<DIV>Seems it we got all the money for things like regulation hockey rinks, big rec centers, and grandiose baseball fields, but not one dime for keeping open a health care center so are elderly are not deported for lack of cash on hand. Funny that. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Donovan <BR><BR><B><I>Chris Storhok <cstorhok@co.fairbanks.ak.us></I></B> wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">What is really needed is a green light from the County Commissioners to<BR>build a permanent ice rink facility. From the very beginning, the<BR>current structure was designed to be replaced with a fully enclosed NHL<BR>size ice rink; yet PIRA/Rotary has not been given permission to move<BR>forward by the BOCC. <BR><BR>If the county had wasted taxpayer's funds paving a parking lot (only<BR>because Moscow City Code forces them too) and then rip out the lot a<BR>year or two later; imagine the howls
from indignant tax payers; I know I<BR>would have yelled as well. Wasting precious tax dollars on a frivolous<BR>parking lot, one that will also alter the location of activities during<BR>the fair, is an unfair burden on the county. I believe the City of<BR>Moscow should allow for some flexibility when dealing with the county.<BR>The same taxpayers are after all paying for both governments, one would<BR>hope that the governments work together to maximize resources and reduce<BR>waste. I know City codes are rigid, maybe they should be amended in<BR>order to allow for special cases such as this. Paving that parking lot<BR>at this time in the name crossing the t's and dotting the i's of city<BR>code is a waste of money that should not be tolerated by citizens of<BR>either the city or the county. <BR><BR>Chris S.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: vision2020-bounces@moscow.com<BR>[mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com] On Behalf Of
lfalen<BR>Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 10:07 AM<BR>To: Art Deco; Vision 2020<BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] FW: Moscow Ice Rink<BR><BR>It is time for everyone to get active. For those that can make it, there<BR>is a public meeting on the Ice Rink at 2:30 this afternoon in room2B at<BR>the courthouse. It is after the commissioners executive session.<BR><BR>Roger<BR>-----Original message-----<BR>From: "Art Deco" deco@moscow.com<BR>Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 08:39:13 -0800<BR>To: "Vision 2020" vision2020@moscow.com<BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] FW: Moscow Ice Rink<BR><BR>> Mark writes:<BR>> <BR>> "I don't know if it's apathy, ignorance of unwillingness. The Rotary<BR>Pavilion (ice rink) and LHS have been known to need help for years.<BR>What are the citizens of Moscow & Latah County to do? Are they to be<BR>pro-active..."<BR>> <BR>> I agree. In my opinion the Ice Rink is a valuable asset for the city<BR>and county for many reasons.<BR>> <BR>> There are
three parties involved: the city, the county, and the ice<BR>rink folks. They all share part of the blame for the present situation.<BR>I hope this problem can be resolved.<BR>> <BR>> Most of us would like to see a more proactive on the part of those we<BR>hire and elect to do the public business on a great number of<BR>issues/problems. Both the city and the county are still faced with the<BR>zoning issue of designating more appropriate commercial and light<BR>industrial zoning space and a host of some other growth related issues.<BR>> <BR>> Perhaps, as Mark suggests, some of the fault lies with us ordinary<BR>citizens. We might start letting the elected officials know more<BR>vociferously what we want and how badly we want it. We should also let<BR>them know, especially in the City of Moscow, that we expect a day's work<BR>for a day's pay at a hardy pace of work from all hired hands.<BR>> <BR>> J Ford commented upon the problem of having a city manager
