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<DIV><FONT face=Verdana>Sorry Tony, but I am definitely not interested in having
sex with you. But I applaud your starting to get in touch with some of
your sexual feelings.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>W.</DIV>
<DIV><B></B> </DIV>
<DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=tonytime@clearwire.net
href="mailto:tonytime@clearwire.net">Tony</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=deco@moscow.com href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">Art
Deco</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, March 18, 2007 8:42 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] The maladjusted and those who enable
them...</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Wayne, kiss my ass already, will you?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Best, -T</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
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<A title=deco@moscow.com href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">Art Deco</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Vision 2020</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, March 18, 2007 6:31
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] The maladjusted
and those who enable them...</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Verdana>Thank you Tony for proving among others the following
point:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana color=#0000ff>"Does this not remind you of the
braggarts about their sexual exploits and fertility whose wives and
girlfriends frequently leave them for poor or non-performance, or compensate
for their lack of sexual prowess by having affairs with others more skilled or
take up needlepoint? Or which braggarts secretly share
Haggard's desires more strongly than their heterosexual desires?"</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana>W.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=tonytime@clearwire.net href="mailto:tonytime@clearwire.net">Tony</A>
</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=deco@moscow.com href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">Art
Deco</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, March 17, 2007 7:37 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] The maladjusted and those who enable
them...</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Wayner, did it ever cross your mind that
perhaps Dale was simply acknowledging reality with his use of the moniker
"studly?" As an experienced and confident male, I am amused by your
pathetic conclusion that all men who possess the confidence with woman that
you evidently lack, are automatically in the closet. Woman are attracted
to confident, masculine men, Wayner. Do you fall, well,
short?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Don't make reflexive assumptions about your
betters pal.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Now go do the dishes. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>-TONY</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
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<A title=deco@moscow.com href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">Art Deco</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Vision 2020</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, March 16, 2007 1:15
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] The
maladjusted and those who enable them...</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Verdana>Gary,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana>A few short points, but don't take the first
one too seriously or at all personally:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana>1. </FONT><FONT face=Arial
size=2><FONT color=#0000ff>"... sometimes a cigar is merely a
cigar."</FONT> <FONT size=3> Hmmm. I wonder what
Freud or Rorschach would say about the choice of this particular aphorism in
the context of this discussion.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana>2. For your consideration,
excepted from <A
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Haggard">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Haggard</A>:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>
<P><FONT face=Verdana><FONT size=2><FONT color=#0000ff><B>Ted Arthur
Haggard</B> (born </FONT></FONT></FONT><A title="June 27"
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_27"><FONT face=Verdana size=2>June
27</FONT></A><FONT face=Verdana color=#0000ff size=2>, </FONT><A title=1956
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1956"><FONT face=Verdana
size=2>1956</FONT></A><FONT face=Verdana color=#0000ff size=2>) is a former
</FONT><A title="United States"
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States"><FONT face=Verdana
size=2>American</FONT></A><FONT face=Verdana color=#0000ff size=2> </FONT><A
title=Evangelism href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelism"><FONT
face=Verdana size=2>evangelical</FONT></A><FONT face=Verdana color=#0000ff
size=2> </FONT><A title=Preacher
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preacher"><FONT face=Verdana
size=2>preacher</FONT></A><FONT face=Verdana color=#0000ff size=2>. Known as
<B>Pastor Ted</B> to the congregations he has served, he is the founder and
former </FONT><A title=Pastor
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pastor"><FONT face=Verdana
size=2>pastor</FONT></A><FONT face=Verdana color=#0000ff size=2> of the
</FONT><A title="New Life Church, Colorado"
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Life_Church%2C_Colorado"><FONT
face=Verdana size=2>New Life Church</FONT></A><FONT face=Verdana
color=#0000ff size=2> in </FONT><A title="Colorado Springs, Colorado"
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado_Springs%2C_Colorado"><FONT
face=Verdana size=2>Colorado Springs</FONT></A><FONT face=Verdana
color=#0000ff size=2>, </FONT><A title=Colorado
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado"><FONT face=Verdana
size=2>Colorado</FONT></A><FONT face=Verdana color=#0000ff size=2>; a
founder of the </FONT><A title="Association of Life-Giving Churches"
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_Life-Giving_Churches"><FONT
face=Verdana size=2>Association of Life-Giving Churches</FONT></A><FONT
face=Verdana color=#0000ff size=2>; and was leader of the </FONT><A
title="National Association of Evangelicals"
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Association_of_Evangelicals"><FONT
face=Verdana size=2>National Association of Evangelicals</FONT></A><FONT
face=Verdana color=#0000ff size=2> from 2003<SUP class=reference
id=_ref-0><A title=""
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Haggard#_note-0">[1]</A></SUP> until
November 2006.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana color=#0000ff size=2>In November 2006, he resigned or
was removed from all of his leadership positions after allegations of
</FONT><A title=Homosexual
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual"><FONT face=Verdana
size=2>homosexual</FONT></A><FONT face=Verdana color=#0000ff size=2> sex and
</FONT><A title="Substance abuse"
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Substance_abuse"><FONT face=Verdana
size=2>drug abuse</FONT></A><FONT face=Verdana color=#0000ff size=2> were
made by </FONT><A title="Mike Jones (personal trainer)"
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Jones_%28personal_trainer%29"><FONT
face=Verdana size=2>Mike Jones</FONT></A><FONT face=Verdana color=#0000ff
size=2>, a former </FONT><A title="Male prostitution"
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male_prostitution"><FONT face=Verdana
size=2>male prostitute</FONT></A><FONT face=Verdana color=#0000ff size=2>.
