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<DIV align=justify><FONT face=Arial size=2>Well, it looks as though all the
usual suspects have reported in and, shockingly, no one could meet the rather
meager requirement of providing just one cite for the reckless statement that
you made. You really would think that with all his "books and sermons," (no
dear, not yet) with the "hundreds of occasions" and the "several different ways
in several different mediums" you, or one of your fellow Mensa
members, could have come up with something better then, and please forgive
my paraphrase, well, Greg Dickison wrote something almost kind of like that
once. And someone is calling me desperate? I guess the old adage sung to the
tune of "if you don't have what it takes to back up your stupid assertions,
squeal louder," is permanently cued up on your play list. I hate to be the one
to break the news to you but, it's got no beat and you just can't dance to
it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>g</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>----- Original Message ----- </FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>From: "J Ford" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>privatejf32@hotmail.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>To: <</FONT><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 10:53
AM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Wilson's
Excuses</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><BR><FONT size=2></FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2>> <BR>> Just read his books, listen to his sermons (you going
regularly yet?) and <BR>> talk to him. He has said it several different
ways in several different <BR>> mediums - PICK ONE.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
J :]<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>>>From: "g.
crabtree" <</FONT><A href="mailto:jampot@adelphia.net"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>jampot@adelphia.net</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>><BR>>>To:
"J Ford" <</FONT><A href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>privatejf32@hotmail.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>>,
<</FONT><A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Wilson's
Excuses<BR>>>Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 10:10:23
-0800<BR>>><BR>>>All righty then, here's your chance to turn me to
the dim side. Provide for <BR>>>me a cite in which "Doug hiself"
declares:<BR>>><BR>>>"I'll (He'll) kill a child that disobeys his
parent, I'll(he'll) kill any <BR>>>gay just because they are
gay"<BR>>><BR>>>I don't want to hear where you infer this from
something he or someone else <BR>>>says. I don't want your subjective
paraphrase, I want the exact quote <BR>>>verbatim, in context, just the
way you spewed it. (or as close as your <BR>>>fevered little mind can
come) With several hundred occasions I'm guessing <BR>>>that this will be
a walk in the park for you.<BR>>><BR>>>On the faint chance you can't
manage to provide me with the proof that you <BR>>>claim abounds, how
about you give it a rest for a while?<BR>>><BR>>>g<BR>>>-----
Original Message -----<BR>>>From: "J Ford" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>privatejf32@hotmail.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>>To: <</FONT><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>>Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 8:24
PM<BR>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Wilson's
Excuses<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> ><BR>>> > So, let me get
this straight...hearing it from DOUG hiself is not good<BR>>> > enough
for Gary to believe it? He has to have other people's input
<BR>>>before<BR>>> > he buys into what the Girthmister has said
SEVERAL HUNDRED TIMES!!???<BR>>> ><BR>>> > Huh....something
just WRONG about that picture. Either you buy what
<BR>>>Doug<BR>>> > says with his own mouth or you don't.
All fence sitting gets you is<BR>>> > splinters!<BR>>>
><BR>>> ><BR>>> > J :]<BR>>> ><BR>>>
><BR>>> ><BR>>> ><BR>>> ><BR>>>
>>From: "Art Deco" <</FONT><A href="mailto:deco@moscow.com"><FONT
face=Arial size=2>deco@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>> >>To: "Vision 2020" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>><BR>>>
>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Wilson's Excuses<BR>>> >>Date:
Fri, 16 Feb 2007 19:12:07 -0800<BR>>> >><BR>>> >>Just
another remainder: When Keely asked the Cultmaster during her<BR>>>
>>broadcasted debate with him to repudiate the article by Greg Dickison
at<BR>>> >>issue, Wilson refused to do so.<BR>>>
>><BR>>> >>Also:<BR>>>
>>http://www.credenda.org/about.php<BR>>> >><BR>>>
>>Editor: Douglas Wilson<BR>>> >>Senior Editor: Douglas
Jones<BR>>> >>Managing Editor: Nathan Wilson<BR>>>
>>Contributing Editors:Chris Schlect, Ben Merkle, Gary Hagen, Peter
<BR>>>Leithart,<BR>>> >>Patch Blakey, Joost Nixon, Gregory C.
