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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>No, but it would make them have to keep English
speaking people around to help so that we are not put into a difficult situation
in our own country! </FONT></DIV>
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<A title=suehovey@moscow.com href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">Sue Hovey</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=editor@lataheagle.com
href="mailto:editor@lataheagle.com">Kai Eiselein, editor</A> ; <A
title=vision2020@moscow.com href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Vision
2020</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, March 12, 2007 4:55
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] FW: Words Bring
Pause</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=743352020-12032007>From
Kai:</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=743352020-12032007></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=743352020-12032007>But
should I have to speak Spanish in, say, Idaho? No I shouldn't, yet I needed to
a couple of weeks ago while in the Boise area, because most of the hotel staff
did not speak Engish at all. In order to communicate my needs, I had to speak
Spanish. Was it the end of the world? No. Was it annoying? Yes, why should I
have to switch to a foreign language in order to communicate in my own
country? I shouldn't have to.</SPAN></FONT></DIV></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Kai, you're right, of course. I just don't
understand how making English the official language in Idaho translates into
your being able to converse, in English, with the hotel help in Boise.
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sue</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=editor@lataheagle.com href="mailto:editor@lataheagle.com">Kai
Eiselein, editor</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Vision 2020</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, March 12, 2007 11:41
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Vision2020] FW: Words Bring
Pause</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=743352020-12032007>Ok, so one can expect to see things labeled in
English and Japanese in Hawaii, mainly because of businesses catering to
Japanese tourists. As a matter of fact, I was the only American in the
group I went scuba diving with, everyone else was Japanese, with the
exception of one divemaster, and even he spoke Japanese fluently.
</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=743352020-12032007>Frankly, I didn't notice a language smorgasbord on
Oahu, just a lot of Japanese signage and Japanese languge TV shows.
Most of the non-Japanese tourists I ran into were either Aussies and Kiwis,
who speak a strange dialect of English, LOL..</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=743352020-12032007>One would also expect to see signs and such in
English and Spanish along the US/Mexico border. I will be in Nogales, AZ
next month, and I fully expect I'll need to speak English, Spanish and
Spanglish while there. No problem, in a matter of hours of arriving, it'll
be like I never left.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=743352020-12032007>But should I have to speak Spanish in, say, Idaho?
No I shouldn't, yet I needed to a couple of weeks ago while in the Boise
area, because most of the hotel staff did not speak Engish at all. In order
to communicate my needs, I had to speak Spanish. Was it the end of the
world? No. Was it annoying? Yes, why should I have to switch to a foreign
language in order to communicate in my own country? I shouldn't have
to.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=743352020-12032007>I
think English should be the official language of the US.
</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=743352020-12032007>If
businesses want to deal in more than one language to attract customers, that
is their choice. I don't feel that Joe Taxpayer should have to pay for
government documents to be printed in every language on the
planet.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=743352020-12032007>I
think speaking more than one language is great, the more the better, but in
my home country I should only NEED to speak one.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com]<B>On
Behalf Of </B>Sue Hovey<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, March 12, 2007 1:18
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Donovan Arnold; keely emerinemix;
vision2020@moscow.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Words Bring
Pause<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>OK, I guess we can agree to disagree on
the English language mandate. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>But would you humor me on this one? You
said:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>If you haven't bought anything where the directions were primarily
Spanish it is because you haven't bought anything in a community that is in
the Southwestern United States. You probably buy your stuff in Moscow or
Spokane that is 98% White not 40% White. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I believe in buying locally so I don't tend to
run off to Arizona or California to buy products. If they are sold
there and not shipped out, why does that create a problem for you? And
I really would like an example. It's not that I'm unwilling to
believe you, I just want to know what one might be.