Initially Haggard denied even knowing Mike Jones, but as a media
investigation proceeded he acknowledged that some allegations, such as his
purchase of </FONT><A title=Methamphetamine
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methamphetamine"><FONT face=Verdana
size=2>methamphetamine</FONT></A><FONT face=Verdana><FONT size=2><FONT
color=#0000ff>, were true. He later added "sexual immorality" to his list of
confessions.<SUP class=reference id=_ref-1><A title=""
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Haggard#_note-1">[2]</A></SUP></FONT></FONT></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2>...</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana color=#0000ff size=2>Haggard has condemned "</FONT><A
title=Homosexuality href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality"><FONT
face=Verdana size=2>homosexual</FONT></A><FONT face=Verdana color=#0000ff
size=2> activity.” In the documentary <I><A title="Jesus Camp"
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_Camp">Jesus Camp</A></I>, one scene
shows a sermon where he preaches, "we don't have to debate about what we
should think about homosexual activity. It’s written in the Bible."<SUP
class=reference id=_ref-16><A title=""
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Haggard#_note-16">[18]</A></SUP>
Although Haggard opposes </FONT><A title="Same-sex marriage"
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage"><FONT face=Verdana
size=2>same-sex marriage</FONT></A><FONT face=Verdana color=#0000ff size=2>,
he has suggested that there should be </FONT><A title="Civil union"
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_union"><FONT face=Verdana
size=2>civil unions</FONT></A><FONT face=Verdana><FONT size=2><FONT
color=#0000ff> for homosexual couples.<SUP class=reference id=_ref-17><A
title=""
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Haggard#_note-17">[19]</A></SUP></FONT></FONT></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana color=#0000ff size=2>Under Haggard's leadership, the
NAE released "For the Health of the Nation: An Evangelical Call to Civic
Responsibility" in the fall of 2004,<SUP class=reference
id=_ref-clout2005_0><A title=""
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Haggard#_note-clout2005">[20]</A></SUP>
"a document urging engagement in traditional </FONT><A title="Culture war"
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_war"><FONT face=Verdana
size=2>culture war</FONT></A><FONT face=Verdana color=#0000ff size=2> issues
such as </FONT><A title=Abortion
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion"><FONT face=Verdana
size=2>abortion</FONT></A><FONT face=Verdana color=#0000ff size=2> and
</FONT><A title="Gay marriage"
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_marriage"><FONT face=Verdana
size=2>gay marriage</FONT></A><FONT face=Verdana color=#0000ff size=2> but
also poverty, education, taxes, welfare and immigration."<SUP
class=reference id=_ref-clout2005_1><A title=""
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Haggard#_note-clout2005">[20]</A></SUP>
The NAE has stated that "</FONT><A title=Homosexual
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual"><FONT face=Verdana
size=2>homosexual</FONT></A><FONT face=Verdana><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT
size=2> activity, like adulterous</FONT> <FONT size=2>relationships, is
clearly con­demned in the Scriptures."<SUP class=reference id=_ref-18><A
title=""
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Haggard#_note-18">[21]</A></SUP></FONT></FONT></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana>Haggard is only one of many religious and political
figures, mostly Republican (for example, Spokane's last mayor), who
condemned homosexuality but were discovered to be active, if not ravenous
practitioners of such. Clear cases of reaction formation.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana>To the point: Did not Haggard exhibit the signs
of reaction formation discussed in my post that you so kindly commented
upon? Did not Haggard's own admissions about his feelings and
behaviors reveal the truth? How are the signs shown by Tony, Farris,
Cultmaster Douglas Wilson, etc, all who <STRONG>rabidly</STRONG>
proclaim the same homophobia any different from the pre-exposure
signs which Haggard and his fellow hypocrites exhibited?