Dickison, and Pablo MacArthur.<BR>>> >><BR>>> >>Credenda
Agenda is a bimonthly periodical exploring all areas of life
<BR>>>from<BR>>> >>a biblical, classical Protestant
perspective.<BR>>> >><BR>>> >>Wilson will not repudiate
the article because it is part of his cult <BR>>>dicta,<BR>>>
>>and is what the world would be if he could establish and rule over
his<BR>>> >>desperately desired theocracy.<BR>>>
>><BR>>> >>Gary wrote:<BR>>> >><BR>>>
>>"I wouldn't comment on it till I had an opportunity to speak with folks
<BR>>>a<BR>>> >>little closer to the source."<BR>>>
>><BR>>> >>Have you now spoken with folks a little closer to
the source?<BR>>> >><BR>>> >><BR>>>
>>W.<BR>>> >><BR>>> >>----- Original Message
-----<BR>>> >>From: g. crabtree<BR>>> >>To: Art Deco ;
Vision 2020<BR>>> >>Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 5:50
PM<BR>>> >>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Wilson's Excuses<BR>>>
>><BR>>> >><BR>>> >>I am only too well aware of
what the lists resident lunatic is ranting<BR>>>
>>about.<BR>>> >><BR>>> >> A computer melt
down just about a year ago deprives me of my sent <BR>>>items<BR>>>
>>file but, if memory serves me, what I actually said regarding the
<BR>>>article<BR>>> >>you reference was that I wouldn't
comment on it till I had an <BR>>>opportunity<BR>>> >>to speak
with folks a little closer to the source. No promise to report<BR>>>
>>back, I don't do homework assignments. Sorry.<BR>>>
>><BR>>> >>g<BR>>> >> ----- Original
Message -----<BR>>> >> From: Art Deco<BR>>>
>> To: Vision 2020<BR>>> >> Sent:
Friday, February 16, 2007 4:30 PM<BR>>> >> Subject: Re:
[Vision2020] Wilson's Excuses<BR>>> >><BR>>>
>><BR>>> >> Below is what JFord was referring
to. Or have you forgotten your<BR>>> >>written intention to
get back to the list after your investigation of <BR>>>this<BR>>>
>>gem?<BR>>> >><BR>>> >>
W.<BR>>> >><BR>>> >><BR>>> >>
</FONT><A href="http://www.credenda.org/old/issues/vol3/magi3-9.htm"><FONT
face=Arial
size=2>http://www.credenda.org/old/issues/vol3/magi3-9.htm</FONT></A><BR><FONT
face=Arial size=2>>> >> Magistralis<BR>>>
>><BR>>> >><BR>>> >> Your Eye Shall
Not Pity<BR>>> >> Greg Dickison<BR>>>
>><BR>>> >><BR>>> >><BR>>>
>> he civil magistrate is the minister of God to execute wrath
on the<BR>>> >>wrongdoer (Rom. 13:4). God has not left his civil
minister without <BR>>>guidance<BR>>> >>on how to exercise his
office. The Scriptures set forth clear standards <BR>>>of<BR>>>
>>judgment for many offenses. Capital crimes, for example,
include<BR>>> >>premeditated killing (murder), kidnapping, sorcery,
bestiality, <BR>>>adultery,<BR>>> >>homosexuality, and cursing
one's parents (Ex. 21:14; 21:16; 22:18; <BR>>>22:19;<BR>>>
>>Lev. 20:10; 20:13; Ex. 21:17).<BR>>> >><BR>>>
>> In contemporary American jurisprudence, none of these
offenses is<BR>>> >>punishable by death, with the occasional
exception of murder. The<BR>>> >>magistrates have dispensed with
God's standards of justice. Some <BR>>>Christians<BR>>>
>>believe this is an improvement. They would be horrified to think that
<BR>>>the<BR>>> >>"harsh" penalties of the law should still be
applied. Sometimes this is <BR>>>the<BR>>> >>result of the
mistaken belief that the Old Testament has no further<BR>>>
>>application after the advent of Christ. This is an exegetical problem.
