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<div>Donovan,</div>
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<div>To the best of my knowledge, Moscow's water is perfectly safe.
What you are experiencing is the high iron content associated with the
upper Wanapum aquifer mixed with the chlorination added by the city
water department. Pipes aren't corroding from the water, they are
scaling up as the iron deposits out (scales) inside the pipes, sinks,
etc. The problem is likely to get worse as a) Moscow water demand
grows placing a higher demand on the Wanapum and b) as the Wanapum
volume shrinks due to the same higher demand.</div>
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<div>As an aside, the iron in the water originates in the granitic
formations that form the eastern boundary of the groundwater basin
from Moscow Mountain to Paradise Ridge, not the basalt itself.</div>
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<div>The deep Grande Ronde aquifer does not show the same iron content
and I'm told tastes quite clean although I've never had a sample in
Moscow as both aquifers are mixed in the delivery system. The
"bad taste" often is noticeably worse in summer when
landscape watering increases demand which is mostly made up from the
Wanapum wells.</div>
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<div>The Army Corps of Engineers conducted a study of alternative
water sources for Moscow/Pullman back in the early 70's that examined
the feasibility and cost of piping water from the Palouse River above
Laird Park, Dworshak Res., and the Snake. I don't have a copy so can't
quote you #s, but they were all very expensive as all involve pumping
as well as piping costs.</div>
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<div>In the meantime, iron is fairly easy and relatively inexpensive
to filter on a household basis. I recently installed a "full
house" carbon canister filter at the Red Door. Cost was about $40
at a local plumbing supply and requires a filter change once a year.
While not practical on a city supply level, it will keep your
individual plumbing, both physical and personal, clean.</div>
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<div>m.</div>
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<div>At 9:51 PM -0800 12/15/06, Donovan Arnold wrote:</div>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>Mark,</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite> </blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>Thanks for responding. I don't recall you
discussing much about any realistic alternative sources of water. I
also don't recall any conversation regarding the safety/quality of the
current water supply. I do know that you have shown the most interest
regarding Palouse Aquifer water supply in the area, certainly at least
than anyone else on the V.</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite> </blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>I would like to see more discussion on
the quality/safety of the Palouse water supply and possible ways to
use it as a resource to obtain higher quality water for
consumption.</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite> </blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>I feel, based on no scientific evidence,
that drinking this water cannot be very good for us. If it eats
piping, stains porcelain, smells bad, and tastes bad, I feel my body
is telling me not to use it on an everyday basis, if at
all.</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite> </blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>Has there been an economic cost/benefit
study of how to get fresh water to the Palouse, and its long term
benefit to the community? I would think the savings on destroyed
pipes, plumbing, washers, dryers, sinks, toilets, bathtubs,
showers, and housewear items and clothing items would be worth
the expense in itself, not counting the health improvements and
savings on purchasing bottled water and filtering systems. Also, the
cost of water could be reduced with a less finite supply.</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite> </blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>Your thoughts would be appreciated
Mark at a time most convenient to you, as I understand you are
busy.</blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite>Thanks,</blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite>Donovan J Arnold<br>
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<i><b>Mark Solomon <msolomon@moscow.com></b></i> wrote:<br>
<blockquote>Donovan,</blockquote>
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<blockquote>No, I'm not ignoring it but I have answered those same
questions on V2020 several times in the last year or so. If you're
unable to find them in the archive, I'll be glad to do it again, but
I'm a tad busy until Monday.</blockquote>
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<blockquote>m.</blockquote>
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<blockquote>At 4:36 PM -0800 12/15/06, Donovan Arnold wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>Mark,<br>
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<blockquote>So I take it you are ignoring my question about Moscow
water?<br>
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<blockquote>Donovan J Arnold<br>
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<i><b>Mark Solomon <msolomon@moscow.com></b></i> wrote:<br>
<blockquote>Nick,<br>
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<blockquote>Cambodia has been changing rapidly, for the worse, in the
past few years. Sihanouk resigned as King in an attempt to force
political reform. He has been replaced as King by one of his sons who
spent most of his life in Paris and is a creature of the Prime
Minister. The PM, Hun Sen, is a former Khmer Rouge thug who "saw
the light" as the Vietnamese Armies were crossing the border and
switched allegiances. As partial payback for being given a country to
own, Hun Sen recently "negotiated" a new border with Vietnam
which of course gives a good chunk of the highlands where the
Montagnard tribe lives to Vietnam. Needless to say, given the
Montagnard/American history of the Vietnam War, the Montagnards are in
deep #$@%. The theoretical democracy is only that, a theory. Hun Sen
rules with absolute power, including its corollary, absolute
corruption. Opposition political leaders either are in exile or dead
at Hun Sen's hand. Until the foreign donor countries that prop up Hun
Sen pull the foreign aid plug, it will only get worse. China and
Vietnam are now the largest donor countries followed by the
EU.</blockquote>
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<blockquote>It's very sad. I spent several months there two years ago
working/teaching metal sculpture techniques to Khmer artists using
decommissioned weapons, mostly AK47s, for our raw material. A life
changing experience for them, and me.<br>
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<blockquote>The best in-country source of news I know of is Khmer
Intelligence:<font face="Lucida Grande" size="+1" color="#000000">
http://www.khmerintelligence.org/3Q2004.html</font><br>
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<blockquote>the website is only sporadically maintained but you can
subscribe to their yahoo news group for periodic messages of the low
down in Cambodia. Link to subscribe from their website.<br>
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<blockquote>Mark S.<br>
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<blockquote>At 10:17 AM -0800 12/15/06, <nickgier@adelphia.net>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>Greetings:<br>
<br>
Some more really wild claims from down the hill, this time about
Vietnam. Where is the evidence for mass slaughter in Vietnam
after we left? Yes, many were sent to reeducation camps, and
many of those fleeing lost their lives to pirates in the South China
Sea.<br>
<br>
More people are being killed, maimed, and born malformed by leftover
munitions and Agent Orange than ever lost their lives at the hands of
the Communist regime. I would also hazard to guess that we
killed more Vietnamese (at least one million) than the Viet Cong ever
would have killed if we had not intervened.<br>
<br>
Before we invaded Cambodia, the country was stable and ruled by Prince
Sihanouk, who, along with his wife, are now King and Queen of
Cambodia. (When I was there in 2002, their pictures were
everywhere.) Our invasion, plus support for right-wing thugs,
alienated the people and forced them right into the hands of the Khmer
Rouge.<br>
<br>
The Killing Fields are just as much our responsibility as theirs.
The great irony of course is that Communist Vietnamese troops defeated
the Khmer Rouge, and the UN had one of greatest successes in making
elections possible there.<br>
<br>
The Johns Hopkins report on Iraqi causalities, which looked at every
single death certificate (90 percent of households surveyed produced
one), showed that a majority of deaths occurred by coalition air
strikes. This survey was done before the upsurge in sectarian
killings, mainly in Baghdad. Taking the low end of their
estimates at 400,000 dead, it would take Shias and Sunnis a very long
time to top Bush's slaughter.<br>
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Yours for accurate history,<br>
<br>
Nick Gier<br>
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