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Greetings:<br><br>
The traditional view of moral and legal persons, coming from our combined
religious, moral, and legal histories, eventually won out with regard to
recognizing African Americans as full moral and legal persons. In
my article on abortion I've applied the same definition to the early
fetus and the logic of the definition does not fit. To force fit a
definition is simple intellectual dishonesty.<br><br>
Therefore, there is no moral equivalence between recognizing people of
color as persons and fetuses before 25 weeks.<br><br>
Just being a good conservative by preserving good traditions,<br><br>
Nick Gier<br><br>
At 07:25 AM 1/25/2007, you wrote:<br>
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<font face="Arial, Helvetica" size=2>Yes Nick, and under our laws in
1850, black folks could be held as slaves. The point is professor,
that it is high time the rights the rest of us enjoy are extended to
today's disenfranchised: the unborn. How disappointing to see you
on the wrong side of history this time. Would you have rationalized
the Dred Scott decision in its day?<br>
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<font face="Arial, Helvetica" size=2>Tragic.<br>
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<font face="Arial, Helvetica" size=2>-T<br>
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<dd>----- Original Message ----- <br>
<dd>From:</b> <a href="mailto:ngier@uidaho.edu">Nick Gier</a> <br>
<dd>To:</b> <a href="mailto:tonytime@clearwire.net">Tony</a> <br>
<dd>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 24, 2007 9:31 AM<br>
<dd>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] One More "Killer" Released
Because of DNA<br><br>
<dd>Greetings:<br><br>
<dd>Under our laws the crime of murder can happen only against moral and
legal persons. Our religious, moral, and legal tradition does not
recognize first and second trimester fetuses as persons. Once again
I provide the link for my essay on abortion:
<a href="http://www.class.uidaho.edu/ngier/abortion.htm" eudora="autourl">
www.class.uidaho.edu/ngier/abortion.htm</a>.<br><br>
<dd>Fetuses are of course biological human beings from conception on, but
so are thousands of other animal species. As a vegetarian I'm quite
willing to shift to a consistent pro-life position, but I believe that
most people are not willing to do this. The moral ball is in their
court, and it's their serve.<br>
<br>
<dd>Veggie Burgers Forever!<br><br>
<dd>Nick Gier<br><br>
<dd>At 09:22 AM 1/24/2007, you wrote:<br>
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<dd>Nick, I was heartened to see you change your mind with regard to
abortion. You are absolutely correct that the state should not be in the
business of premeditated murder, especially in the case of those who are
innocent in EVERY case. It is such a joy to see reason and compassion
prevail. Best, -T ----- Original Message ----- From:
<nickgier@adelphia.net> To: <vision2020@moscow.com> Sent:
Wednesday, January 24, 2007 8:57 AM Subject: [Vision2020] One More
"Killer" Released Because of DNA > Greetings: > >
Fortunately, most DNA exonerations are happening with prisoners who are
> still alive. The real injustice, however, is those, now over
100, who > were executed before the tests could be done. > > The
state should not be in the business of premeditated murder, especially
> if it cannot be sure of that its victims are guilty. > > Nick
Gier > > January 24, 2007, NY Times > With DNA From Exhumed
Body, Man Finally Wins Freedom > By FERNANDA SANTOS > > AUBURN,
N.Y., Jan. 23 — Roy Brown, who spent 15 yeears in prison on a > murder
conviction and uncovered evidence while there that linked another >
man to the crime, was released from prison on Tuesday after DNA tests on
> the other man’s exhumed body matched saliva on a nightshirt at the
crime > scene. > > After 15 years behind bars, Mr. Brown stepped
out of court into a light > snowfall and gently pushed his way through
a cluster of relatives who vied > for his attention. The reception was
fine, he said, but he is too sick > with liver disease to stand on his
feet for long. > > “Changes have got to be made, man,” Mr.
Brown said later at a lawyer’s > office across the street, answering
questions in a monotone as he rested > awkwardly in a black swivel
chair. “They say the wheels of justice move > slowly, but you know
what? The wheels of justice are flat.” > > Mr. Brown, 46, is the
eighth person in New York State exonerated through > DNA evidence in
the past 13 months, more than in any other state during > the same
period. > > The DNA tests that freed him confirmed the results of
his own jailhouse > investigation, in which he discovered documents
that incriminated Barry > Bench, a volunteer firefighter, in the
murder of Sabina Kulakowski, 49, a > social worker who had lived with
Mr. Bench’s brother until months before > her death. Earlier DNA
tests conducted by Mr. Brown’s lawyers linked Mr. > Bench’s
daughter, Katherine Eckstadt, to the genetic code lifted from the >
saliva on Ms. Kulakowski’s nightshirt. > >
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<dd>"Truth is the summit of being; justice is the application of it
to human affairs."<br>
<dd>--Ralph Waldo Emerson<br><br>
<dd>"Abstract truth has no value unless it incarnates in human
beings who represent it, by proving their readiness to die for
it."<br>
<dd> --Mohandas Gandhi<br><br>
<dd>"Modern physics has taught us that the nature of any system
cannot be discovered by dividing it into its component parts and studying
each part by itself. . . .We must keep our attention fixed on the whole
and on the interconnection between the parts. The same is true of our
intellectual life. It is impossible to make a clear cut between science,
religion, and art. The whole is never equal simply to the sum of its
various parts." --Ma<font size=1>x Planck<br><br>
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<dd>Nicholas F. Gier<br>
<dd>Professor Emeritus, Department of Philosophy, University of
Idaho<br>
<dd>1037 Colt Rd., Moscow, ID 83843<br>
<dd>
<a href="http://users.adelphia.net/~nickgier/home.htm" eudora="autourl">
http://users.adelphia.net/~nickgier/home.htm</a><br>
<dd>208-882-9212/FAX 885-8950<br>
<dd>President, Idaho Federation of Teachers, AFL-CIO<br>
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</dl><font size=2>"Truth is the summit of being; justice is the
application of it to human affairs."<br>
--Ralph Waldo Emerson<br><br>
"Abstract truth has no value unless it incarnates in human beings
who represent it, by proving their readiness to die for it."<br>
--Mohandas Gandhi<br><br>
"Modern physics has taught us that the nature of any system cannot
be discovered by dividing it into its component parts and studying each
part by itself. . . .We must keep our attention fixed on the whole and on
the interconnection between the parts. The same is true of our
intellectual life. It is impossible to make a clear cut between science,
religion, and art. The whole is never equal simply to the sum of its
various parts." --Ma</font><font size=1>x Planck<br><br>
</font>Nicholas F. Gier<br>
Professor Emeritus, Department of Philosophy, University of Idaho<br>
1037 Colt Rd., Moscow, ID 83843<br>
<a href="http://users.adelphia.net/~nickgier/home.htm" eudora="autourl">
http://users.adelphia.net/~nickgier/home.htm<br>
</a>208-882-9212/FAX 885-8950<br>
President, Idaho Federation of Teachers, AFL-CIO<br>
<a href="http://users.adelphia.net/~nickgier/ift.htm" eudora="autourl">
http://users.adelphia.net/~nickgier/ift.htm<br><br>
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