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Actually for the past three months I have
done all my buying in Hawaii--lucky me. There are many things I
love about this wonderful state, and among them is the benefit of its
linguistic diversity. I don't buy many products here that need
directions, but it's great fun to shop for groceries where one runs into
labels printed in many languages--of course one can shop in World Market in
Spokane and do the same thing. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sue</FONT></DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV
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<A title=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=suehovey@moscow.com
href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">Sue Hovey</A> ; <A
title=kjajmix1@msn.com href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">keely emerinemix</A>
; <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, March 12, 2007 5:12
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Words Bring
Pause</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Sue,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>You wrote: </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>"Donovan, Your contention that those who don't speak
English are rude and make everyone cater to them is a pretty narrow view
of the conditions of many non-English speakers."</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>This is a false representation of what I said. I said I have the
deepest respect for those that try to learn the language and spite for
those that don't. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Unless you are mentally incapable, which I doubt most
non-English speaking people in this country are, you should be attempting
to learn the language. Further businesses and other agencies that
print everything in two or 20 languages are only allowing them
to not learn. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Many millions of people come into this country and refuse to learn
the language, they stay in cities like LA, Phoenix, and Las Vegas where
everything is in their language. They get jobs, go shopping, and drive on
the roads, not knowing more than three words in English and don't
care to learn it. I am not talking about people 65 who grew up in an
other country until last week, I am talking about people 18-50 that
have lived the better half of their life in this country, and people that
refuse to teach English to their children. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Anyone that really wants to learn English can learn English. I also
believe that it is a serious danger to the lives of people in this
country when people cannot communicate because of a language barrier, it
happens everyday, in emergency situations, or situations that quickly
because emergency situations because of a lack of communication. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Yes Sue, all the cultures that have come to the US have learned to
speak English. There are no major cities in the United States where the
majority speaks German, the Germans learned English, as did the French,
the Italians, the Greeks, the Spanish, the Russians, the Swedish,
Japanese, all did, even the Slaves that were forbidden by law from reading
learned to speak English. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>We have to have one language as a matter of necessity, you have road
signs, government literature, communications over the radio, TV and
Internet, the language of government meetings, the words on printed money
etc, can be only adequately done in one language. No one person chose the
English language we all agreed to it many years ago because it gave us the
greatest opportunity in the world. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>If you haven't bought anything where the directions were primarily
Spanish it is because you haven't bought anything in a community that is
in the Southwestern United States. You probably buy your stuff in Moscow
or Spokane that is 98% White not 40% White. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Not having everyone speak one language is not only an
inconvenience, it is also a danger to our society. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Further, I don't even think you should be able to get a driver's
license without being able to speak English. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Best,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Donovan </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><B><I>Sue Hovey <suehovey@moscow.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Donovan, Your contention that
those who don't speak English are rude and make everyone cater to them
is a pretty narrow view of the conditions of many non-English
speakers. Some of them are elderly with limited
opportunities to learn English, many of them are eager to learn
and seek out classes only to find they cannot afford the tuition or
the classes are full. Others, and I have known numbers of them,
struggle to learn as much as they can while they clean the houses,
pick the fruit, and care for the children of the more affluent.
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I think I might not so much mind the
misguided efforts of arrogant lawmakers, if in their haste to proclaim
English as our national language, they also passed laws to facilitate
that learning for non-English speaking adults. Fortunately we do
have programs in place for school age children, but even today
there is a national movement to deny many of these children
education services. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>You state that all of our prior immigrants
learned to speak English, surely you know that is not
so. Certainly you are correct that being unable to speak
English does hinder those who need to make a living here. I don't
think you actually meant to say English is an American
invention--sometimes even those of us who speak it don't get it right
all the time. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I do see products with Spanish as well as
English instructions, but unless they are imports, Donovan, Your
contention that those who don't speak English are rude and make
everyone cater to them is a pretty narrow view of the conditions of many
non-English speakers. </FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sue</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=suehovey@moscow.com
href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">Sue Hovey</A> ; <A
title=kjajmix1@msn.com href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">keely
emerinemix</A> ; <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, March 11, 2007 7:14
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Words
Bring Pause</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Now the good Senator can go to Somalia and give the same speech
to them, as they too have also elected to make Somalia and
English their official languages. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I think helping those that cannot speak English in this
country is wonderful. However, I think not learning to speak the
language simple keeps those individuals down in society and hinders
society as well. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>In the sheltered world of Northern Idaho, Spanish is by far a
second language, but in many other parts of the west, in an increasing
number of places, English is the second language and most the people
on the street are speaking Spanish, not English, the signs are in
Spanish and if you do not speak Spanish you often find yourself unable
to ask the person next to you or an employee at a business a
question. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Even instructions on some products are primarily in Spanish,
with English as the second language. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The US is a nation of immigrants, Spanish, German, French,
Italian Greek, Swedish, Irish, Arabic, Asian, African, Eskimo, etc.