<BR>>>Too<BR>>> >>often, it is the result of a sinful view of
the criminal. This sin is<BR>>> >>called pity.<BR>>>
>><BR>>> >> Pity is a compassionate and
sympathetic response to another's <BR>>>distress.<BR>>> >>It
manifests itself by some action deemed to be beneficent to the one
<BR>>>who<BR>>> >>is the object of the pity. It is
characterized by the thought, "There, <BR>>>but<BR>>> >>for
the grace of God, go I." So what is wrong with that? Why is pity a
<BR>>>sin?<BR>>> >><BR>>> >> First,
pity is not always a sin. But neither is it always good. The<BR>>>
>>Bible teaches that the moral character of pity depends on the context
in<BR>>> >>which it is exercised.<BR>>> >><BR>>>
>> He who has pity on the poor lends to the Lord, and He will
pay back <BR>>>what<BR>>> >>he has given (Prov. 19:17). Pity
toward the poor is good. David was<BR>>> >>condemned by God when he
did not take pity on Uriah, a poor man (2 Sam.<BR>>> >>12:110).
David sought pity when he was under the reproach of his enemies<BR>>>
>>(Ps. 69:20). It would have been a comfort to him in his adversity. If
<BR>>>God<BR>>> >>had not taken pity on His people, we would
all be lost in our sins (Is.<BR>>> >>63:9).<BR>>>
>><BR>>> >> There are also examples of God's
refusal to have pity, as when <BR>>>Jerusalem<BR>>> >>defiled
His sanctuary (Ez. 5:11). Likewise, God included in the law<BR>>>
>>specific prohibitions against the exercise of pity in meting
out<BR>>> >>punishment.<BR>>> >><BR>>>
>><BR>>> >> If your brother, the son of your
mother, your son or your daughter, <BR>>>the<BR>>> >>wife of
your bosom, or your friend who is as your own soul, secretly<BR>>>
>>entices you, saying, "Let us go and serve other gods,". . . you shall
<BR>>>not<BR>>> >>consent to him or listen to him, nor shall
your eye pity him, nor shall <BR>>>you<BR>>> >>spare him or
conceal him; but you shall surely kill him . . . (Deut.<BR>>>
>>13:69).<BR>>> >><BR>>> >><BR>>>
>> But if anyone hates his neighbor, lies in wait for him,
rises against<BR>>> >>him and strikes him mortally, so that he dies,
and he flees to one of <BR>>>these<BR>>> >>cities, then the
elders of his city shall send and bring him from there,<BR>>> >>and
deliver him over to the hand of the avenger of blood, that he may
<BR>>>die.<BR>>> >>Your eye shall not pity him, but you shall
put away the guilt of <BR>>>innocent<BR>>> >>blood from
Israel, that it may go well with you (Deut. 19:1113).<BR>>>
>><BR>>> >><BR>>> >> If a false
witness rises against any man to testify against him of<BR>>>
>>wrongdoing, then both men in the controversy shall stand before the
<BR>>>Lord,<BR>>> >>before the priests and the judges who
serve in those days. And the <BR>>>judges<BR>>> >>shall make
diligent inquiry, and indeed, if the witness is a false
<BR>>>witness,<BR>>> >>who has testified falsely against his
brother, then you shall do to him <BR>>>as<BR>>> >>he thought
to have done to his brother, so you shall put away the evil<BR>>>
>>person from among you. Your eye shall not pity . . . (Deut. 19.1619,
<BR>>>21).<BR>>> >><BR>>> >><BR>>>
>> If two men fight together, and the wife of one draws near
to rescue <BR>>>her<BR>>> >>husband from the hand of the one
attacking him, and puts out the hand <BR>>>and<BR>>> >>seizes
him by the genitals, then you shall cut off her hand; your eye
<BR>>>shall<BR>>> >>not pity her (Deut. 25:11,
12).<BR>>> >><BR>>> >><BR>>> >>
The tendency of modern American law is to look at whether the
