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<DIV>Maybe there should be signs telling U.S citizens to be polite to other U.S.
citizens and non-citizens in ordinary transactions.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>W.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=pkraut@moscow.com href="mailto:pkraut@moscow.com">Pat Kraut</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, March 12, 2007 6:28 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] FW: Words Bring Pause</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>i have a question; We are constantly bombarded with
information so we do not insult those moving here whether they are illegal or
not. Do they ever get classes or information about the problems they are causing
us?? Do they realize how much they insult us? I do not think I have seen a sign
telling them to be polite, kind or helpful to citizens of the US. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=deco@moscow.com href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">Art Deco</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Vision 2020</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, March 12, 2007 3:30
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] FW: Words Bring
Pause</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Perhaps one or two comments might be helpful to some in this
debate.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>1. Besides the time commitment, there are several
difficulties in learning to speak or write a new language. Learning to
write a new language is difficult if one can only write marginally in their
own language. Despite major progress in teaching ESL, it is not easy to
teach or to learn due to a wide variety of learning and teaching styles and
rates that need to be matched for optimal learning. Hence, besides
motivation and time, other factors can be a significant deterrent. There
are some fine computer based language learning tools available, but many of
those wishing to learn a language do not have either the hardware or software
readily at hand or can afford it.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>That is not to say a person choosing to work or to reside for a
significant length of time in another country should not make an effort to
learn the language of that country (and also come to understand other cultural
significances). But it is not like waving a magic wand. To take
advantage of the needed resources to learn a new language, the resources need
to be available at a time when they can be used.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>2. Having been a systems engineer for a long time and
part of whose mantra is to make things as easy and foolproof as possible, I
think that making multilingual labels and signs helps both the client and the
provider in any situation to meet both of their goals easier. To fail to
do so argues a lack of basic human concern and a fundamental short-sightedness
of basic organizational goals. Perhaps one deciding factor is the
expense in any particular case. In many cases the expense would
be negligible compared to the gain achieved. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Having lived in or traveled to many places that were multilingual, I
found that the businessperson who accommodates his customers by using multiple
languages to communicate will be more successful in the long run. Doing
this builds good will immediately and in the long run. Not doing it
builds bad will that is likely to last long after those not treated
considerately have long learned the language. They will go elsewhere
with their business ever after.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The same can be said of government agencies whose job is to serve the
public. That is not to say that every single form, procedure manual, or
employee needs to be bilingual or trilingual, etc. But much time is
saved and service rendered by making the more common signs and forms bilingual
where appropriate, and in some services having some bilingual service
persons saves a lot of hassle for all, e.g. law enforcement
and medical/health service facilities.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I remember when I was in a saturation course with many others, all
college graduates, attempting to gain a basic speaking and writing
ability in another language. It was a tough go for all of us
despite the time allotted for us to learn and the selection process in
choosing who was to be given this training.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>If both parents are working long hours and needing besides to devote time
to basic household and parenting tasks, there is a fatigue factor as well as a
time factor associated with learning a new language. It is true what you
would naturally expect: fatigue slows and discombobulates the learning
process.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>A little patience, understanding, help, and humanity might be in
order.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>W.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=editor@lataheagle.com href="mailto:editor@lataheagle.com">Kai Eiselein,
editor</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Vision 2020</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, March 12, 2007 2:41 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> [Vision2020] FW: Words Bring Pause</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=743352020-12032007>Ok,
so one can expect to see things labeled in English and Japanese in Hawaii,
mainly because of businesses catering to Japanese tourists. As a matter of
fact, I was the only American in the group I went scuba diving with,
everyone else was Japanese, with the exception of one divemaster, and
even he spoke Japanese fluently. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=743352020-12032007>Frankly, I didn't notice a language smorgasbord on
Oahu, just a lot of Japanese signage and Japanese languge TV shows. Most
of the non-Japanese tourists I ran into were either Aussies and Kiwis, who
speak a strange dialect of English, LOL..</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=743352020-12032007>One
would also expect to see signs and such in English and Spanish along the
US/Mexico border. I will be in Nogales, AZ next month, and I fully expect I'll
need to speak English, Spanish and Spanglish while there. No problem, in a
matter of hours of arriving, it'll be like I never left.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=743352020-12032007>But
should I have to speak Spanish in, say, Idaho? No I shouldn't, yet I needed to
a couple of weeks ago while in the Boise area, because most of the hotel staff
did not speak Engish at all. In order to communicate my needs, I had to speak
Spanish. Was it the end of the world? No. Was it annoying? Yes, why should I
have to switch to a foreign language in order to communicate in my own
country? I shouldn't have to.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=743352020-12032007>I
think English should be the official language of the US. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=743352020-12032007>If
businesses want to deal in more than one language to attract customers, that
is their choice. I don't feel that Joe Taxpayer should have to pay for
government documents to be printed in every language on the
planet.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=743352020-12032007>I
think speaking more than one language is great, the more the better, but in my
home country I should only NEED to speak one.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com]<B>On
Behalf Of </B>Sue Hovey<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, March 12, 2007 1:18
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Donovan Arnold; keely emerinemix;
vision2020@moscow.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Words Bring
Pause<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>OK, I guess we can agree to disagree on the
English language mandate. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>But would you humor me on this one? You
said:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>If you haven't bought anything where the directions were primarily
Spanish it is because you haven't bought anything in a community that is in
the Southwestern United States. You probably buy your stuff in Moscow or
Spokane that is 98% White not 40% White. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I believe in buying locally so I don't tend to
run off to Arizona or California to buy products. If they are sold there
and not shipped out, why does that create a problem for you? And I
really would like an example. It's not that I'm unwilling to
believe you, I just want to know what one might be.