who does<BR>not live in the city (nor in the same state). I generally do not agree<BR>with laws that require all city/county etc employees to live within the<BR>entity that employs them. However, I do think that city<BR>management/administration would improve if the city manager and the<BR>department heads were required to live within the city. When they are<BR>forced by their residency to enjoy or suffer the results of their labors<BR>and hear about them from their friends and neighbors, they will likely<BR>have a greater appreciation for the issues/problems and are likely to be<BR>more sensitive to, empathetic of, and more anxious to effectively deal<BR>with problems that residents must live with 365/24/7.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)<BR>> deco@moscow.com<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: mark seman <BR>> To: vision2020@moscow.com <BR>> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 2:21 AM<BR>> Subject: Re:
[Vision2020] FW: Moscow Ice Rink<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> I don't know if it's apathy, ignorance of unwillingness. The Rotary<BR>Pavillion (ice rink) and LHS have been known to need help for years.<BR>What are the citizens of Moscow & Latah County to do? Are they to be<BR>pro-active to save and expand upon what they have, or do they just not<BR>know what's going on, or maybe they just don't want it. I know it's all<BR>three, actually there's a fourth - those that tried to help. A lot of<BR>effort has gone into these Places. I hope the scales tip positively and<BR>people don't give up. Maybe it's just not the right time, and<BR>discussions in the near future will help determine that. Maybe use<BR>funds from the John Dickinson Philanthropic Fund for Sustainablity.<BR>> <BR>> Mark<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> mark r. seman, architect<BR>> v=928.925.7617<BR>> f=928.776.9107<BR>> <BR>> -----Original Message-----<BR>> From:
vision2020-bounces@moscow.com<BR>[mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com]On Behalf Of Tom Ivie<BR>> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 9:58 PM<BR>> To: vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] FW: Moscow Ice Rink<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> I think that the city has been more than fair in regards to the ice<BR>rink SUP. They have given the county numerous opportunities to rectify<BR>the violation. The county, to my knowledge, hasn't ever offered to meet<BR>with city officials to discuss an amicable resolution. The city is the<BR>one that has come forward and taken the initiative. The city could have<BR>acted sooner on the violation,legally as soon as the violation occurred<BR>in Oct. This recent cease and desist order was pretty generous also.<BR>They gave the county until the 25th to work something out when they<BR>could have shut the rink down right then and there (they gave them a<BR>stay of execution). This gives the city time to work something out
with<BR>the county. I am confident that the Mayor and City Council are doing the<BR>right thing here and optimistic that an agreement will be made before<BR>the 25th deadline. I don't believe that the Mayor or anyone on City<BR>Council wants to shut down the rink. At least it didn't sound!<BR>like it<BR>as I watched the council meeting Tuesday night. I am sure it did not<BR>make Joel Plaskon's job rewarding to have to point out that the<BR>violation was there or Randy Fife's day to finally have to enforce the<BR>terms of the SUP. <BR>> <BR>> Jerry Weitz <GWEITZ@MOSCOW.COM>wrote: <BR>> As one of the folks involved in the founding of the ice rink, I am<BR>not surprised with this city's government. The same thing was done to<BR>the Alt. School and its defense cost a little over $12,000 in a<BR>Neighorhood Business Zone. The city's action against the Alt. School was<BR>is violation of state and federal law. I believe that you will find the<BR>1912 (without safe
sidewalks) is in violation of city code, but that<BR>does not seem to matter (I am a supporter of the 1912). Sometimes<BR>looking past a minor detail at certain junctures is the best for the<BR>common good. The county is not flush with money. I believe it is time<BR>for a significant change in city government. <BR>> Jerry <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> At 11:13 AM 1/18/07, Tom Ivie wrote:<BR>> <BR>> I am sure that the first inclination is to be upset with the<BR>city because they are the enforcer. Take a step back and analyze the<BR>situation though. The rink folks are caught in the middle for sure.<BR>The city has to enforce the violated SUP. The conditions of the SUP<BR>were agreed to by both the city and county. It is up to the county to<BR>comply with those conditions. The county knew that non-compliance means<BR>violating the SUP and what the consequences of that is. The county has<BR>known for some time now that the city would have to
