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<DIV><FONT size=4>Michael quotes Princess Doug Jones, et al of the <STRONG><FONT
size=6><FONT face="Olde English">Wilson & Family's Christless Crackpot Cult
& <FONT color=#00bb88>Cash
Machine</FONT></FONT></FONT></STRONG>:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4> </DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2>"[I]imprecatory prayer is not only justifiable for the Christian, it is
*necessary,* and its neglect is not a good thing. The fact that Christians fail
to properly understand and use imprecatory prayer probably accounts for a
considerable amount of the *weakness* experienced by Christian churches
today."</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Michael also gives a chilling
example of imprecatory prayer in his post (<FONT
color=#0000ff>below</FONT>).</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">As a nonbeliever, perhaps my
noticing the blatant contradiction to words of and total sacrilege against
Christ by the power and money hungry leadership of this cult may not mean
anything to believers. However, one cannot help noting in this context
the revolutionary view of Christ which is central to Christian ethics and
its followers' bid for alleged salvation/eternal reward:</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"> </P>
<P><SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold"><FONT color=#0000ff size=2>Matthew 5:
38 through 48</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN><FONT color=#0000ff size=2>"You have heard that it was said, 'An eye
for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.'</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN><FONT color=#0000ff size=2>But I say to you, Do not resist an
evildoer.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN><FONT color=#0000ff size=2>But if anyone strikes you on the right
cheek, turn the other also; and if anyone wants to sue you and take your coat,
give your cloak as well; and if anyone forces you to go one mile, go also the
second mile.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN><FONT color=#0000ff size=2>Give to everyone who begs from you, and do
not refuse anyone who wants to borrow from you.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN><FONT color=#0000ff size=2>"You have heard that it was said, 'You shall
love your neighbor and hate your enemy.'</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN><FONT color=#0000ff size=2>But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray
for those who persecute you, so that you may be children of your Father in
heaven; for he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on
the righteous and on the unrighteous.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN><FONT color=#0000ff size=2>For if you love those who love you, what
reward do you have? <SPAN> </SPAN>Do not even the tax collectors do the
same?</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN><FONT color=#0000ff size=2>And if you greet only your brothers and
sisters, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the
same?</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN><FONT color=#0000ff size=2>Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly
Father is perfect".</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P> </P>
<P>If you read the above with any care at all, it is clear that Christ is urging
his followers not only to love all including their enemies and treat them with
kindness, but <FONT color=#ff0000><STRONG>not to separate themselves from
others</STRONG></FONT><FONT color=#000000> -- an act which makes them less godly
than even the Gentiles (remember, Jesus was preaching to his fellow
Jews). Also, note the last sentence of the quote.</FONT></P>
<P> </P>
<P>Imprecatory prayer is like torture. It is a tool used by frustrated,
power hungry, impotent men who are unable to acquire and to satisfy their great
need for ascendancy over others by truthful, civil persuasion, most likely
because what they claim is without any credible logical or epistemological
foundation.</P>
<P>In addition, imprecatory prayer is so contrary to the teachings of Christ
(whom these same men allegedly equate totally in some incomprehensible way to
their alleged God) that practitioners and proponents of this practice are likely
to be condemned to eternal punishment should the words of Christ as found in the
synoptic Gospels in some improbable way turn out to be true. These men are
not messengers of Christ, but to believers should be seen as dangerous agents of
the alleged Anti-Christ. </P>
<P>The words and actions of the leadership of the <STRONG><FONT size=6><FONT
face="Olde English">Wilson & Family's Christless Crackpot Cult & <FONT
color=#00bb88>Cash Machine </FONT></FONT></FONT></STRONG>are so contrary to the
teachings of Christ that one is compelled to believe that they are simply
greedy, devious con artists cleverly using Christ as their hook to
fleece the gullible/blinded by need or the witless/blinded by need and
to gain power and ascendancy over the lives of such.</P>
<P><BR>Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)<BR><A
href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">deco@moscow.com</A><BR></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">PS: Do wonder why a man of
the cult might use a female pseudonym/persona (Princess) to argue for the warped
views of the cult? After all, in their view women are not allowed to
preach. Hmmm. Is there perhaps contained in this female persona
disguise a covert or unconscious plea/invitation to a member of the same
sex for a private assignation?</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"> </P></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----
<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=michaelmetzler@email.com href="mailto:michaelmetzler@email.com">Michael
Metzler</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, December 15, 2006 8:44 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> [Vision2020] the Princess, Part 6 (Imprecatory, Prayer Part
2)</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">The anonymous Kirk apologist
Princess writes:</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p> </o:p></P>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">"Mr. Metzler puts words in my
mouth. He claims I wrote in defense of Doug Wilson; however, I made no mention
of Doug Wilson. As usual, Mr. Metzler assumes too much. He still believes in
the infallibility of old Pater Nostril. He not only puts words in my mouth
based on his assumptions concerning me. . . Metzler's approach here is simply
lacking in the charity that is required of a Christian"</P></BLOCKQUOTE>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">And the Princess goes on:</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p> </o:p></P>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">"And since Mr. Metzler brings
up <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Wilson</st1:place></st1:City>'s