<BR>>>particular<BR>>> >>criminal deserves the penalty
involved. Witnesses are brought in <BR>>>(usually<BR>>> >>the
defendant's mother) to say that Johnny is really a good boy who just<BR>>>
>>got in with the wrong crowd and deserves another chance. Or the
judge<BR>>> >>considers whether the accused is sorry for what he
did. Those who side <BR>>>with<BR>>> >>the victim can go to
the other extreme; the prosecutor is allowed to <BR>>>bring<BR>>>
>>in witnesses to testify to what a great guy the victim was, or to
the<BR>>> >>impact of the crime on the victim's family. Justice
becomes a contest to<BR>>> >>see which side can generate the most
pity.<BR>>> >><BR>>> >> God commands the
judge to evaluate the crime rather than the <BR>>>criminal.<BR>>>
>>If the crime is one for which God requires death, then death must be
the<BR>>> >>punishment. Your eye shall not pity. Neither is the
repentance of the<BR>>> >>accused relevant to the imposition of the
sentence. When it was <BR>>>discovered<BR>>> >>that Achan had
kept some of the spoil of Jericho, Joshua beseeched him
<BR>>>to<BR>>> >>repent. And Achan answered Joshua and said,
`Indeed, I have sinned <BR>>>against<BR>>> >>the Lord God of
Israel, and this is what I have done . . . (Josh.
<BR>>>7:19-20).<BR>>> >>After Achan confessed, he was still
stoned to death.<BR>>> >><BR>>> >> Thus, the
Bible teaches that pity is not an option where God has
<BR>>>decided<BR>>> >>the matter. The magistrate, God's
minister, is to faithfully execute<BR>>> >>justice according to
God's standard, not man's.<BR>>> >><BR>>> >>
What the Bible does not teach is that the preaching of the gospel
and<BR>>> >>repentance have no place on death row. Indeed, it is
hard to imagine a<BR>>> >>place where there is a more immediate need
of grace, and a presentation <BR>>>of<BR>>> >>the gospel
should be the first response of Christians to those who are<BR>>>
>>condemned. But condemnation still must come if we are to be obedient
to<BR>>> >>God's Word. We must respond to the wrongdoer biblically
in both judgment<BR>>> >>and grace.<BR>>> >><BR>>>
>> This means that we must return to an obedience which
confines pity<BR>>> >>within the bounds which God has established
for us.<BR>>> >><BR>>> >><BR>>>
>><BR>>> >> ----- Original Message
-----<BR>>> >> From: g. crabtree<BR>>>
>> To: J Ford ; </FONT><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>>>
>> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 3:46 PM<BR>>>
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Wilson's Excuses<BR>>>
>><BR>>> >><BR>>> >><BR>>>
>><BR>>> >> "He'll kill a child that disobeys his
parent,<BR>>> >> he'll kill any gay just because they
are gay"<BR>>> >><BR>>> >> Get a grip on
yourself. This is over the top, even by the standards
<BR>>>that<BR>>> >>you have previously set. The term slander
gets tossed about pretty <BR>>>freely<BR>>> >>on this forum
(even when they really mean libel) but there is no
<BR>>>question<BR>>> >>that you are crossing a line with these
kinds of ridicules and baseless<BR>>> >>comments. Please just
stop.<BR>>> >><BR>>> >> g<BR>>>
>> ----- Original Message -----<BR>>>
>> From: "J Ford" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>privatejf32@hotmail.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>> >> To: <</FONT><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>><BR>>>
>> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 1:46 PM<BR>>>
>> Subject: [Vision2020] Wilson's Excuses<BR>>>
