments and I will continue to lobby the PERSI investment board to back off its investments which I feel to be an inappropriate use of
teachers' retirement funds. </font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">5th point: Now why don't you do something productive for the elderly, such as I. I would suggest a significant effort on your part to lobby the president or our policy makers from Idaho (you are more likely to have elected them than I.) Maybe a policy change that would allow the government to negotiate with drug companies for Medicare recipients, or a law which would allow us to die with dignity at a time of our choice, should we be incurably ill. I just bet you have as much pull with those folks as I do with the PERSI Board, so hop to it, chum. </font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Sue</font></div> <blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px;"> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">----- Original Message ----- </div> <div style="background: rgb(228, 228, 228) none repeat scroll 0% 50%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial; font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>From:</b> <a title="donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</a> </div> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b> <a title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a> </div> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 09, 2007 11:39 PM</div> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b> [Vision2020] Moscow's Leading Liberals Own Stock in Wal-Mart</div> <div><br></div> <div>It is interesting to hear all the liberals in Moscow complain about how horrible Wal-Mart is, yet they gladly take their retirement funds from PERSI. </div> <div> </div> <div>PERSI invests in Wal-Mart. As well as Exxon Mobile and Bank of Illegals (AKA Bank of America). </div> <div> </div> <div>Look yourself:</div> <div><a href="http://www.persi.idaho.gov/html/generalinformation/Board/Monthly_Report/PERSI_2D_Larg_Public_Holds.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.persi.idaho.gov/html/generalinformation/Board/Monthly_Report/PERSI_2D_Larg_Public_Holds.pdf</a></div> <div> </div> <div>I am curious to see how many of them back out of PERSI since it is profit made from sweatshops.</div> <div> </div> <div>Best,</div> <div> </div> <div>Donovan</div> <div> <hr size="1"> <a href="http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49678/*http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL" target="_blank">Get your own web address.</a><br>Have a HUGE year through <a href="http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49678/*http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL" target="_blank">Yahoo! Small Business.</a> <div> <hr> <div></div>=======================================================<br> List services made available by First Step Internet, <br> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.
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