recent prayer posted online, let me state the obvious and acknowledge that
there are ways of reading this prayer that would lead one to conclude it is an
evil prayer. However, such a reading is either uncharitable or not biblically
informed, or both, and reveals more about the person making the interpretation
than it does about <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Wilson</st1:place></st1:City>. There is also a charitable and
biblically informed way of reading this prayer which does not lead one to
condemn the person who made it.. . ."</P></BLOCKQUOTE>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">As usual, the Princess’ lips drip
with...something other than sincerity and truth.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Oh my! How dare you claim that I had
intentions of defend Doug Wilson!<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>How presumptuous!<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Why, this
is not even Christian! </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Perhaps she felt comfortable
finally answering me here since I hardly furthered an argument this time around,
but rather just directed you to the kind of prayer the Princess *would* be
committed to defending.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Ah! There I
go again! How unchristian of me to presume that the Princess would want to
defend this prayer!<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>That is just
putting intentions in her little royal heart! What audacity! How off base my
sniffing snoozer was!<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I just can’t
get anything right anymore.</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Now, let me direct your attention
to the fact that the Princess does not deny my preliminary claims, answer any
arguments (whether explicit or implicit), or explain to us how “obvious” it is
that there is a wonderful meaning hidden behind Wilson’s lengthy pleading with
God to harm, punish, mutilate, and remove from all grace particular people. The
Princess can’t claim that these particular people are unrelenting murderers and
rapists, since <st1:City w:st="on">Wilson</st1:City> is contextually committed
to praying these prayers to local critics in <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City
w:st="on">Moscow</st1:City>, <st1:State w:st="on">Idaho</st1:State></st1:place>.
<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The claim that my bracketed
comments suggest an uncharitable reading into <st1:City
w:st="on">Wilson</st1:City>’s meaning is unwarranted, to say the least; they
were largely argumentative questions directly made to the natural meaning of
<st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Wilson</st1:place></st1:City>’s words.
The princess writes:</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p> </o:p></P>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>“he puts words into Doug Wilson's mouth
based on his assumptions concerning <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Wilson</st1:place></st1:City>. (Note all the bracketed insertions
into the extended quote from <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Wilson</st1:place></st1:City>'s blog.)”</P></BLOCKQUOTE>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Also curious is the Princess’
worry about *who* the prayer was directed to, since it doesn’t matter to me at
all if there were particular people Wilson had in mind when writing this prayer
(although the larger context is suggestive). The point is that when someone
prays a prayer like this they *are* to have specific people in mind; further,
this prayer was explicitly given as a defense for the use of imprecatory prayer
of the kind prayed by the Kirk. And when Wilson and the Kirk prays imprecatory
prayers *they do* have specific individuals in mind. And as I stated in my
original post, and what the Princess has not denied, <st1:City
w:st="on">Wilson</st1:City>’s practice of imprecatory prayer has been largely
directed to local neighbors in the <st1:City w:st="on">Moscow</st1:City>
community, local neighbors who happened to have great public concern about
<st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Wilson</st1:place></st1:City> doing
things like praying imprecatory prayers. <SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The point is obvious and yet the Princess
expends all her/his/their energy trying to simply cover the point up through
great concern over my uncharitable suggestion that the Princess was actually
interested in defending Doug Wilson’s imprecatory prayers!</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">The Princess leaves us with some
disturbing words for the contemporary American Christian: </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p> </o:p></P>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">“[I]mprecatory prayer is not
only justifiable for the Christian, it is *necessary,* and its neglect is not
a good thing. The fact that Christians fail to properly understand and use
imprecatory prayer probably accounts for a considerable amount of the
*weakness* experienced by Christian churches today."</P></BLOCKQUOTE>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">I dare hope for the Kirk to gain
any more *strength*! </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Here again is the prayer for your
own consideration; here is the model prayer of imprecation, the kind of prayer
Wilson and other Kirkers have prayed against their critics here in our otherwise
fairly peaceful small town of <st1:City w:st="on">Mosocw</st1:City>, <st1:State
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Idaho</st1:place></st1:State>. Here is the gospel
of peace to the surrounding. . . . “enemy”:</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT color=#0000ff>Father, we
pray that the angel of the Lord would chase them down. We pray</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT color=#0000ff>that You
would set for them a dark and slippery place, and that the angel</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT color=#0000ff>of the Lord
would persecute them there. They have hated us without any</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT color=#0000ff>just cause at
all, and they have devised all their plots without any good</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT color=#0000ff>reason. We
ask You therefore to rise up and defend us. Stand in the pass</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT color=#0000ff>behind us,
and lower Your spear against them. Turn them back from their</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT color=#0000ff>wicked
attacks. Rout them, we pray. Chase them like chaff in a stiff</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT color=#0000ff>wind. We pray
that You would string Your bow, sharpen Your sword, make</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT color=#0000ff>ready all the
