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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ms. Craine, thank you for the additional
information. After reviewing the sites you kindly provided, two major questions
remain (actually more than two but these are the biggies) </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>1. Where does the money come from to buy the
development rights? An already over burdened group of local property owners
would be my first (and only) guess. Forgive me if I, and many others in the
county, don't find that path terribly attractive. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>2. What happens when the farmer/landowner quite
reasonably doesn't want to become involved with a scheme that strips him of a
significant amount of control over his own property (hint: Thompson property SE
corner of Mtn. View & Troy Rd.) You Vill co-operate or else, eh bubbi?
</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It would seem that the only people in this area
that would be anxious to participate in a boondoggle of this magnitude would be
land owners with absolutely no desire to ever develop their property and those
who have no qualms about coercing others to pay for the things they desire
but are unwilling to pay for themselves. (and, of course, the bureaucrats who
will obtain a sinecure administrating said plan) Or were you thinking, perhaps,
of a group such as the MCA picking up the tab? If so, great! How about
I sell you the development rights to my back yard. It's covered in "valuable
agricultural soils" as evidenced by the award wining dandelions I produce there
each summer plus, I wasn't planning on putting a wal-mart back there
anyway.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>g</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>----- Original Message ----- </FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>From: "Craine Kit" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:kcraine@verizon.net"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>kcraine@verizon.net</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>To: "Vision 2020" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>>; "g.
crabtree" <</FONT><A href="mailto:jampot@adelphia.net"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>jampot@adelphia.net</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 2:38 PM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Subject: Fwd: [Vision2020] Moscow's Growth Policies
Don't Apply to Whitman(ordothey?)</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><BR><FONT size=2></FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2>> Oops. I noticed some of my links were bad. Here's they are
again.<BR>> <BR>> Kit<BR>> <BR>> On purchasing development
rights:<BR>> </FONT><A
href="http://ohioline.osu.edu/cd-fact/1263.html"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>http://ohioline.osu.edu/cd-fact/1263.html</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2>> </FONT><A
href="http://www.plannersweb.com/wfiles/w140.html"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>http://www.plannersweb.com/wfiles/w140.html</FONT></A><BR><FONT
face=Arial size=2>> <BR>> On transfering development
rights<BR>> </FONT><A
href="http://ohioline.osu.edu/cd-fact/1264.html"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>http://ohioline.osu.edu/cd-fact/1264.html</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2>> </FONT><A
href="http://government.cce.cornell.edu/doc/html/Transfer%20of%"><FONT
face=Arial
size=2>http://government.cce.cornell.edu/doc/html/Transfer%20of%</FONT></A><FONT
face=Arial size=2> <BR>> 20Development%
20Rights%20Programs.htm<BR>> </FONT><A
href="http://www.mass.gov/envir/smart_growth_toolkit/pages/mod-tdr.html"><FONT
face=Arial
size=2>http://www.mass.gov/envir/smart_growth_toolkit/pages/mod-tdr.html</FONT></A><BR><FONT
face=Arial size=2>> <BR>> On both<BR>> </FONT><A
href="http://www.wi-ei.org/AgLand/transfer.htm"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>http://www.wi-ei.org/AgLand/transfer.htm</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2>> </FONT><A
href="http://dnr.metrokc.gov/wlr/tdr/bank.htm"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>http://dnr.metrokc.gov/wlr/tdr/bank.htm</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2>> <BR>> Begin forwarded message:<BR>> <BR>>> From: Craine
Kit <</FONT><A href="mailto:kcraine@verizon.net"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>kcraine@verizon.net</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>><BR>>>
Date: January 15, 2007 1:46:46 PM PST<BR>>> To: Vision 2020 <</FONT><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>><BR>>>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Moscow's Growth Policies Don't Apply to
<BR>>> Whitman(ordothey?)<BR>>><BR>>>
Gary,<BR>>><BR>>> This is an idea that has been around for some
time. There are two<BR>>> approaches. One is for the government or other
entities to purchase<BR>>> the right to develop. The other is trading the
right to develop from<BR>>> one property in return for rights to develop
something else, ususally<BR>>> at a higher density than is normally
allowed. It in either case, the<BR>>> property owner still owns the
property and can rent or sell it. He or<BR>>> she just can't develop it.
