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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=743352020-12032007>Ok, so
one can expect to see things labeled in English and Japanese in Hawaii, mainly
because of businesses catering to Japanese tourists. As a matter of fact, I was
the only American in the group I went scuba diving with, everyone else was
Japanese, with the exception of one divemaster, and even he spoke Japanese
fluently. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=743352020-12032007>Frankly, I didn't notice a language smorgasbord on
Oahu, just a lot of Japanese signage and Japanese languge TV shows. Most of
the non-Japanese tourists I ran into were either Aussies and Kiwis, who speak a
strange dialect of English, LOL..</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=743352020-12032007>One
would also expect to see signs and such in English and Spanish along the
US/Mexico border. I will be in Nogales, AZ next month, and I fully expect I'll
need to speak English, Spanish and Spanglish while there. No problem, in a
matter of hours of arriving, it'll be like I never left.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=743352020-12032007>But
should I have to speak Spanish in, say, Idaho? No I shouldn't, yet I needed to a
couple of weeks ago while in the Boise area, because most of the hotel staff did
not speak Engish at all. In order to communicate my needs, I had to speak
Spanish. Was it the end of the world? No. Was it annoying? Yes, why should I
have to switch to a foreign language in order to communicate in my own country?
I shouldn't have to.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=743352020-12032007>I
think English should be the official language of the US. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=743352020-12032007>If
businesses want to deal in more than one language to attract customers, that is
their choice. I don't feel that Joe Taxpayer should have to pay for government
documents to be printed in every language on the planet.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=743352020-12032007>I
think speaking more than one language is great, the more the better, but in my
home country I should only NEED to speak one.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> vision2020-bounces@moscow.com
[mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Sue
Hovey<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, March 12, 2007 1:18 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Donovan
Arnold; keely emerinemix; vision2020@moscow.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[Vision2020] Words Bring Pause<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>OK, I guess we can agree to disagree on the
English language mandate. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>But would you humor me on this one? You
said:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>If you haven't bought anything where the directions were primarily Spanish
it is because you haven't bought anything in a community that is in the
Southwestern United States. You probably buy your stuff in Moscow or Spokane
that is 98% White not 40% White. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I believe in buying locally so I don't tend to run
off to Arizona or California to buy products. If they are sold there and
not shipped out, why does that create a problem for you? And I really
would like an example. It's not that I'm unwilling to believe you, I
just want to know what one might be. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Actually for the past three months I have
done all my buying in Hawaii--lucky me. There are many things I love
about this wonderful state, and among them is the benefit of its linguistic
diversity. I don't buy many products here that need directions, but it's
great fun to shop for groceries where one runs into labels printed in many
languages--of course one can shop in World Market in Spokane and do the same
thing. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sue</FONT></DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=suehovey@moscow.com
href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">Sue Hovey</A> ; <A title=kjajmix1@msn.com
href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">keely emerinemix</A> ; <A
title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, March 12, 2007 5:12
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Words Bring
Pause</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Sue,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>You wrote: </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>"Donovan, Your contention that those who don't speak English
are rude and make everyone cater to them is a pretty narrow view of the
conditions of many non-English speakers."</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>This is a false representation of what I said. I said I have the deepest
respect for those that try to learn the language and spite for those that
don't. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Unless you are mentally incapable, which I doubt most non-English
speaking people in this country are, you should be attempting to learn
the language. Further businesses and other agencies that print everything
in two or 20 languages are only allowing them to not learn. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Many millions of people come into this country and refuse to learn the
language, they stay in cities like LA, Phoenix, and Las Vegas where everything
is in their language. They get jobs, go shopping, and drive on the roads, not
knowing more than three words in English and don't care to learn it. I am
not talking about people 65 who grew up in an other country until last
week, I am talking about people 18-50 that have lived the better half of
their life in this country, and people that refuse to teach English to their
children. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Anyone that really wants to learn English can learn English. I also
believe that it is a serious danger to the lives of people in this
country when people cannot communicate because of a language barrier, it
happens everyday, in emergency situations, or situations that quickly because
emergency situations because of a lack of communication. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Yes Sue, all the cultures that have come to the US have learned to speak
English. There are no major cities in the United States where the majority
speaks German, the Germans learned English, as did the French, the Italians,
the Greeks, the Spanish, the Russians, the Swedish, Japanese, all did, even
the Slaves that were forbidden by law from reading learned to speak English.
