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<DIV>Below is what JFord was referring to. Or have you forgotten your
written intention to get back to the list after your investigation of this
gem?</DIV>
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<DIV>W.</DIV>
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<H2><I>Magistralis</I></H2>
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<H3>Your Eye Shall Not Pity</H3>
<H4><I>Greg Dickison</I></H4><IMG
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<P>he civil magistrate is the minister of God to execute wrath on the wrongdoer
(Rom. 13:4). God has not left his civil minister without guidance on how to
exercise his office. The Scriptures set forth clear standards of judgment for
many offenses. <STRONG><FONT color=#ff0000>Capital crimes</FONT></STRONG>, for
example, include premeditated killing (murder), kidnapping, sorcery, bestiality,
adultery, homosexuality, and <STRONG><FONT color=#ff0000>cursing one's
parents</FONT></STRONG> (Ex. 21:14; 21:16; 22:18; 22:19; Lev. 20:10; 20:13; Ex.
21:17). </P>
<P>In contemporary American jurisprudence, none of these offenses is punishable
by death, with the occasional exception of murder. The magistrates have
dispensed with God's standards of justice. Some Christians believe this is an
improvement. They would be horrified to think that the "harsh" penalties of the
law should still be applied. Sometimes this is the result of the mistaken belief
that the Old Testament has no further application after the advent of Christ.
This is an exegetical problem. Too often, it is the result of a sinful view of
the criminal. This sin is called pity. </P>
<P>Pity is a compassionate and sympathetic response to another's distress. It
manifests itself by some action deemed to be beneficent to the one who is the
object of the pity. It is characterized by the thought, "There, but for the
grace of God, go I." So what is wrong with that? Why is pity a sin? </P>
<P>First, pity is not <I>always</I> a sin. But neither is it always good. The
Bible teaches that the moral character of pity depends on the context in which
it is exercised. </P>
<P><I>He who has pity on the poor lends to the Lord, and He will pay back what
he has given</I> (Prov. 19:17). Pity toward the poor is good. David was
condemned by God when he did <I>not</I> take pity on Uriah, a poor man (2 Sam.
12:110). David sought pity when he was under the reproach of his enemies (Ps.
69:20). It would have been a comfort to him in his adversity. If God had not
taken pity on His people, we would all be lost in our sins (Is. 63:9). </P>
<P>There are also examples of God's refusal to have pity, as when Jerusalem
defiled His sanctuary (Ez. 5:11). Likewise, God included in the law specific
prohibitions against the exercise of pity in meting out punishment. </P>
<P></P>
<P><I>If your brother, the son of your mother, your son or your daughter, the
wife of your bosom, or your friend who is as your own soul, secretly entices
you, saying, "Let us go and serve other gods,". . . you shall not consent to him
or listen to him, nor shall your eye pity him, nor shall you spare him or
conceal him; but you shall surely kill him . . .</I> (Deut. 13:69). </P>
<P></P>
<P><I>But if anyone hates his neighbor, lies in wait for him, rises against him
and strikes him mortally, so that he dies, and he flees to one of these cities,
then the elders of his city shall send and bring him from there, and deliver him
over to the hand of the avenger of blood, that he may die. Your eye shall not
pity him, but you shall put away the guilt of innocent blood from Israel, that
it may go well with you</I> (Deut. 19:1113). </P>
<P></P>
<P><I>If a false witness rises against any man to testify against him of
wrongdoing, then both men in the controversy shall stand before the Lord, before
the priests and the judges who serve in those days. And the judges shall make
diligent inquiry, and indeed, if the witness is a false witness, who has
testified falsely against his brother, then you shall do to him as he thought to
have done to his brother, so you shall put away the evil person from among you.