This is an an alternative to pure zoning<BR>>> restrictions that has been
used in many places.<BR>>><BR>>> Here's a limited list of web sites
you can check for more<BR>>> information, including an explanation of how
the value of the right<BR>>> can be calculated. If you want more, try
Googling "buying development<BR>>> rights" (without the
quotes).<BR>>><BR>>> On purchasing development
rights:<BR>>><BR>>> ohioline.osu.edu/cd-fact/1263.html<BR>>>
</FONT><A href="http://www.plannersweb.com/wfiles/w140.html"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>www.plannersweb.com/wfiles/w140.html</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2>>><BR>>><BR>>> On transfering development
rights<BR>>> ohioline.osu.edu/cd-fact/1264.html<BR>>>
government.cce.cornell.edu/doc/html/Transfer%20of%20Development%<BR>>>
20Rights%20Programs.htm<BR>>> </FONT><A
href="http://www.mass.gov/envir/smart_growth_toolkit/pages/mod-tdr.html"><FONT
face=Arial
size=2>www.mass.gov/envir/smart_growth_toolkit/pages/mod-tdr.html</FONT></A><BR><FONT
face=Arial size=2>>><BR>>> On both<BR>>> </FONT><A
href="http://www.wi-ei.org/AgLand/transfer.htm"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>www.wi-ei.org/AgLand/transfer.htm</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2>>> dnr.metrokc.gov/wlr/tdr/bank.htm<BR>>><BR>>>
Kit<BR>>><BR>>> On Jan 15, 2007, at 10:53 AM, g. crabtree
wrote:<BR>>><BR>>>> What would be the incentive for the property
owner to allow his<BR>>>> land to be tied up in this manner? How is a
number/value arrived at<BR>>>> for the development rights? Can you
provide an example of where<BR>>>> this has been "successful elsewhere"
along with the details? I can<BR>>>> see how this would work for
farmers/land owners who really do not<BR>>>> want to let their land go
but for a owner who might be looking to<BR>>>> cash out, I do not see
what incentive he would have to participate.<BR>>>> Or is this a
program where saying no thank you is not an
option?<BR>>>><BR>>>> g<BR>>>> ----- Original Message
-----<BR>>>> From: "Craine Kit" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:kcraine@verizon.net"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>kcraine@verizon.net</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>>> To: "Vision 2020" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>>> Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 9:26
AM<BR>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Moscow's Growth Policies Don't
Apply to<BR>>>> Whitman(ordothey?)<BR>>>><BR>>>>>
Given that the Palouse has very valuable agricultural soils and
that<BR>>>>> once these are disturbed they lose productivity,
perhaps we should<BR>>>>> protect them by using an approach that has
be successful elsewhere:<BR>>>>> as a community, we buy the
development rights. In other words, we<BR>>>> pay<BR>>>>>
farmers to keep their land in production. If, at some point in
time,<BR>>>>> the community as a whole prefers development over
agriculture, we<BR>>>> can<BR>>>>> sell the rights and
perhaps make a profit on our investment.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>
Kit Craine<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> On Jan 13, 2007, at 1:42 PM,
g. crabtree wrote:<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>> Dave
says:<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>> "they (Latah/Whitman co.