</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>We have to have one language as a matter of necessity, you have road
signs, government literature, communications over the radio, TV and Internet,
the language of government meetings, the words on printed money etc, can be
only adequately done in one language. No one person chose the English language
we all agreed to it many years ago because it gave us the greatest opportunity
in the world. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>If you haven't bought anything where the directions were primarily
Spanish it is because you haven't bought anything in a community that is in
the Southwestern United States. You probably buy your stuff in Moscow or
Spokane that is 98% White not 40% White. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Not having everyone speak one language is not only an
inconvenience, it is also a danger to our society. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Further, I don't even think you should be able to get a driver's license
without being able to speak English. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Best,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Donovan </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><B><I>Sue Hovey <suehovey@moscow.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Donovan, Your contention that those
who don't speak English are rude and make everyone cater to them is a pretty
narrow view of the conditions of many non-English speakers. Some of
them are elderly with limited opportunities to learn English,
many of them are eager to learn and seek out classes only to find they
cannot afford the tuition or the classes are full. Others, and I have
known numbers of them, struggle to learn as much as they can while they
clean the houses, pick the fruit, and care for the children of the more
affluent. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I think I might not so much mind the misguided
efforts of arrogant lawmakers, if in their haste to proclaim English as our
national language, they also passed laws to facilitate that learning for
non-English speaking adults. Fortunately we do have programs in place
for school age children, but even today there is a national movement to
deny many of these children education services. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>You state that all of our prior immigrants
learned to speak English, surely you know that is not
so. Certainly you are correct that being unable to speak English
does hinder those who need to make a living here. I don't think you
actually meant to say English is an American invention--sometimes even those
of us who speak it don't get it right all the time. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I do see products with Spanish as well as
English instructions, but unless they are imports, Donovan, Your
contention that those who don't speak English are rude and make
everyone cater to them is a pretty narrow view of the conditions of many
non-English speakers. </FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sue</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=suehovey@moscow.com
href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">Sue Hovey</A> ; <A
title=kjajmix1@msn.com href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">keely emerinemix</A>
; <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, March 11, 2007 7:14
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Words Bring
Pause</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Now the good Senator can go to Somalia and give the same speech to
them, as they too have also elected to make Somalia and English
their official languages. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I think helping those that cannot speak English in this country
is wonderful. However, I think not learning to speak the language simple
keeps those individuals down in society and hinders society as well.
</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>In the sheltered world of Northern Idaho, Spanish is by far a second
language, but in many other parts of the west, in an increasing number of
places, English is the second language and most the people on the street
are speaking Spanish, not English, the signs are in Spanish and if you do
not speak Spanish you often find yourself unable to ask the person next to
you or an employee at a business a question. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Even instructions on some products are primarily in Spanish,
with English as the second language. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The US is a nation of immigrants, Spanish, German, French, Italian
Greek, Swedish, Irish, Arabic, Asian, African, Eskimo, etc. But they all
learned to speak English. It isn't favoritism, it even an American
invention, it isn't superiority, and it certainly isn't the most sensible,
logical, or easiest language to master, but they all, all, even the poor
ones, learned to speak the language. They didn't try to change the country
to their culture and language, they added too it, they didn't destroy it,
ignore it, or disrespect it. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>In the United States we speak English. To refuse to speak the
language of the people in the country you choose to live in is rude and
disrespectful to those in it. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I have the deepest respect for the people that come here and learn
the language, but I have nothing but spite for those that come here and
refuse to help out and make everyone cater to them.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Best,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Donovan </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>"If you speak English, Press 1 now. If you don't speak English,
learn it, then press 1."</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR><B><I>Sue Hovey <suehovey@moscow.com></I></B>
wrote:</DIV>
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style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Edgar
Malepeai is a very special person and a remarkable teacher. One of
<BR>the impacts of legislation such as this is the harm in inflicts on
people <BR>who speak English (in Edgar's case it's beautifully spoken
and articulate as <BR>well) as a second language (or third or fourth)
because there is the implied <BR>message that some languages are
superior to others.<BR><BR>Some of you may not appreciate the message
"numero dos, para Espanol" but <BR>there are those of us who sometimes
push button two just to make our minds <BR>remember what we used to know
pretty well.<BR><BR>Closing with a non sequitur: When Governor George
Bush told Texans he was <BR>learning Spanish, Jim Hightower responded,
"Now he can be bi-ignorant."<BR><BR>Sue Hovey<BR>----- Original Message
----- <BR>From: "keely emerinemix" <KJAJMIX1@MSN.COM><BR>To:
<THANSEN@MOSCOW.COM>; <VISION2020@MOSCOW.COM><BR>Sent: Sunday, March 11,
2007 2:46 PM<BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Words Bring
Pause<BR><BR><BR>> Thanks to Sen. Malepeai for his clearheaded and
rational comments against <BR>> a<BR>> divisive and unnecessary
bill.<BR>><BR>> keely<BR>><BR>><BR>> From: "Tom Hansen"
<THANSEN@MOSCOW.COM><BR>> To: "Vision 2020"
<VISION2020@MOSCOW.COM><BR>> Subject: [Vision2020] Words Bring
Pause<BR>> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:42:03 -0700<BR>><BR>>
>From today's (March 11, 2007) Spokesman Review with a very special
thanks<BR>> to<BR>> State Senator Edgar Malepeai -<BR>><BR>>
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Words Bring Pause<BR>><BR>> The Idaho Senate voted 20-15 in favor
of Senate Bill 1172, declaring <BR>> English<BR>> to be the
official language of Idaho, in a debate that took a personal <BR>>
turn.<BR>><BR>> "It's not for shutting people out, but bringing
people in," Sen. Mel<BR>> Richardson, R-Idaho Falls, lead sponsor of
the bill, told the Senate.<BR>><BR>> Sen. Edgar Malepeai,
D-Pocatello, said quietly, "Looking around the <BR>> chamber,<BR>>
I think I'm probably the only one that has English as a second
language."<BR>> Malepeai recalled that his late father and uncles
served proudly in the <BR>> U.S.<BR>> military. "They spoke very,
very broken English, but they were proud<BR>> American Samoans,"
Malepeai said. Democracy and freedom "is what unifies<BR>> people in
this country," he said, "not the English language." A hush fell <BR>>
in<BR>> the Senate after Malepeai's comments, and no one else debated
the bill.<BR>><BR>>
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