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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I think you need to hit the caps lock key, Dr.
Gier. I have offered every bit as much references as you. You simply
disagree with my politics and so dismiss any person or book I cite. At the
same time you rely on sources a 3rd grader would recognize as suspect.
Fine, it's a free country, but don't demand that everyone grovel at your feet,
worship at your alter and swallow your every utterance as gospel. THAT is
what allows evil to flourish - folks without the confidence to stand up to
authority figures. Folks who assume that just because some
fellow appends a lot of pompous accolades after his signature, he is
automatically more astute. NOT SO. The fact that I don't view my
countrie's every action through a prism of suspicion and loathing hardly makes
me an ignorant rube. My failure to cite enemy propaganda as gospel hardly
makes me uninformed.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As for our abandonment of the South Vietnamese, you
have NO reliable numbers either as to the numbers of unexploded
munitions related casualties OR the number killed after our
withdrawal, so we are left only to rely once again on your best
"guess."</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'm sorry professor but that simply won't do.
It would not pass muster in a court of law and when accusing your country of
horrendous deeds, a certain fair standard of evidence should apply.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Yours for a short winter,
-T</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=ngier@uidaho.edu href="mailto:ngier@uidaho.edu">Nick Gier</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=nickgier@adelphia.net
href="mailto:nickgier@adelphia.net">nickgier@adelphia.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, December 17, 2006 10:00
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Unexploded
Munitions in Vietnam</DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE class=cite cite="" type="cite"><FONT
size=5>Greetings:</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Let me get this straight: someone on this
list, who has yet to offer any documentary evidence in support of any of his
views, always insists that others do what he has never done. And when
the person produces the evidence, it is deemed slanted or insufficient.
And then one who has no teaching credentials has the audacity to "grade" the
success of the documentation!<BR><BR>Since the Vietnamese sapper, who has
cleared unexploded munitions for 11 years, and his international supporters
are somehow "Commie" liars, let me take a more deductive approach.
<BR><BR>It is well known fact that modern battlegrounds and areas that have
been bombed are littered with unexploded ordinance. Even today exploded
German bombs are found in England and over the years they have killed many
people. U.S. supplied cluster bombs dropped by Israeli jets are now
killing dozens of civilians in Lebanon.<BR><BR></FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman, Times" size=5>In terms of weight dropped, the U.S.
bombing of Vietnam was three times that in both the European and Pacific
theaters of World War II. “T</FONT>he United States Air Force dropped in
Indochina, from 1964 to August 15, 1973, a total of 6,162,000 tons of bombs
and other ordnance.U.S. Navy<FONT face="Times New Roman, Times" size=5>
</FONT>and Marine Corps aircraft expended another 1,500,000 tons in
Southeast<FONT face="Times New Roman, Times" size=5> </FONT>Asia" (<FONT
face="Times New Roman, Times" size=5>Clodfelter, Michael. (1995). <I>Vietnam
in Military Statistics: A History of the Indochina Wars, 1772-1991</I>.
Jefferson, NC: McFarland).<BR><BR>We don't have to take the sapper's word for
it: we only have to embrace the logic of this evidence. There are tons
of unexploded ordinance in Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos.<BR><BR>My argument
therefore stands: Vietnamese killed by U.S. forces during the war and
after because of unexploded munitions and Agent Orange far outnumbers the
total who died by Communist hands after the war. And we are still
waiting for the evidence of how many deaths that might be. I would guess
that far more died by the hands of pirates than by those ugly
Commies.<BR><BR>Yours for fair and accurate history,<BR><BR>Nick
Gier<BR></FONT>
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