farmers, presumably) are using their land<BR>>>>>> (as) a lever
to maximize profits as they know best, trying to<BR>>>>>> protect
their futures."<BR>>>>>>
and<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>> "The ag community needs to
break its monoculturalistic thinking and<BR>>>>>>
adopt<BR>>>>>> sustainability
principles."<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>> Who are we to tell
the owners of "the most valuable resource in the<BR>>>>>> area",
the palouse soil, how and what to think? As land owners I
am<BR>>>>>> certain that they have given the matter more than a
little bit of<BR>>>>>> thought. If what you say is truly what you
believe, would I be<BR>>>>>> correct in assuming that you are
acquiring farm land as it becomes<BR>>>>>> available and putting
your "sustainability principles" into<BR>>>>>> practice? If not,
why? If you are, could you please share with us<BR>>>>>> the
details of your experience and
profitability?<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>
g<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>> ----- Original Message
-----<BR>>>>>> From: "david sarff" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:davesway@hotmail.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>davesway@hotmail.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>>>>> To: <</FONT><A
href="mailto:mattd2107@hotmail.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>mattd2107@hotmail.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>>;
<</FONT><A href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>thansen@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>>;<BR>>>>>> <</FONT><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 11:36
AM<BR>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Moscow's Growth Policies
Don't Apply to<BR>>>>>>
Whitman(ordothey?)<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>> Matt
et.al<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>> I'm not so sure
that it's a Whitman County vs. City of Moscow<BR>>>>>> fight;
It's a<BR>>>>>>> constituency struggle. What we have are
some city folks who want<BR>>>>>> to live
in<BR>>>>>>> one kind of surroundings and they are surrounded
by a pack of<BR>>>>>> farmers who<BR>>>>>>> are
tired of being pressured and wrestling with economic<BR>>>>>>
realities. Looking<BR>>>>>>> out for themselves, they are
using their land a lever to maximize<BR>>>>>> profits
as<BR>>>>>>> they know best, trying to protect their
futures.<BR>>>>>>> What I would prefer is that city retain its
agricultural<BR>>>>>> foundations and<BR>>>>>>>
integrate them more fully back into the community. Put the
farmer<BR>>>>>> square in<BR>>>>>>> the middle
of the community. There are some small signs in town,<BR>>>>>>
that this<BR>>>>>>> is trying to
happen.<BR>>>>>>> The ag community needs to break its
monoculturalistic thinking<BR>>>>>> and
adopt<BR>>>>>>> sustainability
principles.<BR>>>>>>> The Palouse soil is the most valuable
natural resource in the<BR>>>>>> area, if
we<BR>>>>>>> don't work to utilize and enhance this medium, we
will all loose.<BR>>>>>>> Don't pave
Paradise.<BR>>>>>>>
Dave<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>
Tom,<BR>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>> What a
great post. I only hope more of these come out in the
near<BR>>>>>>
future.<BR>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>> And
cheers to Whitman for not allowing Moscow to bully them
with<BR>>>>>> silly<BR>>>>>>>> excuses and
agendas.<BR>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>
Matt<BR>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>
From: "Tom Hansen" <</FONT><A href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com"><FONT
face=Arial size=2>thansen@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>>>>>>>> To: "Vision 2020" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Vision2020] Moscow's
Growth Policies Don't Apply to<BR>>>>>> Whitman
(or<BR>>>>>>>>>
dothey?)<BR>>>>>>>>> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 06:47:52
-0800<BR>>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>>
>From today's (January 13, 2007) Moscow-Pullman Daily News
-<BR>>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>
------------------------------------------------------------<BR>>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>
OUR VIEW: Moscow's growth policies don't apply to
Whitman<BR>>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>
By Murf Raquet, for the editorial
board<BR>>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>
Saturday, January 13, 2007 - Page Updated at 10:20:50
PM<BR>>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>
Political boundaries on the Palouse are clear.Moscow