But they all learned to speak English. It isn't favoritism,
it even an American invention, it isn't superiority, and it
certainly isn't the most sensible, logical, or easiest language to
master, but they all, all, even the poor ones, learned to speak the
language. They didn't try to change the country to their culture and
language, they added too it, they didn't destroy it, ignore it, or
disrespect it. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>In the United States we speak English. To refuse to speak the
language of the people in the country you choose to live in is rude
and disrespectful to those in it. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I have the deepest respect for the people that come here and
learn the language, but I have nothing but spite for those that come
here and refuse to help out and make everyone cater to them.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Best,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Donovan </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>"If you speak English, Press 1 now. If you don't speak
English, learn it, then press 1."</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR><B><I>Sue Hovey <suehovey@moscow.com></I></B>
wrote:</DIV>
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Malepeai is a very special person and a remarkable teacher. One of
<BR>the impacts of legislation such as this is the harm in inflicts
on people <BR>who speak English (in Edgar's case it's beautifully
spoken and articulate as <BR>well) as a second language (or third or
fourth) because there is the implied <BR>message that some languages
are superior to others.<BR><BR>Some of you may not appreciate the
message "numero dos, para Espanol" but <BR>there are those of us who
sometimes push button two just to make our minds <BR>remember what
we used to know pretty well.<BR><BR>Closing with a non sequitur:
When Governor George Bush told Texans he was <BR>learning Spanish,
Jim Hightower responded, "Now he can be bi-ignorant."<BR><BR>Sue
Hovey<BR>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From: "keely emerinemix"
<KJAJMIX1@MSN.COM><BR>To: <THANSEN@MOSCOW.COM>;
<VISION2020@MOSCOW.COM><BR>Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 2:46
PM<BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Words Bring Pause<BR><BR><BR>>
Thanks to Sen. Malepeai for his clearheaded and rational comments
against <BR>> a<BR>> divisive and unnecessary
bill.<BR>><BR>> keely<BR>><BR>><BR>> From: "Tom
Hansen" <THANSEN@MOSCOW.COM><BR>> To: "Vision 2020"
<VISION2020@MOSCOW.COM><BR>> Subject: [Vision2020] Words Bring
Pause<BR>> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:42:03 -0700<BR>><BR>>
>From today's (March 11, 2007) Spokesman Review with a very
special thanks<BR>> to<BR>> State Senator Edgar Malepeai
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Words Bring Pause<BR>><BR>> The Idaho Senate voted 20-15 in
favor of Senate Bill 1172, declaring <BR>> English<BR>> to be
the official language of Idaho, in a debate that took a personal
<BR>> turn.<BR>><BR>> "It's not for shutting people out,
but bringing people in," Sen. Mel<BR>> Richardson, R-Idaho Falls,
lead sponsor of the bill, told the Senate.<BR>><BR>> Sen.
Edgar Malepeai, D-Pocatello, said quietly, "Looking around the
<BR>> chamber,<BR>> I think I'm probably the only one that has
English as a second language."<BR>> Malepeai recalled that his
late father and uncles served proudly in the <BR>> U.S.<BR>>
military. "They spoke very, very broken English, but they were
proud<BR>> American Samoans," Malepeai said. Democracy and
freedom "is what unifies<BR>> people in this country," he said,
"not the English language." A hush fell <BR>> in<BR>> the
Senate after Malepeai's comments, and no one else debated the
bill.<BR>><BR>>
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