<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD>
<META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
<META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.3020" name=GENERATOR>
<STYLE></STYLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>What would be the incentive for the property owner
to allow his land to be tied up in this manner? How is a number/value arrived at
for the development rights? Can you provide an example of where this has been
"successful elsewhere" along with the details? I can see how this would work for
farmers/land owners who really do not want to let their land go but for a owner
who might be looking to cash out, I do not see what incentive he would have to
participate. Or is this a program where saying no thank you is not an
option?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>g</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>----- Original Message ----- </FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>From: "Craine Kit" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:kcraine@verizon.net"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>kcraine@verizon.net</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>To: "Vision 2020" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 9:26 AM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Moscow's Growth Policies
Don't Apply to Whitman(ordothey?)</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><BR><FONT size=2></FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2>> Given that the Palouse has very valuable agricultural soils and
that <BR>> once these are disturbed they lose productivity, perhaps we
should <BR>> protect them by using an approach that has be successful
elsewhere: <BR>> as a community, we buy the development rights. In
other words, we pay <BR>> farmers to keep their land in production. If,
at some point in time, <BR>> the community as a whole prefers
development over agriculture, we can <BR>> sell the rights and perhaps
make a profit on our investment.<BR>> <BR>> Kit Craine<BR>> <BR>> On
Jan 13, 2007, at 1:42 PM, g. crabtree wrote:<BR>> <BR>>> Dave
says:<BR>>><BR>>> "they (Latah/Whitman co. farmers, presumably) are
using their land <BR>>> (as) a lever to maximize profits as they
know best, trying to <BR>>> protect their futures."<BR>>>
and<BR>>><BR>>> "The ag community needs to break its
monoculturalistic thinking and <BR>>> adopt<BR>>>
sustainability principles."<BR>>><BR>>> Who are we to tell the
owners of "the most valuable resource in the <BR>>> area", the
palouse soil, how and what to think? As land owners I am <BR>>>
certain that they have given the matter more than a little bit of
<BR>>> thought. If what you say is truly what you believe, would I
be <BR>>> correct in assuming that you are acquiring farm land as it
becomes <BR>>> available and putting your "sustainability
principles" into <BR>>> practice? If not, why? If you are, could you
please share with us <BR>>> the details of your experience and
profitability?<BR>>><BR>>> g<BR>>><BR>>> ----- Original
Message -----<BR>>> From: "david sarff" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:davesway@hotmail.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>davesway@hotmail.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>><BR>>>
To: <</FONT><A href="mailto:mattd2107@hotmail.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>mattd2107@hotmail.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>>;
<</FONT><A href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>thansen@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>>;
<BR>>> <</FONT><A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>><BR>>>
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 11:36 AM<BR>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020]
Moscow's Growth Policies Don't Apply to <BR>>>
Whitman(ordothey?)<BR>>><BR>>> > Matt et.al<BR>>>
><BR>>> > I'm not so sure that it's a Whitman County vs. City of
Moscow <BR>>> fight; It's a<BR>>> > constituency
struggle. What we have are some city folks who want <BR>>> to
live in<BR>>> > one kind of surroundings and they are surrounded by a
pack of <BR>>> farmers who<BR>>> > are tired of being
pressured and wrestling with economic <BR>>> realities.