</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana>When someone salivates, obsesses, and loudly
harangues over some other adults' private sexual behavior with other
adults, it argues that the salivator is having some real problems
themselves. Further, one would expect a libertarian to roundly condemn
such egregious, pathological forays into matters of personal choice and
freedom.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana>3. If you or anybody want to debate
the morality of homosexuality, then I, and probably a lot others on
this list-serve, are completely willing to do so on the basis of
observation and reason, but not on the basis of unverifiable religious
superstition.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana>4. You write:
</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana><FONT color=#0000ff size=2>"Does the fact that you are
so vehemently opposed to any type of religious doctrine mean that you harbor
messianic tendencies?"</FONT></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana>False assumption. I am vehemently opposed to
superstition of all kinds including religious superstition and belief in the
supernatural as a basis upon which to make moral, social, or political
decisions. However, many religious ethical dicta (though not in such
unyielding firmness and specificity) can be supported by
non-superstitious/non-supernatural observations and reasons in many
cases. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana>For your libertarian enjoyment, perhaps you might read
<EM>The Leviathan</EM> <A
href="http://oregonstate.edu/instruct/phl302/texts/hobbes/leviathan-contents.html">http://oregonstate.edu/instruct/phl302/texts/hobbes/leviathan-contents.html</A>,
by Thomas Hobbes who was basically a nonbeliever (and the founder of modern
libertarianism), as an example of a purely secular defense/explanation of
many western moral beliefs. As a further example, there is a lot
of empirical validity to Buddha's description of daily human life -- a
description which led him to propose an ethic similar to the Greek Stoics
(another group containing nonbelievers/anti-superstitionists). [There is a
continuing debate over whether Buddha himself was a believer in the modern
sense of the term.]</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana>Since your premise was false, there is no need to
discuss your conclusion. Nice try though.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana>5. Speaking of reaction
formation: What would think of a hypothetical man's sexual identity
and masculinity issues, a man who would not only rabidly espouse
homophobia, but would resort to an utterly ridiculous comb-over, and who
would make himself the laughing-stock of some of his hypothetical GPS
caching group by hypothetically naming himself "Studly" in the group?
Does this not remind you of the braggarts about their sexual exploits and
fertility whose wives and girlfriends frequently leave them for poor or
non-performance, or compensate for their lack of sexual prowess by having
affairs with others more skilled or take up needlepoint? Or which
braggarts secretly share Haggard's desires more strongly than their
heterosexual desires?</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana>Your humble servant,</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana><BR>Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)<BR><A
href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">deco@moscow.com</A></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana></FONT> </P><A
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Haggard"></A></DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=jampot@adelphia.net href="mailto:jampot@adelphia.net">g. crabtree</A>
</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=deco@moscow.com href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">Art
Deco</A> ; <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Vision 2020</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, March 16, 2007 11:42 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] The maladjusted and those who enable
them...</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Wayne,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2> Psycho babble aside, sometimes a cigar is merely a
cigar. you are so vehemently opposed to any type of religious doctrine mean
that you harbor messianic tendencies? It would explain quite a lot
about how you deal with anyone who might dare to disagree with your exalted
point of view and multi color pronouncements.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>g</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=deco@moscow.com href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">Art Deco</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Vision 2020</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, March 16, 2007 9:29
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] The
maladjusted and those who enable them...</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana></FONT><FONT face=Verdana>Tony,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana></FONT> </DIV><FONT face=Verdana>
<DIV><TD class=headword><STRONG>reaction formation</STRONG></TD><TD
style="WIDTH: 4.5pt"></TD><TD></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
(<I>plural</I> <B>reaction formations</B>): In psychoanalysis,
a defense mechanism in which somebody condemns something that has a
strong, driving unconscious appeal.</DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>reaction formation</STRONG> is a <A title="Defense mechanism"
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_mechanism">defense
mechanism</A> in which <A title=Anxiety
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anxiety">anxiety</A>-producing or
unacceptable <A title=Emotion
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotion">emotions</A> are replaced by
their direct opposites. This mechanism is often characteristic of
obsessional neuroses. When this mechanism is overused, especially during
the formation of the ego, it can become a permanent character trait. This
is often in those with obsessional character and obsessive personality
disorders. This does not imply that its periodic usage is always
obsessional, but that it can lead to obsessional behavior.
