<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; ">Since we're up here in North Idaho, shouldn't we be required to read and speak Canadian as well as english, eh?<DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On Mar 12, 2007, at 2:41 PM, Kai Eiselein, editor wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"> <DIV><FONT face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"><SPAN class="743352020-12032007">Ok, so one can expect to see things labeled in English and Japanese in Hawaii, mainly because of businesses catering to Japanese tourists. As a matter of fact, I was the only American in the group I went scuba diving with, everyone else was Japanese, with the exception of one divemaster, and even he spoke Japanese fluently. </SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"><SPAN class="743352020-12032007">Frankly, I didn't notice a language smorgasbord on Oahu, just a lot of Japanese signage and Japanese languge TV shows. Most of the non-Japanese tourists I ran into were either Aussies and Kiwis, who speak a strange dialect of English, LOL..</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"><SPAN class="743352020-12032007">One would also expect to see signs and such in English and Spanish along the US/Mexico border. I will be in Nogales, AZ next month, and I fully expect I'll need to speak English, Spanish and Spanglish while there. No problem, in a matter of hours of arriving, it'll be like I never left.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"><SPAN class="743352020-12032007">But should I have to speak Spanish in, say, Idaho? No I shouldn't, yet I needed to a couple of weeks ago while in the Boise area, because most of the hotel staff did not speak Engish at all. In order to communicate my needs, I had to speak Spanish. Was it the end of the world? No. Was it annoying? Yes, why should I have to switch to a foreign language in order to communicate in my own country? I shouldn't have to.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"><SPAN class="743352020-12032007">I think English should be the official language of the US. </SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"><SPAN class="743352020-12032007">If businesses want to deal in more than one language to attract customers, that is their choice. I don't feel that Joe Taxpayer should have to pay for government documents to be printed in every language on the planet.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"><SPAN class="743352020-12032007">I think speaking more than one language is great, the more the better, but in my home country I should only NEED to speak one.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class="OutlookMessageHeader" dir="ltr" align="left"><FONT face="Tahoma" size="2">-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [<A href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</A>]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Sue Hovey<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, March 12, 2007 1:18 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Donovan Arnold; keely emerinemix; <A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A><BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Words Bring Pause<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2">OK, I guess we can agree to disagree on the English language mandate. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2">But would you humor me on this one? You said:</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV> <DIV> <DIV>If you haven't bought anything where the directions were primarily Spanish it is because you haven't bought anything in a community that is in the Southwestern United States. You probably buy your stuff in Moscow or Spokane that is 98% White not 40% White. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2">I believe in buying locally so I don't tend to run off to Arizona or California to buy products. If they are sold there and not shipped out, why does that create a problem for you? And I really would like an example. It's not that I'm unwilling to believe you, I just want to know what one might be. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2">Actually for the past three months I have done all my buying in Hawaii--lucky me. There are many things I love about this wonderful state, and among them is the benefit of its linguistic diversity. I don't buy many products here that need directions, but it's great fun to shop for groceries where one runs into labels printed in many languages--of course one can shop in World Market in Spokane and do the same thing. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2">Sue</FONT></DIV></DIV></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title="donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title="suehovey@moscow.com" href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">Sue Hovey</A> ; <A title="kjajmix1@msn.com" href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">keely emerinemix</A> ; <A title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, March 12, 2007 5:12 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Words Bring Pause</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>Sue,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You wrote: </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>"Donovan, Your contention that those who don't speak English are rude and make everyone cater to them is a pretty narrow view of the conditions of many non-English speakers."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This is a false representation of what I said. I said I have the deepest respect for those that try to learn the language and spite for those that don't. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Unless you are mentally incapable, which I doubt most non-English speaking people in this country are, you should be attempting to learn the language. Further businesses and other agencies that print everything in two or 20 languages are only allowing them to not learn. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Many millions of people come into this country and refuse to learn the language, they stay in cities like LA, Phoenix, and Las Vegas where everything is in their language. They get jobs, go shopping, and drive on the roads, not knowing more than three words in English and don't care to learn it. I am not talking about people 65 who grew up in an other country until last week, I am talking about people 18-50 that have lived the better half of their life in this country, and people that refuse to teach English to their children. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Anyone that really wants to learn English can learn English. I also believe that it is a serious danger to the lives of people in this country when people cannot communicate because of a language barrier, it happens everyday, in emergency situations, or situations that quickly because emergency situations because of a lack of communication. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Yes Sue, all the cultures that have come to the US have learned to speak English. There are no major cities in the United States where the majority speaks German, the Germans learned English, as did the French, the Italians, the Greeks, the Spanish, the Russians, the Swedish, Japanese, all did, even the Slaves that were forbidden by law from reading learned to speak English. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We have to have one language as a matter of necessity, you have road signs, government literature, communications over the radio, TV and Internet, the language of government meetings, the words on printed money etc, can be only adequately done in one language. No one person chose the English language we all agreed to it many years ago because it gave us the greatest opportunity in the world. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If you haven't bought anything where the directions were primarily Spanish it is because you haven't bought anything in a community that is in the Southwestern United States. You probably buy your stuff in Moscow or Spokane that is 98% White not 40% White. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Not having everyone speak one language is not only an inconvenience, it is also a danger to our society. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Further, I don't even think you should be able to get a driver's license without being able to speak English. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Best,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Donovan </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><B><I>Sue Hovey <<A href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">suehovey@moscow.com</A>></I></B> wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE class="replbq" style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"> <DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2">Donovan, Your contention that those who don't speak English are rude and make everyone cater to them is a pretty narrow view of the conditions of many non-English speakers. Some of them are elderly with limited opportunities to learn English, many of them are eager to learn and seek out classes only to find they cannot afford the tuition or the classes are full. Others, and I have known numbers of them, struggle to learn as much as they can while they clean the houses, pick the fruit, and care for the children of the more affluent. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2">I think I might not so much mind the misguided efforts of arrogant lawmakers, if in their haste to proclaim English as our national language, they also passed laws to facilitate that learning for non-English speaking adults. Fortunately we do have programs in place for school age children, but even today there is a national movement to deny many of these children education services. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2">You state that all of our prior immigrants learned to speak English, surely you know that is not so. Certainly you are correct that being unable to speak English does hinder those who need to make a living here. I don't think you actually meant to say English is an American invention--sometimes even those of us who speak it don't get it right all the time. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2">I do see products with Spanish as well as English instructions, but unless they are imports, Donovan, Your contention that those who don't speak English are rude and make everyone cater to them is a pretty narrow view of the conditions of many non-English speakers. </FONT><FONT face="Arial" size="2"></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2">Sue</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2"></FONT> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title="donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title="suehovey@moscow.com" href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">Sue Hovey</A> ; <A title="kjajmix1@msn.com" href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">keely emerinemix</A> ; <A title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, March 11, 2007 7:14 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Words Bring Pause</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>Now the good Senator can go to Somalia and give the same speech to them, as they too have also elected to make Somalia and English their official languages. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I think helping those that cannot speak English in this country is wonderful. However, I think not learning to speak the language simple keeps those individuals down in society and hinders society as well. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>In the sheltered world of Northern Idaho, Spanish is by far a second language, but in many other parts of the west, in an increasing number of places, English is the second language and most the people on the street are speaking Spanish, not English, the signs are in Spanish and if you do not speak Spanish you often find yourself unable to ask the person next to you or an employee at a business a question. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Even instructions on some products are primarily in Spanish, with English as the second language. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The US is a nation of immigrants, Spanish, German, French, Italian Greek, Swedish, Irish, Arabic, Asian, African, Eskimo, etc. But they all learned to speak English. It isn't favoritism, it even an American invention, it isn't superiority, and it certainly isn't the most sensible, logical, or easiest language to master, but they all, all, even the poor ones, learned to speak the language. They didn't try to change the country to their culture and language, they added too it, they didn't destroy it, ignore it, or disrespect it. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>In the United States we speak English. To refuse to speak the language of the people in the country you choose to live in is rude and disrespectful to those in it. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I have the deepest respect for the people that come here and learn the language, but I have nothing but spite for those that come here and refuse to help out and make everyone cater to them.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Best,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Donovan </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>"If you speak English, Press 1 now. If you don't speak English, learn it, then press 1."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><BR><BR><B><I>Sue Hovey <<A href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">suehovey@moscow.com</A>></I></B> wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE class="replbq" style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Edgar Malepeai is a very special person and a remarkable teacher. One of <BR>the impacts of legislation such as this is the harm in inflicts on people <BR>who speak English (in Edgar's case it's beautifully spoken and articulate as <BR>well) as a second language (or third or fourth) because there is the implied <BR>message that some languages are superior to others.<BR><BR>Some of you may not appreciate the message "numero dos, para Espanol" but <BR>there are those of us who sometimes push button two just to make our minds <BR>remember what we used to know pretty well.<BR><BR>Closing with a non sequitur: When Governor George Bush told Texans he was <BR>learning Spanish, Jim Hightower responded, "Now he can be bi-ignorant."<BR><BR>Sue Hovey<BR>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From: "keely emerinemix" <BR>To: ; <BR>Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 2:46 PM<BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Words Bring Pause<BR><BR><BR>> Thanks to Sen. Malepeai for his clearheaded and rational comments against <BR>> a<BR>> divisive and unnecessary bill.<BR>><BR>> keely<BR>><BR>><BR>> From: "Tom Hansen" <BR>> To: "Vision 2020" <BR>> Subject: [Vision2020] Words Bring Pause<BR>> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:42:03 -0700<BR>><BR>> >From today's (March 11, 2007) Spokesman Review with a very special thanks<BR>> to<BR>> State Senator Edgar Malepeai -<BR>><BR>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>><BR>> Words Bring Pause<BR>><BR>> The Idaho Senate voted 20-15 in favor of Senate Bill 1172, declaring <BR>> English<BR>> to be the official language of Idaho, in a debate that took a personal <BR>> turn.<BR>><BR>> "It's not for shutting people out, but bringing people in," Sen. Mel<BR>> Richardson, R-Idaho Falls, lead sponsor of the bill, told the Senate.<BR>><BR>> Sen. 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