instruments of death. Ordain Your arrows to fly against</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT color=#0000ff>those who
persecute the righteous. Make their mischief to roll back on</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT color=#0000ff>their own
impudent heads.</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p><FONT
color=#0000ff> </FONT></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT color=#0000ff>. . . Let
their table become poisonous to them, let it become a snare.</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT color=#0000ff>Let their
eyes be darkened, and judicial blindness fall upon them.</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p><FONT
color=#0000ff> </FONT></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT color=#0000ff>We pray that
their eyes would be blinded by You; strike them so that they</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT color=#0000ff>cannot see.
Father, we pray that You would make their loins shake</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT color=#0000ff>continuously,
that they would be seized with fear and amazement. Pour out</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT color=#0000ff>hot
indignation all over them; take hold of them tightly in Your wrathful</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT color=#0000ff>anger. May
their dwellings become empty and desolate—for whenever You</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT color=#0000ff>chastise
anyone else, they love to pile on as though You were not there.</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT color=#0000ff>They
persecute the one that You are disciplining, and by their talk they</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT color=#0000ff>dismay the
one who is suffering under Your hand. Add iniquity to their</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT color=#0000ff>iniquity;
make a great heap of their sins. Do not let them enter into</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT color=#0000ff>Your
righteousness. Blot them out of the book of the living. Do not</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT color=#0000ff>record their
names alongside the names of the righteous.</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p><FONT
color=#0000ff> </FONT></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT color=#0000ff>God of our
praise, do not hold Your peace. The mouths of the wicked and</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT color=#0000ff>the mouths of
the deceitful have joined in chorus together, and they are</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT color=#0000ff>speaking
against us with lying tongue. They are surrounding us</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT color=#0000ff>with words of
hatred, and they fight against us without good reason</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT color=#0000ff>. It is
because we love You that they are our adversaries</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT color=#0000ff>, but we
still give ourselves to prayer. Not only have we</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT color=#0000ff>incurred
their hostility by loving You, but we have also loved them, and</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT color=#0000ff>have been
treacherously betrayed by them. They returned evil for good,</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT color=#0000ff>and hatred
for love, ingratitude for kindness.</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p><FONT
color=#0000ff> </FONT></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT color=#0000ff>Let these
wicked men come under the rule and reign of wicked men. Let</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT color=#0000ff>Satan be
continually at their right hand, accusing them. When they come</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT color=#0000ff>into
judgment, when the trial comes, we pray that the verdict of guilty</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT color=#0000ff>would be
rendered. When they cry out to You, let their prayers be</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT color=#0000ff>reckoned as
sinful. When they pray to You, let the ceiling above them</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT color=#0000ff>remain
silent. Cut short their days. When they have abused offices within</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT color=#0000ff>Your Church,
let other faithful men rise up to take their place.</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p><FONT
color=#0000ff> </FONT></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT color=#0000ff>Let their
children be orphaned, cut off without a father. Let their wives</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT color=#0000ff>be widows,
and we pray that their children would be desolate, having to</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT color=#0000ff>beg their
bread in empty places. We pray that the extortioner would come</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT color=#0000ff>back at them,
catching them in their plots, and taking all that they</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT color=#0000ff>have. May
strangers and aliens pillage them and leave them with nothing.</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT color=#0000ff>We pray that
when this happens, and Your hand is evident, that no one</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT color=#0000ff>would show
mercy, and that no kindness would be extended to his</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT color=#0000ff>fatherless
children. Cut off his posterity; may his name and his line</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT color=#0000ff>come to
nothing. Recall how sinful his father was, and call up again the</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT color=#0000ff>sins of his
mother. May their sins come before Your throne continually so</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT color=#0000ff>that their
name may be blotted out, and remembered on the earth no more.</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p><FONT
color=#0000ff> </FONT></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT color=#0000ff>We ask for
this because he is merciless. He loved to kick the poor and</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT color=#0000ff>downtrodden,
and sought to kill the broken-hearted. He loved cursing, and</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT color=#0000ff>so give him
that cursing. He detested blessing, so let blessing remain</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT color=#0000ff>far away from
him. He would put on curses like a comfortable coat; let</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT color=#0000ff>those curses
of his seep into him deeply. Tie those curses around him</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT color=#0000ff>permanently.