<STRONG>Example:</STRONG> A man who is overly aroused by
pornographic material who utilizes reaction formation may take on an
attitude of criticism toward the topic.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#b5a679><FONT size=5>R</FONT>EACTION<FONT
size=+2>-</FONT><FONT size=+2>F</FONT>ORMATION </FONT></STRONG>: <B><FONT
size=+1>The blocking of desire by its opposite</FONT></B>.
"Reaction-formation" is the term Freud uses to describe the mechanism
whereby the <A
href="http://www.cla.purdue.edu/English/theory/psychoanalysis/definitions/ego.html"
target=_self>ego</A> <I>reacts</I> to the impulses of the <A
href="http://www.cla.purdue.edu/English/theory/psychoanalysis/definitions/id.html"
target=_self>id</A> by creating an antithetical formation that blocks <A
href="http://www.cla.purdue.edu/English/theory/psychoanalysis/definitions/repression.html"
target=_self>repressed</A> <A
href="http://www.cla.purdue.edu/English/theory/psychoanalysis/definitions/cathexis.html"
target=_self>cathexes</A>. <STRONG><FONT color=#ff0000>For example,
someone who feels homosexual desire might </FONT></STRONG><A
href="http://www.cla.purdue.edu/English/theory/psychoanalysis/definitions/repression.html"
target=_self><STRONG><FONT
color=#ff0000>repress</FONT></STRONG></A><STRONG><FONT color=#ff0000> that
desire by turning it into hatred for all
homosexuals.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Perhaps you and Farris might confront and thus deal directly with
your personal demons discretely in private, rather than so
obviously exhibiting them in public. I am sure that everyone
would benefit, especially you and Farris: both your stultifying
repressions and secret frustrations could be at least partially
deadened. And after you have relived your tensions, perhaps you
might be able to pass on your personal experiences with the cure and
your newly found contacts to Cultmaster Douglas Wilson and his apparent
secret admirer Douglas Jones, both who appear to need such
therapy quite badly.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Your internally inconsistent post also reveals the grave doubts
you have about your masculinity and sexual identity when you have to
resort to posting outright lies. For example:</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><FONT
size=3>"</FONT>Saundra's determination to avoid reality by choosing
to doubt what has by now become commonplace, rather than investigate,
is disappointing if not surprising."</FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=2></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=4>
<DIV><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV>Included in this thread is a post by Saundra giving the URL to the
story from the <EM>Chicago Tribune</EM> which casts a very different light
on the story posted originally by the salivating, non-critical
Farris. Saundra investigated; you did not. It is one thing for
you and the gullible, narrow-witted Farris to delude yourselves thinking
you are <EM>agent provocateurs</EM>, but, in reality, quite another
to so clearly exhibit yourselves as sexually frustrated liars.</DIV>
<DIV><BR>Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)<BR><A
href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">deco@moscow.com</A><BR></DIV></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
<DIV></FONT><FONT face=Verdana size=2>----- Original Message -----
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2>From: "Tony" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:tonytime@clearwire.net"><FONT face=Verdana
size=2>tonytime@clearwire.net</FONT></A><FONT face=Verdana
size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2>To: "Art Deco" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:deco@moscow.com"><FONT face=Verdana
size=2>deco@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Verdana
size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2>Cc: <</FONT><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Verdana
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Verdana
size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2>Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 8:21
AM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The maladjusted
and those who enable them...</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana><BR><FONT size=2></FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT
face=Verdana size=2>> Wow Doug, you really flushed out the extremist,
sodomite activists with your <BR>> entirely reasonable and justified
outrage over the public school's abhorrent <BR>> support for
inappropriate, dirty and unhealthy behaviors. Saundra's <BR>>
determination to avoid reality by choosing to doubt what has by now become
<BR>> commonplace, rather than investigate, is disappointing if not
surprising.<BR>> <BR>> And how about Wayne's complete refusal to
address your message in favor of a <BR>> masturbatory fit of name
calling? You know you have hit upon the truth in a <BR>>
persuasive manner when these folks, who seem determined to defend the
<BR>> indefensible, respond in a childlike snit.<BR>> <BR>> Keep
up the good work partner.<BR>> <BR>> Best, -Tony<BR>>
