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<div>Paul et. al.</div>
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<div>I wonder if the mayor of Bovill is a truly innocent victim of the digital shenanigans you discuss, given he has been charged with misuse of city computers relating to "pornographic" content:</div>
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<div><a href="http://www.localnews8.com/story.cfm?nav=news&storyID=122">http://www.localnews8.com/story.cfm?nav=news&storyID=122</a></div>
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<div>Thanks for the information... Even if I don't follow your suggestions, because I just don't want to bother with it all, and have not had the sorts of problems you discuss, I found the information valuable.</div>
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<div>I wonder if you can offer your opinion on Microsoft's new OS, Vista? It is supposed to have much better security. Anyone buying a new computer will soon have Vista as an pre-installed option.</div>
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<div>As I read about Vista in PC magazine, and Microsoft security software, I discovered Microsoft has made a push to invade the security software market to threaten the other dominant players with "Windows OneCare," which can protect against the threats you discussed. What do you think about this option?
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<div><a href="http://news.com.com/Microsoft+security+service+to+ship+in+June/2100-7350_3-6036290.html">http://news.com.com/Microsoft+security+service+to+ship+in+June/2100-7350_3-6036290.html</a></div>
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<div>As you mentioned, you did not comment on Microsoft's IE7 browser, but if it does function better in regards to security, why not have it on your list of options? Or do you really suspect it is not as good with security as Mozilla Firefox?
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<div>Well, as many computer savvy insiders, you obviously think Microsoft's software sucks!</div>
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<div>What does, "drink of the Redmond kool-aid?" mean?</div>
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<div>Ted Moffett<br><br> </div>
<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 1/15/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Paul Rumelhart</b> <<a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:</span>
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<div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">Well, all I can say to counter that is that almost every time I have to wipe someone's system where I work because they get popups left-and-right and it's so infested with spyware that it can hardly function, IE or Outlook have been involved. It doesn't happen to everyone, and it can of course be mitigated if you are careful what you run from untrusted sites and keep up-to-date on your patches, but I'm not making this stuff up.
<br><br>The people I've persuaded to move to Firefox and Thunderbird generally don't have problems again. People who don't take the advice will sometimes need another wipe of their harddrive and a reinstall.<br>
<br>So when I mention these things, I have actual instances of problems that they would have helped solve in mind that I have had to deal with over the years. Your mileage may vary.<br><br>Paul<br><br>Tom Hansen wrote:
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<p><font face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Paranoia, self-destroya.</span></font></p>
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<p><font face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I have been running Windows XP operating system, MS Outlook, and Outlook Express for a long time. I have yet to experience any security violations on either of my computers here at home. I also run Norton Anti-Virus (keeping my online subscription current for virus definitions) and Symantec firewall. Both machines are on DSL and are, therefore, updated constantly.
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<p><font face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I upload/download files virtually every day. The only "slow down" that I have experienced were due primarily running out of Corona beer.
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<p><font face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">My guess is that Microsoft R&D is aware and extremely familiar with any/all online threats.</span></font></p>
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<p><font face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">However, if you feel more secure by changing your web browser, reinstalling a different operating system, virtually reformatting your hard-drive, and coating your motorcycle helmet with tinfoil to prevent hackers from stealing your thoughts, go for it.
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<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a> [<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" target="_blank">
mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a>] <b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Art Deco<br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</span></b> Monday, January 15, 2007 8:21 PM<br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">
To:</span></b> Vision 2020<br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Vision2020] Stay out of jail - beware of spyware</span></font><font color="black"><span style="COLOR: windowtext"></span></font></p>
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<p><font face="Times New Roman" color="black" size="3"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Excellent advice from Paul.</span></font></p></div>
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<p><font face="Times New Roman" color="black" size="3"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Get a program that removes traces of internet browsing and erases all the data from all deleted files. Deleting a file only removes the entry from the disc directory. To be safe, the data in the file needs to be erased also. It is also important to periodically erase all data from a disc that is not in a file. I use Windows Washer, but there are other programs which do the same. Set the program to keep all discs on your system clean.
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