Your eye shall not pity . . .</I> (Deut. 19.1619, 21). </P>
<P></P>
<P><I>If two men fight together, and the wife of one draws near to rescue her
husband from the hand of the one attacking him, and puts out the hand and seizes
him by the genitals, then you shall cut off her hand; your eye shall not pity
her</I> (Deut. 25:11, 12). </P>
<P></P>
<P>The tendency of modern American law is to look at whether the particular
<I>criminal</I> deserves the penalty involved. Witnesses are brought in (usually
the defendant's mother) to say that Johnny is really a good boy who just got in
with the wrong crowd and deserves another chance. Or the judge considers whether
the accused is sorry for what he did. Those who side with the victim can go to
the other extreme; the prosecutor is allowed to bring in witnesses to testify to
what a great guy the victim was, or to the impact of the crime on the victim's
family. Justice becomes a contest to see which side can generate the most pity.
</P>
<P>God commands the judge to evaluate the <I>crime</I> rather than the criminal.
If the crime is one for which God requires death, then death must be the
punishment. Your eye <I>shall not pity</I>. Neither is the repentance of the
accused relevant to the imposition of the sentence. When it was discovered that
Achan had kept some of the spoil of Jericho, Joshua beseeched him to repent.
<I>And Achan answered Joshua and said, `Indeed, I have sinned against the Lord
God of Israel, and this is what I have done . . .</I> (Josh. 7:19-20). After
Achan confessed, he was still stoned to death. </P>
<P>Thus, the Bible teaches that pity is not an option where God has decided the
matter. The magistrate, God's minister, is to faithfully execute justice
according to God's standard, not man's. </P>
<P>What the Bible does <I>not</I> teach is that the preaching of the gospel and
repentance have no place on death row. Indeed, it is hard to imagine a place
where there is a more immediate need of grace, and a presentation of the gospel
should be the first response of Christians to those who are condemned. But
condemnation still must come if we are to be obedient to God's Word. We must
respond to the wrongdoer biblically in both judgment and grace. </P>
<P>This means that we must return to an obedience which confines pity within the
bounds which God has established for us. </P></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----
<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=jampot@adelphia.net href="mailto:jampot@adelphia.net">g. crabtree</A>
</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=privatejf32@hotmail.com
href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com">J Ford</A> ; <A
title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 16, 2007 3:46 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Wilson's Excuses</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>"He'll kill a child that disobeys his parent,
<BR>he'll kill any gay just because they are gay"</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Get a grip on yourself. This is over the top, even
by the standards that you have previously set. The term slander gets tossed
about pretty freely on this forum (even when they really mean libel) but there
is no question that you are crossing a line with these kinds of ridicules and
baseless comments. Please just stop.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>g</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>----- Original Message ----- </FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>From: "J Ford" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>privatejf32@hotmail.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>To: <</FONT><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 1:46
PM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Subject: [Vision2020] Wilson's
Excuses</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><BR><FONT size=2></FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2>> During that same "talk" Wilson said he has "welcomed back into the
church <BR>> fold, those young men". What does this mean? The
children victims and <BR>> their families, of Sitler and Jamin get to look at
his ugly mug no matter <BR>> what function, or service, or gathering is going
on. Wilson REFUSED to <BR>> admit or confirm that Sitler or Jamin would
ever be banned from any of the <BR>> above, only that they would be
monitored. And remember that just because <BR>> Jamin had his charge
reduced (ostensibly because the victim had "consented" <BR>> to Jamin's
sexual attention) does not mean that what he did was any less <BR>> severe an
act of child molestation than what Sitler did to his victims. <BR>>
Court technicalities do NOT negate the seriousness of the crime, just the
<BR>> perception of the legal system that they are "winning" a case.