do this and they<BR>should have been doing something, anything (setup a meeting, etc.) to<BR>try and rectify the situation. unfortunately, it is the ice rink (a<BR>third party) that will feel any reprocussions from the situation. I<BR>believe it is a bump in the road, though, and not the demise of the ice<BR>rink. It looks like the city is trying to move forward and work with<BR>the county to resolve the situation as soon as possible. This is<BR>evident by t!<BR>he city<BR>setting up a meeting with the county commissioners on the matter. I am<BR>sure there are a whole lot of "not happy" ice rink users right now and<BR>they have good reason to be upset. <BR>> <BR>> Chris Storhok <CSTORHOK@CO.FAIRBANKS.AK.US>wrote:<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Visionaries,<BR>> <BR>> My question to all of you is how in the heck does this happen:<BR>> <BR>> ><BR>> <BR>> ><BR>> <BR>> > BREAKING NEWS UPDATE: Moscow issues cease-and-desist
order<BR>for ice<BR>> <BR>> rink<BR>> <BR>> > County has until Jan. 25 to reach agreement on use permit<BR>> <BR>> ><BR>> <BR>> > Staff report<BR>> <BR>> ><BR>> <BR>> > Wednesday, January 17, 2007 - Page Updated at 05:41:27 PM<BR>> <BR>> ><BR>> <BR>> > The city of Moscow has issued a cease-and-desist order for<BR>the Moscow<BR>> <BR>> > Rotary Veteran's Memorial Pavilion ice rink at the Latah<BR>County<BR>> <BR>> > Fairgrounds.<BR>> <BR>> ><BR>> <BR>> > A letter signed by City Attorney Randy Fife outlining the<BR>order was<BR>> <BR>> > presented to county commissioners during their Wednesday<BR>meeting.<BR>> <BR>> ><BR>> <BR>> > The ice rink will be forced to close Jan. 25 at 5 p.m.<BR>unless county<BR>> <BR>> > commissioners can reach an agreement with the city.<BR>Commissioners have<BR>> <BR>> > scheduled a public meeting
for 2:30 p.m. Friday to discuss<BR>the<BR>> <BR>> situation.<BR>> <BR>> ><BR>> <BR>> > The city recently notified Latah County it was in violation<BR>of its<BR>> <BR>> special<BR>> <BR>> > use permit to operate the ice rink and the Latah County<BR>Fairgrounds<BR>> <BR>> because<BR>> <BR>> > it had not defined its parking area around the facility and<BR>failed to<BR>> <BR>> pave<BR>> <BR>> > the rink's parking lot by the specified date.<BR>> <BR>> ><BR>> <BR>> > The ice rink operates under a special use permit in the R3,<BR>or duplex<BR>> <BR>> zone.<BR>> <BR>> ><BR>> <BR>> > The county had until Sept. 30 to complete the paving project<BR>under<BR>> <BR>> > stipulations of the special use permit it signed in October<BR>2005.<BR>> <BR>> ><BR>> <BR>> > The county has sought permanent status for the fairgrounds<BR>for years.<BR>> <BR>>
Every<BR>> <BR>> > two to five years it must reapply for a special use permit<BR>to keep the<BR>> <BR>> > grounds open.<BR>> <BR>> ><BR>> <BR>> > The county has put down more gravel in the parking lot and<BR>plans to<BR>> <BR>> install<BR>> <BR>> > parking bumpers to show the city it is serious about meeting<BR>the<BR>> <BR>> special<BR>> <BR>> > use permit requirements.<BR>> <BR>> ><BR>> <BR>> > Moscow Mayor Nancy Chaney said Fife signed the<BR>cease-and-desist order<BR>> <BR>> > Wednesday afternoon.<BR>> <BR>> ><BR>> <BR>> > "I think it's in keeping with enforcing the city's laws. It<BR>did not<BR>> <BR>> slam<BR>> <BR>> > the door for possibilities of the ice rink," she said. "This<BR>is a<BR>> <BR>> wake-up<BR>> <BR>> > call and I hope for the best."<BR>> <BR>> ><BR>> <BR>> > Chaney said the previous warnings had
not resulted in<BR>compliance by<BR>> <BR>> the<BR>> <BR>> > county.<BR>> <BR>> ><BR>> <BR>> > "I am hopeful that a workable, mutually agreeable solution<BR>may be the<BR>> <BR>> end<BR>> <BR>> > result," she said.<BR>> <BR>> ><BR>> <BR>> > The City Council voted 3-2 Tuesday to try to organize a<BR>meeting with<BR>> <BR>> Latah<BR>> <BR>> > County and Palouse Ice Rink Association officials to work<BR>toward a<BR>> <BR>> > solution.<BR>> <BR>> ><BR>> <BR>> > Chaney said the meeting is still being planned, but a time<BR>has not<BR>> <BR>> been<BR>> <BR>> > set.<BR>> <BR>> ><BR>> <BR>> > County commissioners Jack Nelson and Tom Stroschein declined<BR>comment<BR>> <BR>> on<BR>> <BR>> the<BR>> <BR>> > matter Wednesday evening. Both said they hadn't had a chance<BR>to read<BR>> <BR>> > through the
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