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Actually for the past three months I have
done all my buying in Hawaii--lucky me. There are many things I
love about this wonderful state, and among them is the benefit of its
linguistic diversity. I don't buy many products here that need
directions, but it's great fun to shop for groceries where one runs into
labels printed in many languages--of course one can shop in World Market in
Spokane and do the same thing. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sue</FONT></DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=suehovey@moscow.com
href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">Sue Hovey</A> ; <A title=kjajmix1@msn.com
href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">keely emerinemix</A> ; <A
title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, March 12, 2007 5:12
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Words Bring
Pause</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Sue,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>You wrote: </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>"Donovan, Your contention that those who don't speak English
are rude and make everyone cater to them is a pretty narrow view of the
conditions of many non-English speakers."</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>This is a false representation of what I said. I said I have the
deepest respect for those that try to learn the language and spite for those
that don't. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Unless you are mentally incapable, which I doubt most non-English
speaking people in this country are, you should be attempting to learn
the language. Further businesses and other agencies that print
everything in two or 20 languages are only allowing them to not
learn. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Many millions of people come into this country and refuse to learn the
language, they stay in cities like LA, Phoenix, and Las Vegas where
everything is in their language. They get jobs, go shopping, and drive on
the roads, not knowing more than three words in English and don't care
to learn it. I am not talking about people 65 who grew up in an other
country until last week, I am talking about people 18-50 that have
lived the better half of their life in this country, and people that refuse
to teach English to their children. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Anyone that really wants to learn English can learn English. I also
believe that it is a serious danger to the lives of people in this
country when people cannot communicate because of a language barrier, it
happens everyday, in emergency situations, or situations that quickly
because emergency situations because of a lack of communication. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Yes Sue, all the cultures that have come to the US have learned to
speak English. There are no major cities in the United States where the
majority speaks German, the Germans learned English, as did the French, the
Italians, the Greeks, the Spanish, the Russians, the Swedish, Japanese, all
did, even the Slaves that were forbidden by law from reading learned to
speak English. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>We have to have one language as a matter of necessity, you have road
signs, government literature, communications over the radio, TV and
Internet, the language of government meetings, the words on printed money
etc, can be only adequately done in one language. No one person chose the
English language we all agreed to it many years ago because it gave us the
greatest opportunity in the world. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>If you haven't bought anything where the directions were primarily
Spanish it is because you haven't bought anything in a community that is in
the Southwestern United States. You probably buy your stuff in Moscow or
Spokane that is 98% White not 40% White. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Not having everyone speak one language is not only an
inconvenience, it is also a danger to our society. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Further, I don't even think you should be able to get a driver's
license without being able to speak English. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Best,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Donovan </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><B><I>Sue Hovey <suehovey@moscow.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Donovan, Your contention that those
who don't speak English are rude and make everyone cater to them is a
pretty narrow view of the conditions of many non-English speakers.
