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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Nick, your tactics are becoming more mean spirited
as your argument disintegrates. You accuse me of discriminating against
woman for suggesting that their children should be granted life, and for
suggesting establishment of a federal victim's rights fund to disburse
substantial financial assistance to females victimized by predatory males.
Unsatisfied to label me an abuser of woman for standing up in their defense when
they have been preyed upon, you then accuse me of bigotry toward people of
color. This after I have spoken out against the injustice that is slavery
in the same breath as equating it to abortion. Apparently finding yourself
on a vicious roll, you then suggest that folks with my views favorable to the
rights of minorities, are the same folks who condemned Martin Luther King.
A cursory reading of my past postings will reveal that I admire Doctor King
immensely, having quoted on several occasions from his more famous
speeches.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Nick, your above characterizations of me fall flat
in light of the written record as recorded on this site. However, given
your enthusiasm for the premeditated killing of innocent unborn children, I
would have to lend more plausibility to my past characterization of you as Josef
Mengele.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Your cliché's about a woman's body and her rights
are so unpersuasive. It is her BABIES body that is being ripped limb from
limb and thrown out with the trash! What of her offspring's rights, you
insensitive fool? Applying the death penalty to the likes of a Joseph
Duncan is barbaric, you blurt, even as you champion the death penalty as
applied to those who are innocent in EVERY CASE!</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Good God man, Ted Kaczynski was right about one
thing, you guys with advanced degrees aren't as smart as you think you
are.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As for the views of our founding fathers vis a vis
abortion, you will, when experiencing a more lucid period, recall that my last
posting suggested that perhaps our founder's were being more astute than their
contemporary frame of reference allowed by using language which unequivocally
declared a right to life as an unalienable human right. The unborn babies
growing in their mommy's tummies, are human beings as you grudgingly
acknowledge.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>And professor, as for my crime of "shamelessly
flirting" with my female critics on this list, you will, when honesty someday
prevails, recall that I have engaged repeatedly with woman on this list in a
gracious, polite and thoughtful manner. The sporadic exceptions being
when I was attacked with a stream of third grade taunts and hysteria by the
local Harpy contingent. In these instances, I responded playfully,
attempting to deflect the tone of the discussion using humor. You did not
find it amusing. That hardly makes me inappropriate as much as it makes
you a humorless boot-licker to the shrill community of feminazis.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Yours for an accurate recounting of this discussion
as opposed to the manipulative hack job of a supposed
scholar.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> Tony
Simpson</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It is however, never too late to have a change of
heart and join the twenty first century in support of LIFE.</FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=ngier@uidaho.edu href="mailto:ngier@uidaho.edu">Nick Gier</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 28, 2007 12:11
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Vision2020] Compassion for All
Life</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Greetings:<BR><BR>I always find it amusing (but sad) that
conservatives are now asking the rest of us to join in the "collective
censure of an evolving society" with regard to discrimination against women
and people of color. These same people were the ones who condemned
Martin Luther King as a lawless Commie and made fun of feminists (and still
do).<BR><BR>When I began my section on "Women and Ethics," I always asked my
students if they agreed with "the theory that women should have political,
economic, and social rights equal to those of men." Everyone in the
class raised his or her hand. I then told them that this was the
definition of feminism in <I>Webster's New World Dictionary</I>. I was
happy to have a class full of feminists, some of them reluctant and some of
them resentful that I'd tricked them, but there was not a Femo-Nazi or bra
burner in sight. <BR><BR>I would rather join the consensus of the world
community that death penalty is barbaric and that a woman has a right to
choose what she does with her own body. This right is even more secure
with the knowledge that the early fetus is not a person according the science
of fetal development and according to our religious, moral, and legal
traditions.<BR><BR>The reason why we don't read anything about fetal rights in
the writings of our founding thinkers is that it was not on their moral radar
screen. If they did not recognize the rights of women or slaves, and
refused to see their hypocrisy, then I'm sure that their concern for unborn
human beings was as absent as it was among even the most devout
Protestants. <BR><BR>Our founding thinker's support for the inalienable
right of all moral and legal persons is now being fulfilled, and there is a
growing consensus that those rights should also extend to gays, lesbians,
bisexuals, and the transgendered. Until we meet the first ETs, this is,
as far as I can see, the last frontier of a truly universal moral consensus on
protecting the rights of all persons.<BR><BR>Finally, this call for joining a
common moral consensus is especially ironic when one of these conservatives
chooses to flirt shamelessly with his women critics, insists on typing people
according to their headgear, and calls a person who supports a woman's right
to choose a Nazi.<BR><BR>Yours for the growing moral consensus,<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=cite cite="" type="cite">Nick Gier</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=cite cite="" type="cite">I thanks Jennifer McFarlane for
the following gem:</BLOCKQUOTE><X-SIGSEP>
<P></X-SIGSEP><FONT size=2>"Truth is the summit of being; justice is the
application of it to human affairs."<BR>--Ralph Waldo Emerson<BR></FONT>
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