>><BR>>> >><BR>>> >> > During that
same "talk" Wilson said he has "welcomed back into the<BR>>>
>>church<BR>>> >> > fold, those young
men". What does this mean? The children victims<BR>>>
>>and<BR>>> >> > their families, of Sitler and
Jamin get to look at his ugly mug no<BR>>> >>matter<BR>>>
>> > what function, or service, or gathering is going
on. Wilson <BR>>>REFUSED<BR>>> >>to<BR>>>
>> > admit or confirm that Sitler or Jamin would ever be
banned from any <BR>>>of<BR>>> >>the<BR>>>
>> > above, only that they would be monitored. And
remember that just<BR>>> >>because<BR>>> >>
> Jamin had his charge reduced (ostensibly because the victim had<BR>>>
>>"consented"<BR>>> >> > to Jamin's sexual
attention) does not mean that what he did was any<BR>>>
>>less<BR>>> >> > severe an act of child
molestation than what Sitler did to his<BR>>> >>victims.<BR>>>
>> > Court technicalities do NOT negate the seriousness of
the crime, <BR>>>just<BR>>> >>the<BR>>>
>> > perception of the legal system that they are "winning"
a case. And <BR>>>as<BR>>> >>far<BR>>>
>> > as "Let's Make A Deal Monty" Thompson is concerned,
that's better<BR>>> >>looking<BR>>> >> >
than a check in the "maybe could win" column any day. He did not
<BR>>>want<BR>>> >>to<BR>>> >> >
take the chance of the child being up on the stand and explaining
<BR>>>to<BR>>> >>the<BR>>> >> >
jury that she wanted and invited Jamin's attentions as he felt that<BR>>>
>>would<BR>>> >> > hurt his case. The
only thing it hurts is Jamin and the child - <BR>>>WHO<BR>>>
>>KNEW<BR>>> >> > THAT CHILD WAS NOT CAPABLE OF
MAKING THAT KIND OF RATIONAL <BR>>>DECISION,<BR>>> >>but
he<BR>>> >> > went with his sickly-man instincts and
did it anyway - repeatedly <BR>>>over<BR>>> >>a<BR>>>
>> > very long period of time. There is NO
distinction between Sitler<BR>>> >>hurting<BR>>>
>> > 100(+) victims and Jamin hurting one or two
victims...once done, it<BR>>> >>can not<BR>>>
>> > be undone and the damage is far reaching into that
child's life and<BR>>> >>future.<BR>>> >>
> Yet, Wilson will allow both of these creeps back into the church,
<BR>>>back<BR>>> >>into<BR>>> >> >
the fold, back into the activities (do not be fooled by his saying<BR>>>
>>"they<BR>>> >> > will monitored" - just how
is Wilson going to do that unless those<BR>>> >>creeps<BR>>>
>> > are chained to someone else?) If I were a parent
of a child victim <BR>>>of<BR>>> >> > either of
these molesters, and a member of that church, I would be<BR>>>
>>doing<BR>>> >> > some serious thinking about
continuing the membership at such a <BR>>>church<BR>>>
>>as<BR>>> >> > well as the continued
"non-pastorship" of Doug Wilson. This is a <BR>>>man<BR>>>
>>who<BR>>> >> > has receive ZERO training in
pastoring as well ZERO training or<BR>>> >>education in<BR>>>
>> > the treatment of child molesters.<BR>>>
>> ><BR>>> >> > And let there be
NO doubt about it - Sitler and Jamin are CHILD<BR>>> >>
> MOLESTERS!!!! And they will repeat their crimes because they
<BR>>>simply<BR>>> >>do not<BR>>> >>
> wish to change. They may calm down, may even go dormant for a
<BR>>>while -<BR>>> >>but<BR>>> >>
> they WILL strike again. Anyone willing to sacrifice their child
<BR>>>for<BR>>> >>the<BR>>> >> >
ego-growth of their non-pastor? Every time Sitler and Jamin
are<BR>>> >>anywhere<BR>>> >> > near a
child, that is EXACTLY what you are doing.<BR>>> >>
><BR>>> >> > Oh and lets not forget the lame-assed
reasoning of Wilson that he <BR>>>has<BR>>> >>
