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<P><STRONG>Paying taxes on imaginary income (tips) is a Federal notion and a separate issue from the "tip credit" which Idaho has. Go over to Washington for your burger and the waitperson is making their State minimum of over $7 plus tips and paying taxes on all of it. . . real and imaginary.</STRONG></P>
<P><STRONG>So, next time you go out to eat, remember that person is paying Federal tax, plus any State taxes that apply to earnings, whether you leave a tip or not.</STRONG></P>
<P><STRONG>Paying tax on imaginary earnings has never been fair and didn't apply to all tipped persons. . . . only food and beverage workers. So, taxi drivers, hairdressers, etc. didn't feel the pinch when this was first inacted. I don't know for sure, but hopefully this loophole has been closed and now everyone is paying their fair share of tax on all their imaginary income.</STRONG></P>
<P><STRONG>Ellen Roskovich</STRONG><BR><BR></P></DIV>
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<DIV></DIV>From: <I>"Art Deco" <deco@moscow.com></I><BR>To: <I>"Vision 2020" <vision2020@moscow.com></I><BR>Subject: <I>Re: [Vision2020] Panel Rejects Day-Care Rules</I><BR>Date: <I>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 07:32:11 -0800</I><BR>>Continuing Debbie Gray's comment, Tom has raised another issue in addition<BR>>to the "Let's keep moms at home by making sure that day care centers are not<BR>>required to enforce safety and health rules and where sexual predators are<BR>>allowed to roam." [Much to most V 2020 relief, I won't comment in depth at<BR>>present on how this anti-child/family/working poor attitude has its origin<BR>>squarely in certain Christian beliefs.]<BR>><BR>>The second issue is that of not requiring restaurant owners to pay minimum<BR>>wages, but to force the servers, etc to live on gifts from
customers.<BR>><BR>>This bit of gross inequity shows how powerful the food and beverage industry<BR>>lobby is.<BR>><BR>>However, such a policy is misdirected. During the time I was actively<BR>>consulting, restaurants were among my clients. I found, generally speaking,<BR>>that paying servers, etc a living wage and not subtracting tips actually<BR>>improved the bottom line in the long run. The higher wages allowed the<BR>>restaurant to hire more experienced, better servers who could handle more<BR>>tables and whose unfaked, pleasant and engaging demeanor helped to increase<BR>>the frequency of return customers and attract by word of mouth new<BR>>customers. On a personal note, once I find that a particular restaurant<BR>>subtracts tips from wages, I generally do not patronize it if I have
a<BR>>reasonable choice.<BR>><BR>>So the Idaho legislature continues to be anti-family and anti<BR>>working/struggling poor. But the legislature presumably reflects the will<BR>>of those that elect them. It is a huge job to eradicate ignorance and<BR>>superstition.<BR>><BR>><BR>>W.<BR>>----- Original Message -----<BR>>From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen@moscow.com><BR>>To: "'Sue Hovey'" <suehovey@moscow.com>; "'Debbie Gray'"<BR>><graylex@yahoo.com>; "'vision2020'" <vision2020@moscow.com><BR>>Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 5:40 AM<BR>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Panel Rejects Day-Care Rules<BR>><BR>><BR>> > One Question: How does this help a single mother, working as a $3.35/hour<BR>> > waitress (since estimated tips can be "included" in a waitress' earnings)<BR>> >
provide healthy and safe care to her child?<BR>> ><BR>> > Tom Hansen<BR>> > Moscow, Idaho<BR>> ><BR>> > "Don't tell me why I can't.<BR>> > Show me how I can."<BR>> ><BR>> > - Author Unknown<BR>> ><BR>> > -----Original Message-----<BR>> ><BR>> > From: vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com]<BR>> > On Behalf Of Sue Hovey<BR>> > Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 9:33 PM<BR>> > To: Debbie Gray; vision2020<BR>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] ign'ant Idahoans against daycare<BR>> ><BR>> > Yes, I'm a bit puzzled, too, at the contention this bill would somehow<BR>> > force<BR>> ><BR>> > parents to use day care. Tom Loertscher with his "what can we do to keep<BR>> > mom's at home?" probably voted against the minimum wage bill,