And as far <BR>> as "Let's Make A Deal Monty" Thompson is concerned, that's
better looking <BR>> than a check in the "maybe could win" column any
day. He did not want to <BR>> take the chance of the child being up on
the stand and explaining to the <BR>> jury that she wanted and invited
Jamin's attentions as he felt that would <BR>> hurt his case. The only
thing it hurts is Jamin and the child - WHO KNEW <BR>> THAT CHILD WAS NOT
CAPABLE OF MAKING THAT KIND OF RATIONAL DECISION, but he <BR>> went with his
sickly-man instincts and did it anyway - repeatedly over a <BR>> very long
period of time. There is NO distinction between Sitler hurting <BR>>
100(+) victims and Jamin hurting one or two victims...once done, it can not
<BR>> be undone and the damage is far reaching into that child's life and
future. <BR>> Yet, Wilson will allow both of these creeps back into the
church, back into <BR>> the fold, back into the activities (do not be fooled
by his saying "they <BR>> will monitored" - just how is Wilson going to do
that unless those creeps <BR>> are chained to someone else?) If I were
a parent of a child victim of <BR>> either of these molesters, and a member
of that church, I would be doing <BR>> some serious thinking about continuing
the membership at such a church as <BR>> well as the continued
"non-pastorship" of Doug Wilson. This is a man who <BR>> has receive
ZERO training in pastoring as well ZERO training or education in <BR>> the
treatment of child molesters.<BR>> <BR>> And let there be NO doubt about
it - Sitler and Jamin are CHILD <BR>> MOLESTERS!!!! And they will
repeat their crimes because they simply do not <BR>> wish to change.
They may calm down, may even go dormant for a while - but <BR>> they WILL
strike again. Anyone willing to sacrifice their child for the <BR>>
ego-growth of their non-pastor? Every time Sitler and Jamin are anywhere
<BR>> near a child, that is EXACTLY what you are doing.<BR>> <BR>> Oh
and lets not forget the lame-assed reasoning of Wilson that he has <BR>>
received their confessions and has forgiven them their crimes, because <BR>>
that's the business he is in. He'll kill a child that disobeys his parent,
<BR>> he'll kill any gay just because they are gay, he'll call people he does
not <BR>> even know his enemy just because they don't agree with him - but
Sitler and <BR>> Jamin, he'll forgive for ruining the lives of
innocents! Like he's in any <BR>> position to do either!<BR>>
<BR>> How about the children victims of those two? Both men are
supposed to be <BR>> paying restitution to those victims. Court papers
show both are BEHIND in <BR>> doing that. Of course, the CC will hire
Sitler when he gets out just as <BR>> they have done with Jamin. How
else are they going to make the money <BR>> necessary to pay this debt?
Well, and now Jamin has two moving violations <BR>> he has to pay for.
TWO, in less than two weeks out of jail, Jamin gets into <BR>> trouble -
Great start, Jamin. Can't even keep you nose clean long enough to <BR>>
travel safely on the very streets children live on!<BR>> <BR>> This is the
type of monitoring Wilson will be doing? Parents - KNOW WHERE <BR>>
YOUR KIDS ARE AND WHO THEY ARE TALKING TO!<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> J
:]<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>>>From: "Art Deco"
<</FONT><A href="mailto:deco@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>deco@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>><BR>>>To:
"Vision 2020" <</FONT><A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Gooooooooood Morning, Moscow,
Idaho<BR>>>Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 09:47:28
-0800<BR>>><BR>>>Tom quotes Cultmaster Douglas
Wilson:<BR>>><BR>>>"I'll just speak for our church, in Christ Church
[sic]. If I found out <BR>>>that a member of our church or a
church officer was lying to non-believers <BR>>>in the community, as a way
to get by or protect themself [sic] or protect <BR>>>his reputation, yes,
he'd be disciplined."<BR>>><BR>>>This is a very curious statement by
the Cultmaster. Even if it is <BR>>>believed, as improbable as it is
given clear and cogent evidence to the <BR>>>contrary, there are some
revealing omissions of several different <BR>>>categories of lying that
are covered by Wilson's statement.<BR>>><BR>>>Would someone be
disciplined if they lied to:<BR>>><BR>>>1. Protect
the Wilson & Family's Christless Cult & Cash Machine -- (You
<BR>>>must tolerate us since we do not tolerate anyone
else)?<BR>>>2. Protect Doug
Wilson?<BR>>>3. Protect any of the upper echelon of the
cult or their wives/children?<BR>>>4. Obstruct justice
by reporting all crimes, no matter how serious, and <BR>>>especially
crimes of child sexual abuse, through the cult ward system, and <BR>>>thus
to the Cultmaster, instead of and/or before reporting them to the
<BR>>>proper law enforcement agencies?<BR>>>5.
