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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=015310501-07022007>I'd
love to pick this up and run with it, but I don't know what I'd be running
with. The only info I have on this project is V2020 and past experience
with developers. From the very little I do know:</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=015310501-07022007>"Streets" are maybe more correctly termed "drives" and
should not be developed to "street standards." Accomodation of emergency
vehicles, yes; paving over greenspace to allow enough width for non-used
onstreet parking, no. At slow speeds, wide is bad, narrow is
good.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=015310501-07022007><SPAN
class=015310501-07022007>Small lots are good, but bad. </SPAN>Infill needs
to be allowed to increase density beyond "normal zoning." Higher density
is what helps allow smart development. The main problem is: dense
poor-development is worse that light poor-development. Good development is
hard to find, yet.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=015310501-07022007>Why
should 8+ acres be divided into separate lots? Most developers continue to
have very narrow vision regarding property lines - plop a house in the middle of
a legally defined piece of land and totally disregard positive &
negative space... oh, for the want of easy boundaries and
walls.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=015310501-07022007>The
automobile is the bain of our industrial society, whether it's pollution, energy
consumption, land usurption, or pedestrian damage. Until we learn new
approaches to transportation, storage, use, or other vehicular
accomodations, we will always be its slave. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=015310501-07022007></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=015310501-07022007>Any
e-documents available that illustrate this development?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=015310501-07022007></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=015310501-07022007>Mark</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><A href="mailto:bau@moscow.com"></A><IMG height=89
alt="baukunst\architecture Union" hspace=0 src="cid:015310501@07022007-01e4"
width=108 border=0> <BR><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: agency fb">mark r. seman,
architect</SPAN></DIV>
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v=928.925.7617</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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f=928.776.9107</SPAN><BR></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com]<B>On
Behalf Of </B>Bev Bafus<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, February 06, 2007 7:48
AM<BR><B>To:</B> vision2020@moscow.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020]
North Polk Street (Was: Moscow City Council Monday
Agenda)<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=234194415-06022007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Thanks Steven -- I wondered if someone would pick up on this and run
with it...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=234194415-06022007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=234194415-06022007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>The
streets are a very real concern. And you are absolutely right about the
precedent being set.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=234194415-06022007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=234194415-06022007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>There are other issues. The lots are 5,000 square feet, and some
are much smaller. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=234194415-06022007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=234194415-06022007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>The
biggest problem I have is not with the developer, however, but with the
process this has followed with the planning department.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=234194415-06022007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=234194415-06022007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>The
application has come in piecemeal, and keeps changing. The engineering
deaprtment originally had 23 items that needed correction, and suddenly, they
have "all" be rectified - but I can't see anywhere where these items have
actually been addressed.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=234194415-06022007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=234194415-06022007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Parking in this development is going to be a
nightmare!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=234194415-06022007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=234194415-06022007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Anyone want to talk about this? Contact me off
list.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=234194415-06022007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=234194415-06022007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Thanks</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=234194415-06022007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Bev
Bafus</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=234194415-06022007></SPAN> </DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com]<B>On
Behalf Of </B>Steven Basoa<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, February 05, 2007 4:22
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Basoa Steven<BR><B>Cc:</B>
vision2020@moscow.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Moscow City
Council Monday Agenda<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 72px; TEXT-INDENT: 0px">When I first read
the City Council agenda I laughed when I saw item 6 (pasted below). Oh
my, I said, how sad. It looks like someone is planning a gated
community. How insecure these people must be to want a gated community
here in Moscow. Why? When I read Ms. Bafus' post (also below), I
laughed some more and said, I should have known. But my concern isn't
so much about a gated community but the proposed bending of the rules for
it. The lot sizes have been changed, that doesn't seem to be so
much of a problem but the last line of #6 bothers me. The "public
street standards have been waived due to the fact that the internal roadways
are to be private." This seems wrong on several levels. The city
of Moscow, Latah County and the state of Idaho all have their building and
planning codes and regulations for a reason. I may not agree with all
of them, but they are our standards. All roadways within the
city should be built to the current standards. This allows for greater
traffic control and movement of safety vehicles (ambulances, fire trucks,
etc). What if the current owners decide to pack it in and move
elsewhere? What if they decide to break up the gated community and
allow it to become a 'normal' part of the community? Then we would
have yet another section of town with narrow and inefficient streets.
Where else will the building codes and rules be altered to ease
someone else's burden? Sidewalks? Plumbing?
Electric? And when the next developer comes along and says,
"Well, you changed the rules for them, why not for me?" Where does it
stop? I urge the city council to not waive the public street
standards. I urge the city leaders (including, and maybe especially,
the city managers) to stop playing fast and loose with the city codes and
zoning issues. Consistency and fair, unbiased enforcement of the
building codes should be the order of the day. Instead it appears that
spot zoning and the waiving of building standards have become the norm.
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 72px; TEXT-INDENT: 0px">It has been hard to
write this post and not digress into a tirade about the lack of intelligent
planning on the part of Moscow's city leaders of the past two decades.
I think the city desperately needs some sort of master plan for growth and
development. Otherwise we will continue to grow in the sprawling and
disconnected manner of the recent past. And that ain't good for
anyone except maybe a few developers and contractors.</DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 72px; TEXT-INDENT: 0px">SB</DIV>
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class=Apple-style-span face="Times New Roman" size=4><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px">6.</SPAN></FONT><FONT
class=Apple-style-span face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT class=Apple-style-span face="Times New Roman"
size=4><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px">Public Hearing –
Greensides Hill Preliminary Plat – Andrew Ackerman</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV
style="MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 24px; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><FONT
class=Apple-style-span face="Times New Roman" size=4><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px">On January 10, 2007, the
Planning & Zoning Commission recommended approval of a Preliminary Plat
for division of approximately 8.2 acres of land into 37 single family lots
on the west side of N. Polk Extension called Greensides Hill. The land
currently consists of three parcels, each developed with a single family
residence and zoned medium density, single family residential (R-2).
The proposal Preliminary Plat has associated with it an approved Preliminary
Planned Unit Development. The R-2 Zoning District has a 7,000 square
foot minimum lot size for single-family residential lots. Via the PUD
process the lots have been permitted to be reduced from the minimum
standard. Additionally, public street standards have been waived due to the
fact that the internal roadways are to be private.</SPAN></FONT></DIV><BR>
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<DIV>On Feb 2, 2007, at 10:28 PM, Bev Bafus wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=906112306-03022007>For anyone concerned about the direction of growth
in the City of Moscow.....</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=906112306-03022007></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=906112306-03022007>And especially concerned about the way we allow
growth in infill areas (lots surrounded by city that are undeveloped or
underdeveloped).......</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=906112306-03022007></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=906112306-03022007>And concerned about the capricious and inconsistent
treatment of proposals by City of Moscow Planning &
Development........</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=906112306-03022007></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=906112306-03022007>Please attend this meeting on
Monday.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=906112306-03022007></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=906112306-03022007>Pay attention to the public hearing - item
#6.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=906112306-03022007></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=906112306-03022007>This is land on North Polk
Street.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=906112306-03022007></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=906112306-03022007>These parcels are owned by Mike & Linda
Hoffman, Doug & Nancy Wilson, and Matt & Laura
Gray.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=906112306-03022007></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=906112306-03022007>Thanks</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=906112306-03022007>Bev Bafus</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=906112306-03022007></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
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