----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: "Art Deco" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:deco@moscow.com"><FONT face=Verdana
size=2>deco@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Verdana size=2>><BR>>
To: "Vision 2020" <</FONT><A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT
face=Verdana size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Verdana
size=2>><BR>> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 7:25 AM<BR>> Subject:
Re: [Vision2020] And you all say that we have a political agenda?!<BR>>
<BR>> <BR>>> Replaying:<BR>>><BR>>> This kind of
right wing/religious bullshit is what happens when misguided,<BR>>>
stupid, and/or tyrannical people depend on superstition for their
moral<BR>>> beliefs rather than observation and
reasoning.<BR>>><BR>>> W.<BR>>> ----- Original Message
----- <BR>>> From: "Sue Hovey" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com"><FONT face=Verdana
size=2>suehovey@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Verdana
size=2>><BR>>> To: "Saundra Lund" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:sslund@roadrunner.com"><FONT face=Verdana
size=2>sslund@roadrunner.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Verdana size=2>>;
<</FONT><A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Verdana
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Verdana
size=2>><BR>>> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 6:31 PM<BR>>>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] And you all say that we have a political
<BR>>> agenda?!<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>> Note Waltz's
final comment, "All our kids are great kids, whether they <BR>>>>
are<BR>>>> gay or straight," is, I believe, the point of these
classes. Too bad she<BR>>>> doesn't get
it.<BR>>>><BR>>>> Strange the Trib article doesn't even
mention the nondisclosure contract<BR>>>> bit, which, if true,
would be a significant issue for the press. I<BR>>>>
seriously doubt there is anything to the claim students have to sign
a<BR>>>> contract promising "not to tell their parents."
Public school folks who<BR>>>> work with teenagers know they tell
everything--to everyone, except maybe<BR>>>> their parents, until
they turn 40 and around the dinner table tell us all<BR>>>> that
stuff we really don't want to know now.<BR>>>><BR>>>>
Mrs. Walz's daughter was hurt when her beliefs were challenged.
But<BR>>>> that's<BR>>>> how kids grow, and adults,
too. To be called on to examine ones beliefs<BR>>>>
is<BR>>>> not to say they are necessarily wrong; but as one who
grew up believing<BR>>>> pretty much what Mrs Walz would have her
daughter believe, I wish someone<BR>>>> had challenged my
attitudes when I was 17 or so.<BR>>>><BR>>>> Thanks for
the lin.<BR>>>><BR>>>> Sue Hovey<BR>>>> -----
Original Message ----- <BR>>gt;> From: "Saundra Lund" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:sslund@roadrunner.com"><FONT face=Verdana
size=2>sslund@roadrunner.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Verdana
size=2>><BR>>>> To: "'Sue Hovey'" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com"><FONT face=Verdana
size=2>suehovey@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Verdana size=2>>;
<</FONT><A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Verdana
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Verdana
size=2>><BR>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 11:01
AM<BR>>>> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] And you all say that we have
a political<BR>>>>
agenda?!<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>>> Hi
Sue,<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> You might want to check out
this link to a story that was in the Chicago<BR>>>>>
Trib:<BR>>>>> </FONT><A href="http://tinyurl.com/2arte6"><FONT
face=Verdana size=2>http://tinyurl.com/2arte6</FONT></A><BR><FONT
face=Verdana><FONT size=2>>>>><BR>>>>> Not
surprisingly, the story is actually quite a bit different than
the<BR>>>>> drivel Doug Farris wants us to believe.
Seems to me the religious<BR>>>>> reactionaries need to get
their stories straight -- it's hard to make <BR>>>>>
the<BR>>>>> argument about the whole nonsense of some
confidentiality contract when<BR>>>>> everyone knows about the
event in advance and parents can opt to not <BR>>>>>
have<BR>>>>> their children participate. Notice, too,
the names & how Ellen Waltz,<BR>>>>> whose name appears in
the Trib, seems to be changing her story
:-P<BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>> Saundra
Lund<BR>>>>> Moscow,
ID<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> The only thing necessary for
the triumph of evil is for good people to <BR>>>>>
do<BR>>>>> nothing.<BR>>>>> - Edmund
Burke<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> ***** Original material
contained herein is Copyright 2006 through life<BR>>>>> plus
70 years, Saundra Lund. Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or
<BR>>>>> reproduce<BR>>>>> outside the Vision 2020
forum without the express written permission of<BR>>>>> the
author.*****<BR></FONT></FONT>
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