Does the claim of imposed discipline apply to the lies of the
<BR>>>Cultmaster himself? Who would discipline him? The
gutless elders, almost <BR>>>all of whom are economically dependent on
Cultmaster Wilson? Yeah, right.<BR>>>Etc,
etc.<BR>>><BR>>>None of these above acts of falsehood are included
in the list of <BR>>>impermissible lies upon closer examination of
Wilson's artful statement.<BR>>><BR>>>And what does "disciplined"
mean?<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>For the innocents: This statement
and the dog and pony shoe from which it <BR>>>was quoted is another
example of how a skilled confidence trickster <BR>>>operates. A
statement is made that seems very open-faced and sincere to <BR>>>those
with relaxed, undeveloped, or rusty crap-detectors. But after closer
<BR>>>examination, the statement is found to be not so open-faced, but
deceptive, <BR>>>and certainly not
believable.<BR>>><BR>>>Other example of this kind of confidence
trickster's dishonesty was <BR>>>Wilson's statement that sexual
predator/serial child sexual abuser and New <BR>>>Saint Andrews student
James Sitler was not a member of Christ Church. In <BR>>>some
technical way, despite being away from his home church in Colville,
<BR>>>Washington, for a long period, it was claimed he was a member
there. <BR>>>However, here's the truth: Sitler attended Christ
Church services the <BR>>>entire time he was here attending New Saint
Andrews, a Christ Church <BR>>>adjunct. Sitler was also boarded by a
Christ Church member family whom he <BR>>>rewarded for their graciousness
by sexually debauching their young children <BR>>>multiple
times.<BR>>><BR>>>Hence, the truth is that James Sitler committed
his heinous acts of <BR>>>depravity while under the auspices of Christ
Church and its affiliate, New <BR>>>Saint Andrews. Sitler continued
to engage in this egregious preying upon <BR>>>young victims even though
several New Saint Andrews students found his <BR>>>obsession with children
to be very troubling and perhaps pathological. The <BR>>>thoughtful
reader will also see a connection between point 4 above and the
<BR>>>Sitler case. The thoughtful reader may also wonder when
Cultmaster Wilson <BR>>>first learned about the probabilities concerning
Sitler's sexual <BR>>>proclivities -- before or after his matriculation at
New Saint Andrews.<BR>>><BR>>>Art Deco (Wayne A.
Fox)<BR>>>deco@moscow.com<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>-----
Original Message -----<BR>>>From: "Tom Hansen" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>thansen@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>><BR>>>To:
"Vision 2020" <</FONT><A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>>Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 6:02
AM<BR>>>Subject: [Vision2020] Gooooooooood Morning, Moscow,
Idaho<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> > "I'll just speak for our church,
in Christ Church. If I found out that <BR>>>a<BR>>> >
member of our church or a church officer was lying to non-believers in
<BR>>>the<BR>>> > community, as a way to get by or protect
themself or protect his <BR>>>reputation,<BR>>> > yes, he'd be
disciplined."<BR>>> ><BR>>> > - Doug Wilson (January 31,
2007)<BR>>> > </FONT><A
href="http://www.tomandrodna.com/Sounds/Doug_Wilson_Liers_013107.mp3"><FONT
face=Arial
size=2>http://www.tomandrodna.com/Sounds/Doug_Wilson_Liers_013107.mp3</FONT></A><BR><FONT
face=Arial size=2>>> ><BR>>> > Stay tuned, Moscow.<BR>>>
><BR>>> > Tom Hansen<BR>>> > Moscow, Idaho<BR>>>
><BR>>> > ******************************************<BR>>>
><BR>>> > "People walking up to you<BR>>> > Singing glory
hallelujah<BR>>> > And they're trying to sock it to you<BR>>>
> In the name of the Lord."<BR>>> ><BR>>> > - Joe South
(from "Games People Play")<BR>>> ><BR>>> >
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