too. I've<BR>> > always thought of him as one who isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer,<BR>> > even compared to JoAnn Wood--though she isn't ignorant, I think, just<BR>> > mean.<BR>> ><BR>> > Of course the not so subtle message from these folks could be, "a loving<BR>> > mother doesn't use day care, because we aren't going to provide you with<BR>> > the<BR>> ><BR>> > legal means to protect your child...." Just another example of the<BR>> > workings<BR>> ><BR>> > of those whose aim it is to protect children from conception to birth.<BR>> ><BR>> > Sue Hovey<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > ----- Original Message -----<BR>> > From: "Debbie Gray" <graylex@yahoo.com><BR>> > To: "vision2020" <vision2020@moscow.com><BR>> > Sent: Tuesday,
February 27, 2007 4:42 PM<BR>> > Subject: [Vision2020] ign'ant Idahoans against daycare<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> >> So is the whole point that these ignorant people are<BR>> >> trying to make daycare unsafe so as to keep moms at<BR>> >> home? Or what? And even if moms (OR DADS) wanted to<BR>> >> stay at home to care for their children 24/7, how many<BR>> >> can afford to do that these days? Shouldn't it be a<BR>> >> CHOICE??? Oh wait, R's don't like that word.<BR>> >><BR>> >> Debbie Gray<BR>> >><BR>> >> spokesman review<BR>> >> Panel rejects day-care rules<BR>> >> House committee limits supporters; 2 members suggest<BR>> >> mothers stay home<BR>> >> Betsy Z. Russell<BR>> >> February 27, 2007<BR>> >><BR>> >> BOISE With some
members saying mothers should stay<BR>> >> home with their<BR>> >> children, members of a House committee on Monday<BR>> >> killed legislation to<BR>> >> require minimum safety standards and criminal<BR>> >> history checks for Idaho day<BR>> >> cares.<BR>> >><BR>> >> "It's gut-wrenching for me," Rep. Tom Loertscher,<BR>> >> R-Iona, said before the 6-5 vote against the bill.<BR>> >> "What can we do to keep mom at home?"<BR>> >><BR>> >> Loertscher said he "cannot imagine" ever taking a<BR>> >> child to a day-care<BR>> >> center and said, "There is no substitute, there is<BR>> >> absolutely no<BR>> >> substitute for families taking care of children."<BR>> >><BR>> >> Rep. Steven Thayn, R-Emmett, said, "Being separate<BR>>
>> from your mother<BR>> >> there's reason to believe this could be harmful."<BR>> >><BR>> >> The House Health and Welfare Committee kept backers<BR>> >> of the day-care<BR>> >> licensing bill waiting until long after 5 p.m. for a<BR>> >> hearing that was<BR>> >> scheduled to start at 1:30 after it was put off last<BR>> >> week then limited<BR>> >> them to three minutes apiece to testify in favor of<BR>> >> the bill.<BR>> >><BR>> >> A stunned Cathy Kowalski, a Coeur d'Alene early<BR>> >> childhood consultant who<BR>> >> has worked on the bill for three years, said, "I<BR>> >> think it is a committee<BR>> >> whose members are definitely out of touch with the<BR>> >> needs of their<BR>> >> constituents, and I think the
working families in<BR>> >> their districts need to<BR>> >> let them know."<BR>> >><BR>> >> Sylvia Chariton, who testified in favor of the bill<BR>> >> on behalf of the<BR>> >> American Association of University Women of Idaho,<BR>> >> said, "It's ridiculous<BR>> >> those men live in a time warp, when 60 percent of<BR>> >> all mothers of children<BR>> >> under 6 years of age take them someplace to be cared<BR>> >> for."<BR>> >><BR>> >> Rep. George Sayler, D-Coeur d'Alene, the bill's lead<BR>> >> sponsor, told the<BR>> >> committee, "For working parents it is a vital<BR>> >> concern."<BR>> >><BR>> >> His bill, HB 163, originally would have set minimal<BR>> >> health and safety<BR>> >> standards, training
requirements, and staffing<BR>> >> levels, and required<BR>> >> criminal history checks for day cares caring for as<BR>> >> few as two unrelated<BR>> >> children, but he offered amendments to raise that to<BR>> >> apply only to those<BR>> >> caring for six or more children. "We're not trying<BR>> >> to be burdensome,"<BR>> >> Sayler told the committee.<BR>> >><BR>> >> Karen Mason, executive director of the Idaho<BR>> >> Association for the Education<BR>> >> of Young Children, told of complaints her group has<BR>> >> received about<BR>> >> children being locked in rooms at day cares with no<BR>> >> escape, infants never<BR>> >> taken out of playpens, and unqualified caregivers<BR>> >> with criminal<BR>> >> backgrounds.<BR>>
