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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>"He'll kill a child that disobeys his parent,
<BR>he'll kill any gay just because they are gay"</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Get a grip on yourself. This is over the top, even
by the standards that you have previously set. The term slander gets tossed
about pretty freely on this forum (even when they really mean libel) but there
is no question that you are crossing a line with these kinds of ridicules and
baseless comments. Please just stop.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>g</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>----- Original Message ----- </FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>From: "J Ford" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>privatejf32@hotmail.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>To: <</FONT><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 1:46
PM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Subject: [Vision2020] Wilson's
Excuses</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><BR><FONT size=2></FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2>> During that same "talk" Wilson said he has "welcomed back into the
church <BR>> fold, those young men". What does this mean? The
children victims and <BR>> their families, of Sitler and Jamin get to look at
his ugly mug no matter <BR>> what function, or service, or gathering is going
on. Wilson REFUSED to <BR>> admit or confirm that Sitler or Jamin would
ever be banned from any of the <BR>> above, only that they would be
monitored. And remember that just because <BR>> Jamin had his charge
reduced (ostensibly because the victim had "consented" <BR>> to Jamin's
sexual attention) does not mean that what he did was any less <BR>> severe an
act of child molestation than what Sitler did to his victims. <BR>>
Court technicalities do NOT negate the seriousness of the crime, just the
<BR>> perception of the legal system that they are "winning" a case.
And as far <BR>> as "Let's Make A Deal Monty" Thompson is concerned, that's
better looking <BR>> than a check in the "maybe could win" column any
day. He did not want to <BR>> take the chance of the child being up on
the stand and explaining to the <BR>> jury that she wanted and invited
Jamin's attentions as he felt that would <BR>> hurt his case. The only
thing it hurts is Jamin and the child - WHO KNEW <BR>> THAT CHILD WAS NOT
CAPABLE OF MAKING THAT KIND OF RATIONAL DECISION, but he <BR>> went with his
sickly-man instincts and did it anyway - repeatedly over a <BR>> very long
period of time. There is NO distinction between Sitler hurting <BR>>
100(+) victims and Jamin hurting one or two victims...once done, it can not
<BR>> be undone and the damage is far reaching into that child's life and
future. <BR>> Yet, Wilson will allow both of these creeps back into the
church, back into <BR>> the fold, back into the activities (do not be fooled
by his saying "they <BR>> will monitored" - just how is Wilson going to do
that unless those creeps <BR>> are chained to someone else?) If I were
a parent of a child victim of <BR>> either of these molesters, and a member
of that church, I would be doing <BR>> some serious thinking about continuing
the membership at such a church as <BR>> well as the continued
"non-pastorship" of Doug Wilson. This is a man who <BR>> has receive
ZERO training in pastoring as well ZERO training or education in <BR>> the
treatment of child molesters.<BR>> <BR>> And let there be NO doubt about
it - Sitler and Jamin are CHILD <BR>> MOLESTERS!!!! And they will
repeat their crimes because they simply do not <BR>> wish to change.
They may calm down, may even go dormant for a while - but <BR>> they WILL
strike again. Anyone willing to sacrifice their child for the <BR>>
ego-growth of their non-pastor? Every time Sitler and Jamin are anywhere
<BR>> near a child, that is EXACTLY what you are doing.<BR>> <BR>> Oh
and lets not forget the lame-assed reasoning of Wilson that he has <BR>>
received their confessions and has forgiven them their crimes, because <BR>>
that's the business he is in. He'll kill a child that disobeys his parent,
<BR>> he'll kill any gay just because they are gay, he'll call people he does
not <BR>> even know his enemy just because they don't agree with him - but
Sitler and <BR>> Jamin, he'll forgive for ruining the lives of
innocents! Like he's in any <BR>> position to do either!<BR>>
<BR>> How about the children victims of those two? Both men are
supposed to be <BR>> paying restitution to those victims. Court papers
show both are BEHIND in <BR>> doing that. Of course, the CC will hire
Sitler when he gets out just as <BR>> they have done with Jamin. How
else are they going to make the money <BR>> necessary to pay this debt?
Well, and now Jamin has two moving violations <BR>> he has to pay for.