Some of them are elderly with limited opportunities to learn
English, many of them are eager to learn and seek out classes only to
find they cannot afford the tuition or the classes are full. Others,
and I have known numbers of them, struggle to learn as much as they
can while they clean the houses, pick the fruit, and care for the
children of the more affluent. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I think I might not so much mind the
misguided efforts of arrogant lawmakers, if in their haste to proclaim
English as our national language, they also passed laws to facilitate that
learning for non-English speaking adults. Fortunately we do have
programs in place for school age children, but even today there is a
national movement to deny many of these children education
services. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>You state that all of our prior immigrants
learned to speak English, surely you know that is not
so. Certainly you are correct that being unable to speak
English does hinder those who need to make a living here. I don't
think you actually meant to say English is an American
invention--sometimes even those of us who speak it don't get it right all
the time. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I do see products with Spanish as well as
English instructions, but unless they are imports, Donovan, Your
contention that those who don't speak English are rude and make
everyone cater to them is a pretty narrow view of the conditions of many
non-English speakers. </FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sue</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=suehovey@moscow.com
href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">Sue Hovey</A> ; <A
title=kjajmix1@msn.com href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">keely
emerinemix</A> ; <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, March 11, 2007 7:14
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Words
Bring Pause</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Now the good Senator can go to Somalia and give the same speech to
them, as they too have also elected to make Somalia and
English their official languages. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I think helping those that cannot speak English in this
country is wonderful. However, I think not learning to speak the
language simple keeps those individuals down in society and hinders
society as well. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>In the sheltered world of Northern Idaho, Spanish is by far a
second language, but in many other parts of the west, in an increasing
number of places, English is the second language and most the people on
the street are speaking Spanish, not English, the signs are in Spanish
and if you do not speak Spanish you often find yourself unable to ask
the person next to you or an employee at a business a question.
</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Even instructions on some products are primarily in Spanish,
with English as the second language. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The US is a nation of immigrants, Spanish, German, French, Italian
Greek, Swedish, Irish, Arabic, Asian, African, Eskimo, etc. But they all
learned to speak English. It isn't favoritism, it even an American
invention, it isn't superiority, and it certainly isn't the most
sensible, logical, or easiest language to master, but they all, all,
even the poor ones, learned to speak the language. They didn't try to
change the country to their culture and language, they added too it,
they didn't destroy it, ignore it, or disrespect it. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>In the United States we speak English. To refuse to speak the
language of the people in the country you choose to live in is rude and
disrespectful to those in it. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I have the deepest respect for the people that come here and learn
the language, but I have nothing but spite for those that come here and
refuse to help out and make everyone cater to them.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Best,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Donovan </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>"If you speak English, Press 1 now. If you don't speak
English, learn it, then press 1."</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR><B><I>Sue Hovey <suehovey@moscow.com></I></B>
wrote:</DIV>
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Malepeai is a very special person and a remarkable teacher. One of
<BR>the impacts of legislation such as this is the harm in inflicts on
people <BR>who speak English (in Edgar's case it's beautifully spoken
and articulate as <BR>well) as a second language (or third or fourth)
because there is the implied <BR>message that some languages are
superior to others.<BR><BR>Some of you may not appreciate the message
"numero dos, para Espanol" but <BR>there are those of us who sometimes
push button two just to make our minds <BR>remember what we used to
know pretty well.<BR><BR>Closing with a non sequitur: When Governor
George Bush told Texans he was <BR>learning Spanish, Jim Hightower
responded, "Now he can be bi-ignorant."<BR><BR>Sue Hovey<BR>-----
Original Message ----- <BR>From: "keely emerinemix"
<KJAJMIX1@MSN.COM><BR>To: <THANSEN@MOSCOW.COM>;
<VISION2020@MOSCOW.COM><BR>Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 2:46
PM<BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Words Bring Pause<BR><BR><BR>>
Thanks to Sen. Malepeai for his clearheaded and rational comments
against <BR>> a<BR>> divisive and unnecessary
bill.<BR>><BR>> keely<BR>><BR>><BR>> From: "Tom Hansen"
<THANSEN@MOSCOW.COM><BR>> To: "Vision 2020"
<VISION2020@MOSCOW.COM><BR>> Subject: [Vision2020] Words Bring
Pause<BR>> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:42:03 -0700<BR>><BR>>
>From today's (March 11, 2007) Spokesman Review with a very special
thanks<BR>> to<BR>> State Senator Edgar Malepeai
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Words Bring Pause<BR>><BR>> The Idaho Senate voted 20-15 in
favor of Senate Bill 1172, declaring <BR>> English<BR>> to be
the official language of Idaho, in a debate that took a personal
<BR>> turn.<BR>><BR>> "It's not for shutting people out, but
bringing people in," Sen. Mel<BR>> Richardson, R-Idaho Falls, lead
sponsor of the bill, told the Senate.<BR>><BR>> Sen. Edgar
Malepeai, D-Pocatello, said quietly, "Looking around the <BR>>
chamber,<BR>> I think I'm probably the only one that has English as
a second language."<BR>> Malepeai recalled that his late father and
uncles served proudly in the <BR>> U.S.<BR>> military. "They
spoke very, very broken English, but they were proud<BR>> American
Samoans," Malepeai said. Democracy and freedom "is what
unifies<BR>> people in this country," he said, "not the English
language." A hush fell <BR>> in<BR>> the Senate after Malepeai's
comments, and no one else debated the bill.<BR>><BR>>
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