> received their confessions and has forgiven them their crimes,
<BR>>>because<BR>>> >> > that's the business he
is in. He'll kill a child that disobeys his<BR>>>
>>parent,<BR>>> >> > he'll kill any gay just
because they are gay, he'll call people he<BR>>> >>does
not<BR>>> >> > even know his enemy just because they
don't agree with him - but<BR>>> >>Sitler and<BR>>>
>> > Jamin, he'll forgive for ruining the lives of
innocents! Like he's <BR>>>in<BR>>> >>any<BR>>>
>> > position to do either!<BR>>>
>> ><BR>>> >> > How about the
children victims of those two? Both men are supposed
<BR>>>to<BR>>> >>be<BR>>> >> >
paying restitution to those victims. Court papers show both
are<BR>>> >>BEHIND in<BR>>> >> > doing
that. Of course, the CC will hire Sitler when he gets out
<BR>>>just<BR>>> >>as<BR>>> >> >
they have done with Jamin. How else are they going to make the
<BR>>>money<BR>>> >> > necessary to pay this
debt? Well, and now Jamin has two moving<BR>>>
>>violations<BR>>> >> > he has to pay
for. TWO, in less than two weeks out of jail, Jamin<BR>>>
>>gets into<BR>>> >> > trouble - Great start,
Jamin. Can't even keep you nose clean long<BR>>> >>enough
to<BR>>> >> > travel safely on the very streets
children live on!<BR>>> >> ><BR>>>
>> > This is the type of monitoring Wilson will be
doing? Parents - <BR>>>KNOW<BR>>> >>WHERE<BR>>>
>> > YOUR KIDS ARE AND WHO THEY ARE TALKING TO!<BR>>>
>> ><BR>>> >> ><BR>>>
>> > J :]<BR>>> >>
><BR>>> >> ><BR>>> >>
><BR>>> >> ><BR>>> >>
><BR>>> >> >>From: "Art Deco" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:deco@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>deco@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>><BR>>>
>> >>To: "Vision 2020" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>><BR>>>
>> >>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Gooooooooood Morning,
Moscow, Idaho<BR>>> >> >>Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007
09:47:28 -0800<BR>>> >> >><BR>>>
>> >>Tom quotes Cultmaster Douglas Wilson:<BR>>>
>> >><BR>>> >> >>"I'll
just speak for our church, in Christ Church [sic]. If I
<BR>>>found<BR>>> >>out<BR>>> >>
>>that a member of our church or a church officer was lying
to<BR>>> >>non-believers<BR>>> >> >>in
the community, as a way to get by or protect themself [sic] or<BR>>>
>>protect<BR>>> >> >>his reputation, yes,
he'd be disciplined."<BR>>> >> >><BR>>>
>> >>This is a very curious statement by the
Cultmaster. Even if it is<BR>>> >>
>>believed, as improbable as it is given clear and cogent evidence
to<BR>>> >>the<BR>>> >> >>contrary,
there are some revealing omissions of several different<BR>>>
>> >>categories of lying that are covered by Wilson's
statement.<BR>>> >> >><BR>>>
>> >>Would someone be disciplined if they lied
to:<BR>>> >> >><BR>>> >>
>>1. Protect the Wilson & Family's Christless Cult
& Cash Machine <BR>>>--<BR>>> >>(You<BR>>>
>> >>must tolerate us since we do not tolerate anyone
else)?<BR>>> >> >>2. Protect
Doug Wilson?<BR>>> >> >>3.
Protect any of the upper echelon of the cult or their<BR>>>
>>wives/children?<BR>>> >>
>>4. Obstruct justice by reporting all crimes, no matter
how <BR>>>serious,<BR>>> >>and<BR>>>
>> >>especially crimes of child sexual abuse, through
the cult ward <BR>>>system,<BR>>> >>and<BR>>>
>> >>thus to the Cultmaster, instead of and/or before
reporting them to <BR>>>the<BR>>> >>
>>proper law enforcement agencies?<BR>>> >>
>>5. Does the claim of imposed discipline apply to the
lies of the<BR>>> >> >>Cultmaster himself?