city<BR>>>>>> limits extend<BR>>>>>>>>
to<BR>>>>>>>>> the Washington state border as does the
eastern edge of Whitman<BR>>>>>>
County.<BR>>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>
Both entities have their own regulations to follow when
it<BR>>>>>> comes to<BR>>>>>>>>>
development. Often those rules are similar in that they
require<BR>>>>>>>>
development<BR>>>>>>>>> plans to undergo sufficient
public scrutiny to protect the<BR>>>>>>
environment.<BR>>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>
It's time for Moscow to recognize that Whitman County is<BR>>>>
perfectly<BR>>>>>>>>
capable<BR>>>>>>>>> of determining how and what acreage
is developed within it<BR>>>>>>
borders.<BR>>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>
Whitman County has all but cleared the way for the
Hawkins<BR>>>>>> Companies of<BR>>>>>>>>>
Boise to develop a 600,000-square-foot retail center along
the<BR>>>>>>>>> Pullman-Moscow corridor. The center
would abut the state line<BR>>>>>> and
Moscow.<BR>>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>
Moscow registered concerns about the effects the
development<BR>>>>>> would have<BR>>>>>>>>
on<BR>>>>>>>>> the aquifers, wetlands and
traffic.<BR>>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>
Those concerns and others were addressed through the
Washington<BR>>>>>> State<BR>>>>>>>>>
Environmental Policy Act, an environmental assessment
procedure<BR>>>>>> that is<BR>>>>>>>>
one<BR>>>>>>>>> of the more stringent in the
nation.<BR>>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>
Whitman County had no legal obligation to consider
Moscow's<BR>>>>>> concerns
but<BR>>>>>>>>> did<BR>>>>>>>>>
so because of Moscow's proximity to the
development.<BR>>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>
That was the right thing to
do.<BR>>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>
"Moscow is our very close neighbor," said Whitman County<BR>>>>>>
Prosecutor Denis<BR>>>>>>>>> Tracy. "We have taken
extensive steps to take their concerns<BR>>>>
into<BR>>>>>>>>> consideration. If they have any
concerns that are not part of<BR>>>>>> the
SEPA<BR>>>>>>>>> review the county hopes Moscow will
pick up the phone and we<BR>>>>>> can
talk<BR>>>>>>>> about<BR>>>>>>>>>
their
concerns."<BR>>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>
Dialogue is a fine way to resolve
problems.<BR>>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>
Now, Moscow must accept the SEPA conclusion and not drag the<BR>>>>
issue<BR>>>>>>>>
through<BR>>>>>>>>> the court
system.<BR>>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>
Moscow has every right to determine growth policy within
its<BR>>>>>> city
limits.<BR>>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>
We hope the city can restrain itself in the future if the
urge<BR>>>>>> to impose<BR>>>>>>>>>
its<BR>>>>>>>>> standards elsewhere pops up
again.<BR>>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>
------------------------------------------------------------<BR>>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>
My concern is not with what facilities are built on<BR>>>>>>
Washington's side of<BR>>>>>>>>>
the<BR>>>>>>>>> line, but what resources are used by
those resources. As<BR>>>> has
been<BR>>>>>>>>>
discussed<BR>>>>>>>>> here on Vision 2020, Moscow and
Pullman share a common<BR>>>>>> aquifer.
The<BR>>>>>>>>>
primary<BR>>>>>>>>> concern, in relation to the aquifer
and facilities built on<BR>>>>>> either
side<BR>>>>>>>> of<BR>>>>>>>>> the
state line, is the "right to use" of that
aquifer.<BR>>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>
As discussed by guests Rocky Barker, environmental reporter<BR>>>>
(Idaho<BR>>>>>>>>> Statesman), State Senator Charles
Coiner (R-Twin Falls), and<BR>>>> Prof.<BR>>>>>>>>
Barbara<BR>>>>>>>>> Cosens, University of Idaho Law
School, when "Mary in Moscow"<BR>>>>>> called
in<BR>>>>>>>> on<BR>>>>>>>>>
Thursday's Idaho Public Television's "Dialogue" program,
this<BR>>>>>> decision<BR>>>>>>>>
may<BR>>>>>>>>> not be made locally, but by the US
Supreme
Court.<BR>>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>
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face=Arial
size=2>http://www.tomandrodna.com/Stuff/Dialogue_011107_01.mp3</FONT></A><BR><FONT
face=Arial
size=2>>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>
Thoughts?<BR>>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>
Tom Hansen<BR>>>>>>>>> Moscow,
Idaho<BR>>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>
"The Pessimist complains about the wind, the Optimist
expects<BR>>>>>> it to<BR>>>>>>>>
change<BR>>>>>>>>> and the REALIST adjusts his
sails."<BR>>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>
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