>><BR>> >> Elena Rodriguez of Idaho Voices for Children said,<BR>> >> "The current lack of<BR>> >> adequate standards for child care puts children at<BR>> >> risk. That's what we<BR>> >> want to correct."<BR>> >><BR>> >> More than 70,000 Idaho children under age 5 are in<BR>> >> day care, Rodriguez<BR>> >> told the committee.<BR>> >><BR>> >> All the testimony was in favor of the bill, except<BR>> >> that of one state<BR>> >> representative, Rep. JoAn Wood, R-Rigby. Wood<BR>> >> testified that when she<BR>> >> served on the Health and Welfare Committee 25 years<BR>> >> ago, "we had almost<BR>> >> the same information brought to us."<BR>> >><BR>> >> At that time, she said, the panel opted against<BR>>
>> state licensing for<BR>> >> centers with fewer than 13 children. "I would plead<BR>> >> with you I think it's<BR>> >> working well," Wood told the committee. "We just<BR>> >> don't see the problems<BR>> >> there in the rural area where I am."<BR>> >><BR>> >> Rep. John Rusche, D-Lewiston, a physician who serves<BR>> >> on the committee,<BR>> >> disagreed. He said he's seen terrible cases,<BR>> >> including a toddler who<BR>> >> drowned in a horse trough that wasn't separated from<BR>> >> the day care and<BR>> >> other children with severe injuries suffered in<BR>> >> unsafe day cares.<BR>> >><BR>> >> Nine Idaho cities, including Coeur d'Alene, have<BR>> >> stricter day-care<BR>> >> licensing rules, but operators who run
afoul of city<BR>> >> regulations can move<BR>> >> outside city limits.<BR>> >><BR>> >> Boise businessman Bill Ziegert told the panel, "Our<BR>> >> world has changed, and<BR>> >> we no longer live in a society where all preschool<BR>> >> children stayed at home<BR>> >> or were left with relatives." He said for his<BR>> >> employees day care is<BR>> >> essential, and he called the bill "important and<BR>> >> necessary."<BR>> >><BR>> >> Rep. Pete Nielsen, R-Mountain Home, said he thought<BR>> >> that if the committee<BR>> >> agreed to amend the bill, the backers would only try<BR>> >> to remove the<BR>> >> amendments in the future. "They only submitted the<BR>> >> amendments to try and<BR>> >> get us to buy off on this,"
he said.<BR>> >><BR>> >> Rep. Lynn Luker, R-Boise, urged support.<BR>> >> "When I first saw this bill I was not in favor of<BR>> >> it, but with the<BR>> >> amendments I am more supportive of it. Because in<BR>> >> our society, it's<BR>> >> different than it was 15 or 20 years ago," he said.<BR>> >><BR>> >> Rep. Paul Shepherd, R-Riggins, said, "It's a tough<BR>> >> one for me, because my<BR>> >> district has some large communities that it will be<BR>> >> a positive thing, but<BR>> >> I also have way more communities that it will be<BR>> >> detrimental. I don't see<BR>> >> why we need to address it."<BR>> >><BR>> >> Wood told the panel, "I think you're going to put a<BR>> >> lot of young women<BR>> >> that
babysit out of business."<BR>> >><BR>> >> In the final vote, the committee's three Democrats<BR>> >> and two Republicans<BR>> >> voted in favor of the amended bill. In addition to<BR>> >> Rusche and Luker, they<BR>> >> included Sharon Block, R-Idaho Falls; and Boise<BR>> >> Democrats Sue Chew and Margaret Henbest.<BR>> >><BR>> >> Six Republicans voted against the bill even as<BR>> >> amended: Reps. Nielsen,<BR>> >> Loertscher, Thayn and Shepherd; Janice McGeachin,<BR>> >> R-Idaho Falls; and Jim<BR>> >> Marriott, R-Blackfoot.<BR>> >><BR>> >> Sayler said afterward, "What can I say it's<BR>> >> disappointing. I'll tell you,<BR>> >> frankly what I heard was not concern for children it<BR>> >> was concern about<BR>> >>
regulation. Our society has changed."<BR>> >><BR>> >> Ziegert, the Boise businessman, said, "It was<BR>> >> amazing to me, that you<BR>> >> could have all of the testimony in support of it,<BR>> >> people with facts and so<BR>> >> forth," and still the committee rejected the bill.<BR>> >><BR>> >> Kowalski said, "The problem has not been solved.<BR>> >> The issue will not go<BR>> >> away."<BR>> >><BR>> >> House Bill 163 originally would have set minimal<BR>> >> health and safety<BR>> >> standards, training requirements, and staffing<BR>> >> levels, and required<BR>> >> criminal history checks for day cares caring for as<BR>> >> few as two unrelated<BR>> >> children.<BR>> >><BR>> >>
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