Looking<BR>>> > out for themselves, they are using their land a lever
to maximize <BR>>> profits as<BR>>> > they know best,
trying to protect their futures.<BR>>> > What I would prefer is that
city retain its agricultural <BR>>> foundations and<BR>>> >
integrate them more fully back into the community. Put the farmer
<BR>>> square in<BR>>> > the middle of the community. There are
some small signs in town, <BR>>> that this<BR>>> > is
trying to happen.<BR>>> > The ag community needs to break its
monoculturalistic thinking <BR>>> and adopt<BR>>> >
sustainability principles.<BR>>> > The Palouse soil is the most
valuable natural resource in the <BR>>> area, if we<BR>>> >
don't work to utilize and enhance this medium, we will all loose.<BR>>>
> Don't pave Paradise.<BR>>> > Dave<BR>>> ><BR>>>
>>Tom,<BR>>> >><BR>>> >>What a great post. I only
hope more of these come out in the near <BR>>> future.<BR>>>
>><BR>>> >>And cheers to Whitman for not allowing Moscow to
bully them with <BR>>> silly<BR>>> >>excuses and
agendas.<BR>>> >><BR>>> >>Matt<BR>>>
>><BR>>> >><BR>>> >> >From: "Tom Hansen"
<</FONT><A href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>thansen@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>><BR>>>
>> >To: "Vision 2020" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>><BR>>>
>> >Subject: [Vision2020] Moscow's Growth Policies Don't Apply to
<BR>>> Whitman (or<BR>>> >> >dothey?)<BR>>> >>
>Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 06:47:52 -0800<BR>>> >> ><BR>>>
>> > >From today's (January 13, 2007) Moscow-Pullman Daily News
-<BR>>> >> ><BR>>> >>
>------------------------------------------------------------<BR>>>
>> ><BR>>> >> >OUR VIEW: Moscow's growth policies don't
apply to Whitman<BR>>> >> ><BR>>> >> >By Murf
Raquet, for the editorial board<BR>>> >> ><BR>>> >>
>Saturday, January 13, 2007 - Page Updated at 10:20:50 PM<BR>>>
>> ><BR>>> >> >Political boundaries on the Palouse are
clear.Moscow city <BR>>> limits extend<BR>>>
>>to<BR>>> >> >the Washington state border as does the
eastern edge of Whitman <BR>>> County.<BR>>> >>
><BR>>> >> >Both entities have their own regulations to follow
when it <BR>>> comes to<BR>>> >> >development. Often
those rules are similar in that they require<BR>>>
>>development<BR>>> >> >plans to undergo sufficient public
scrutiny to protect the <BR>>> environment.<BR>>> >>
><BR>>> >> >It's time for Moscow to recognize that Whitman
County is perfectly<BR>>> >>capable<BR>>> >> >of
determining how and what acreage is developed within it <BR>>>
borders.<BR>>> >> ><BR>>> >> >Whitman County has
all but cleared the way for the Hawkins <BR>>> Companies
of<BR>>> >> >Boise to develop a 600,000-square-foot retail center
along the<BR>>> >> >Pullman-Moscow corridor. The center would
abut the state line <BR>>> and Moscow.<BR>>> >>
><BR>>> >> >Moscow registered concerns about the effects the
development <BR>>> would have<BR>>> >>on<BR>>>
>> >the aquifers, wetlands and traffic.<BR>>> >>
><BR>>> >> >Those concerns and others were addressed through
the Washington <BR>>> State<BR>>> >> >Environmental
Policy Act, an environmental assessment procedure <BR>>> that
is<BR>>> >>one<BR>>> >> >of the more stringent in the
nation.<BR>>> >> ><BR>>> >> >Whitman County had no
legal obligation to consider Moscow's <BR>>> concerns
but<BR>>> >> >did<BR>>> >> >so because of Moscow's
proximity to the development.<BR>>> >> ><BR>>> >>
>That was the right thing to do.<BR>>> >> ><BR>>>
>> >"Moscow is our very close neighbor," said Whitman County
<BR>>> Prosecutor Denis<BR>>> >> >Tracy. "We have taken
extensive steps to take their concerns into<BR>>> >>
>consideration. If they have any concerns that are not part of
<BR>>> the SEPA<BR>>> >> >review the county hopes Moscow
will pick up the phone and we <BR>>> can talk<BR>>>
>>about<BR>>> >> >their concerns."<BR>>> >>
><BR>>> >> >Dialogue is a fine way to resolve
problems.<BR>>> >> ><BR>>> >> >Now, Moscow must
accept the SEPA conclusion and not drag the issue<BR>>>
>>through<BR>>> >> >the court system.<BR>>> >>
><BR>>> >> >Moscow has every right to determine growth policy
within its <BR>>> city limits.<BR>>> >> ><BR>>>
>> >We hope the city can restrain itself in the future if the
urge <BR>>> to impose<BR>>> >> >its<BR>>>
>> >standards elsewhere pops up again.<BR>>> >>
><BR>>> >>
>------------------------------------------------------------<BR>>>