Who would discipline him? The gutless elders,<BR>>>
>>almost<BR>>> >> >>all of whom are
economically dependent on Cultmaster Wilson? Yeah,<BR>>>
>>right.<BR>>> >> >>Etc, etc.<BR>>>
>> >><BR>>> >> >>None of
these above acts of falsehood are included in the list of<BR>>>
>> >>impermissible lies upon closer examination of
Wilson's artful<BR>>> >>statement.<BR>>> >>
>><BR>>> >> >>And what does "disciplined"
mean?<BR>>> >> >><BR>>> >>
>><BR>>> >> >>For the innocents: This
statement and the dog and pony shoe from<BR>>> >>which
it<BR>>> >> >>was quoted is another example of how
a skilled confidence trickster<BR>>> >>
>>operates. A statement is made that seems very open-faced and
<BR>>>sincere<BR>>> >>to<BR>>> >>
>>those with relaxed, undeveloped, or rusty crap-detectors. But
<BR>>>after<BR>>> >>closer<BR>>> >>
>>examination, the statement is found to be not so open-faced,
but<BR>>> >>deceptive,<BR>>> >> >>and
certainly not believable.<BR>>> >> >><BR>>>
>> >>Other example of this kind of confidence
trickster's dishonesty was<BR>>> >> >>Wilson's
statement that sexual predator/serial child sexual abuser
<BR>>>and<BR>>> >>New<BR>>> >>
>>Saint Andrews student James Sitler was not a member of Christ
<BR>>>Church.<BR>>> >>In<BR>>> >>
>>some technical way, despite being away from his home church
in<BR>>> >>Colville,<BR>>> >>
>>Washington, for a long period, it was claimed he was a member
<BR>>>there.<BR>>> >> >>However, here's the
truth: Sitler attended Christ Church services <BR>>>the<BR>>>
>> >>entire time he was here attending New Saint
Andrews, a Christ <BR>>>Church<BR>>> >>
>>adjunct. Sitler was also boarded by a Christ Church member
family<BR>>> >>whom he<BR>>> >>
>>rewarded for their graciousness by sexually debauching their
young<BR>>> >>children<BR>>> >>
>>multiple times.<BR>>> >> >><BR>>>
>> >>Hence, the truth is that James Sitler committed his
heinous acts of<BR>>> >> >>depravity while under
the auspices of Christ Church and its <BR>>>affiliate,<BR>>>
>>New<BR>>> >> >>Saint Andrews. Sitler
continued to engage in this egregious <BR>>>preying<BR>>>
>>upon<BR>>> >> >>young victims even though
several New Saint Andrews students found <BR>>>his<BR>>>
>> >>obsession with children to be very troubling and
perhaps <BR>>>pathological.<BR>>> >> The<BR>>>
>> >>thoughtful reader will also see a connection
between point 4 above <BR>>>and<BR>>> >>the<BR>>>
>> >>Sitler case. The thoughtful reader may also
wonder when Cultmaster<BR>>> >>Wilson<BR>>>
>> >>first learned about the probabilities concerning
Sitler's sexual<BR>>> >> >>proclivities -- before
or after his matriculation at New Saint<BR>>> >>Andrews.<BR>>>
>> >><BR>>> >> >>Art Deco
(Wayne A. Fox)<BR>>> >>
>>deco@moscow.com<BR>>> >> >><BR>>>
>> >><BR>>> >>
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>><BR>>> >> >> > "I'll just speak for our
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>>that<BR>>> >> >>a<BR>>>
>> >> > member of our church or a church officer was
lying to <BR>>>non-believers<BR>>> >>in<BR>>>
>> >>the<BR>>> >> >> >
community, as a way to get by or protect themself or protect his<BR>>>
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