TWO, in less than two weeks out of jail, Jamin gets into <BR>> trouble -
Great start, Jamin. Can't even keep you nose clean long enough to <BR>>
travel safely on the very streets children live on!<BR>> <BR>> This is the
type of monitoring Wilson will be doing? Parents - KNOW WHERE <BR>>
YOUR KIDS ARE AND WHO THEY ARE TALKING TO!<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> J
:]<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>>>From: "Art Deco"
<</FONT><A href="mailto:deco@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>deco@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>><BR>>>To:
"Vision 2020" <</FONT><A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Gooooooooood Morning, Moscow,
Idaho<BR>>>Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 09:47:28
-0800<BR>>><BR>>>Tom quotes Cultmaster Douglas
Wilson:<BR>>><BR>>>"I'll just speak for our church, in Christ Church
[sic]. If I found out <BR>>>that a member of our church or a
church officer was lying to non-believers <BR>>>in the community, as a way
to get by or protect themself [sic] or protect <BR>>>his reputation, yes,
he'd be disciplined."<BR>>><BR>>>This is a very curious statement by
the Cultmaster. Even if it is <BR>>>believed, as improbable as it is
given clear and cogent evidence to the <BR>>>contrary, there are some
revealing omissions of several different <BR>>>categories of lying that
are covered by Wilson's statement.<BR>>><BR>>>Would someone be
disciplined if they lied to:<BR>>><BR>>>1. Protect
the Wilson & Family's Christless Cult & Cash Machine -- (You
<BR>>>must tolerate us since we do not tolerate anyone
else)?<BR>>>2. Protect Doug
Wilson?<BR>>>3. Protect any of the upper echelon of the
cult or their wives/children?<BR>>>4. Obstruct justice
by reporting all crimes, no matter how serious, and <BR>>>especially
crimes of child sexual abuse, through the cult ward system, and <BR>>>thus
to the Cultmaster, instead of and/or before reporting them to the
<BR>>>proper law enforcement agencies?<BR>>>5.
Does the claim of imposed discipline apply to the lies of the
<BR>>>Cultmaster himself? Who would discipline him? The
gutless elders, almost <BR>>>all of whom are economically dependent on
Cultmaster Wilson? Yeah, right.<BR>>>Etc,
etc.<BR>>><BR>>>None of these above acts of falsehood are included
in the list of <BR>>>impermissible lies upon closer examination of
Wilson's artful statement.<BR>>><BR>>>And what does "disciplined"
mean?<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>For the innocents: This statement
and the dog and pony shoe from which it <BR>>>was quoted is another
example of how a skilled confidence trickster <BR>>>operates. A
statement is made that seems very open-faced and sincere to <BR>>>those
with relaxed, undeveloped, or rusty crap-detectors. But after closer
<BR>>>examination, the statement is found to be not so open-faced, but
deceptive, <BR>>>and certainly not
believable.<BR>>><BR>>>Other example of this kind of confidence
trickster's dishonesty was <BR>>>Wilson's statement that sexual
predator/serial child sexual abuser and New <BR>>>Saint Andrews student
James Sitler was not a member of Christ Church. In <BR>>>some
technical way, despite being away from his home church in Colville,
<BR>>>Washington, for a long period, it was claimed he was a member
there. <BR>>>However, here's the truth: Sitler attended Christ
Church services the <BR>>>entire time he was here attending New Saint
Andrews, a Christ Church <BR>>>adjunct. Sitler was also boarded by a
Christ Church member family whom he <BR>>>rewarded for their graciousness
by sexually debauching their young children <BR>>>multiple
times.<BR>>><BR>>>Hence, the truth is that James Sitler committed
his heinous acts of <BR>>>depravity while under the auspices of Christ
Church and its affiliate, New <BR>>>Saint Andrews. Sitler continued
to engage in this egregious preying upon <BR>>>young victims even though
several New Saint Andrews students found his <BR>>>obsession with children
to be very troubling and perhaps pathological. The <BR>>>thoughtful
reader will also see a connection between point 4 above and the
<BR>>>Sitler case. The thoughtful reader may also wonder when
Cultmaster Wilson <BR>>>first learned about the probabilities concerning
Sitler's sexual <BR>>>proclivities -- before or after his matriculation at
New Saint Andrews.<BR>>><BR>>>Art Deco (Wayne A.
Fox)<BR>>>deco@moscow.com<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>-----
Original Message -----<BR>>>From: "Tom Hansen" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>thansen@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>><BR>>>To:
"Vision 2020" <</FONT><A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>>Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 6:02
AM<BR>>>Subject: [Vision2020] Gooooooooood Morning, Moscow,
Idaho<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> > "I'll just speak for our church,
in Christ Church. If I found out that <BR>>>a<BR>>> >
member of our church or a church officer was lying to non-believers in
<BR>>>the<BR>>> > community, as a way to get by or protect
themself or protect his <BR>>>reputation,<BR>>> > yes, he'd be
disciplined."<BR>>> ><BR>>> > - Doug Wilson (January 31,
2007)<BR>>> > </FONT><A
href="http://www.tomandrodna.com/Sounds/Doug_Wilson_Liers_013107.mp3"><FONT
face=Arial
size=2>http://www.tomandrodna.com/Sounds/Doug_Wilson_Liers_013107.mp3</FONT></A><BR><FONT
face=Arial size=2>>> ><BR>>> > Stay tuned, Moscow.<BR>>>
><BR>>> > Tom Hansen<BR>>> > Moscow, Idaho<BR>>>
><BR>>> > ******************************************<BR>>>
><BR>>> > "People walking up to you<BR>>> > Singing glory
hallelujah<BR>>> > And they're trying to sock it to you<BR>>>
> In the name of the Lord."<BR>>> ><BR>>> > - Joe South
(from "Games People Play")<BR>>> ><BR>>> >
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