>> ><BR>>> >> >My concern is not with what facilities
are built on <BR>>> Washington's side of<BR>>> >>
>the<BR>>> >> >line, but what resources are used by those
resources. As has been<BR>>> >> >discussed<BR>>>
>> >here on Vision 2020, Moscow and Pullman share a common
<BR>>> aquifer. The<BR>>> >> >primary<BR>>>
>> >concern, in relation to the aquifer and facilities built on
<BR>>> either side<BR>>> >>of<BR>>> >> >the
state line, is the "right to use" of that aquifer.<BR>>> >>
><BR>>> >> >As discussed by guests Rocky Barker, environmental
reporter (Idaho<BR>>> >> >Statesman), State Senator Charles
Coiner (R-Twin Falls), and Prof.<BR>>> >>Barbara<BR>>>
>> >Cosens, University of Idaho Law School, when "Mary in Moscow"
<BR>>> called in<BR>>> >>on<BR>>> >>
>Thursday's Idaho Public Television's "Dialogue" program, this
<BR>>> decision<BR>>> >>may<BR>>> >> >not be
made locally, but by the US Supreme Court.<BR>>> >> ><BR>>>
>> >http://www.tomandrodna.com/Stuff/Dialogue_011107_01.mp3<BR>>>
>> ><BR>>> >> >Thoughts?<BR>>> >>
><BR>>> >> >Tom Hansen<BR>>> >> >Moscow,
Idaho<BR>>> >> ><BR>>> >> >"The Pessimist
complains about the wind, the Optimist expects <BR>>> it
to<BR>>> >>change<BR>>> >> >and the REALIST adjusts
his sails."<BR>>> >> ><BR>>> >> >-
Unknown<BR>>> >> ><BR>>> >> ><BR>>> >>
>=======================================================<BR>>> >>
> List services made available by First Step Internet,<BR>>>
>> > serving the communities of the Palouse since
1994.<BR>>> >>
>
</FONT><A href="http://www.fsr.net"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>http://www.fsr.net</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>>>
>> >
</FONT><A href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2>>> >>
>=======================================================<BR>>>
>><BR>>>
>>_________________________________________________________________<BR>>>
>>The MSN Entertainment Guide to Golden Globes is here. Get
all <BR>>> the scoop.<BR>>>
>>http://tv.msn.com/tv/globes2007/?icid=nctagline2<BR>>>
>><BR>>>
>>=======================================================<BR>>>
>> List services made available by First Step Internet,<BR>>>
>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<BR>>>
>>
</FONT><A href="http://www.fsr.net"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>http://www.fsr.net</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>>>
>> </FONT><A
href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2>>>
>>=======================================================<BR>>>
><BR>>> >
_________________________________________________________________<BR>>>
> Get FREE Web site and company branded e-mail from Microsoft
<BR>>> Office Live<BR>>> > </FONT><A
href="http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/"><FONT
face=Arial
size=2>http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/</FONT></A><BR><FONT
face=Arial size=2>>> ><BR>>>
><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> >
=======================================================<BR>>> > List
services made available by First Step Internet,<BR>>> > serving the
communities of the Palouse since 1994.<BR>>>
>
</FONT><A href="http://www.fsr.net"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>http://www.fsr.net</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>>>
> </FONT><A
href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2>>> >
=======================================================<BR>>>
=======================================================<BR>>> List
services made available by First Step Internet,<BR>>> serving the
communities of the Palouse since
1994.<BR>>>
</FONT><A href="http://www.fsr.net"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>http://www.fsr.net</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2>>>
</FONT><A href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2>>> =======================================================<BR>>
<BR>>
=======================================================<BR>> List
services made available by First Step Internet, <BR>> serving the
communities of the Palouse since 1994.
<BR>>
</FONT><A href="http://www.fsr.net"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>http://www.fsr.net</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>
<BR>> </FONT><A
href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>>
=======================================================<BR>></FONT></BODY></HTML>