Let this be the clothing of all our enemies.</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p><FONT
color=#0000ff> </FONT></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT color=#0000ff>Let them
curse, so long as You bless. When they get up in the morning,</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT color=#0000ff>and hear of
the blessings You have bestowed on us, let them be greatly</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT color=#0000ff>ashamed. Let
confusion cover over them completely, as though it were a</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT color=#0000ff>mantle. I
pray that You stand at our right hand, and that You would</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT color=#0000ff>always save
us from those who would condemn our souls.</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p><FONT
color=#0000ff> </FONT></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">We offer this pray to You in the
righteous and holy name of the Lord</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Jesus Christ, and amen.</P>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>Michael quote Princess Doug Jones, et al,</FONT></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">"[I]mprecatory prayer is not only
justifiable for the Christian, it is *necessary,* and its neglect is not a good
thing. The fact that Christians fail to properly understand and use imprecatory
prayer probably accounts for a considerable amount of the *weakness* experienced
by Christian churches today."</P>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----
<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=michaelmetzler@email.com href="mailto:michaelmetzler@email.com">Michael
Metzler</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, December 15, 2006 8:44 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> [Vision2020] the Princess, Part 6 (Imprecatory, Prayer Part
2)</DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">The anonymous Kirk apologist
Princess writes:</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p> </o:p></P>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">"Mr. Metzler puts words in my
mouth. He claims I wrote in defense of Doug Wilson; however, I made no mention
of Doug Wilson. As usual, Mr. Metzler assumes too much. He still believes in
the infallibility of old Pater Nostril. He not only puts words in my mouth
based on his assumptions concerning me. . . Metzler's approach here is simply
lacking in the charity that is required of a Christian"</P></BLOCKQUOTE>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">And the Princess goes on:</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p> </o:p></P>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">"And since Mr. Metzler brings
up <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Wilson</st1:place></st1:City>'s
recent prayer posted online, let me state the obvious and acknowledge that
there are ways of reading this prayer that would lead one to conclude it is an
evil prayer. However, such a reading is either uncharitable or not biblically
informed, or both, and reveals more about the person making the interpretation
than it does about <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Wilson</st1:place></st1:City>. There is also a charitable and
biblically informed way of reading this prayer which does not lead one to
condemn the person who made it.. . ."</P></BLOCKQUOTE>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">As usual, the Princess’ lips drip
with...something other than sincerity and truth.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Oh my! How dare you claim that I had
intentions of defend Doug Wilson!<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>How presumptuous!<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Why, this
is not even Christian! </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Perhaps she felt comfortable
finally answering me here since I hardly furthered an argument this time around,
but rather just directed you to the kind of prayer the Princess *would* be
committed to defending.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Ah! There I
go again! How unchristian of me to presume that the Princess would want to
defend this prayer!<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>That is just
putting intentions in her little royal heart! What audacity! How off base my
sniffing snoozer was!<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I just can’t
get anything right anymore.</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Now, let me direct your attention
to the fact that the Princess does not deny my preliminary claims, answer any
arguments (whether explicit or implicit), or explain to us how “obvious” it is
that there is a wonderful meaning hidden behind Wilson’s lengthy pleading with
God to harm, punish, mutilate, and remove from all grace particular people. The
Princess can’t claim that these particular people are unrelenting murderers and
rapists, since <st1:City w:st="on">Wilson</st1:City> is contextually committed
to praying these prayers to local critics in <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City
w:st="on">Moscow</st1:City>, <st1:State w:st="on">Idaho</st1:State></st1:place>.
<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The claim that my bracketed
comments suggest an uncharitable reading into <st1:City
w:st="on">Wilson</st1:City>’s meaning is unwarranted, to say the least; they
were largely argumentative questions directly made to the natural meaning of
<st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Wilson</st1:place></st1:City>’s words.
The princess writes:</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p> </o:p></P>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>“he puts words into Doug Wilson's mouth
based on his assumptions concerning <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Wilson</st1:place></st1:City>. (Note all the bracketed insertions
into the extended quote from <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Wilson</st1:place></st1:City>'s blog.)”</P></BLOCKQUOTE>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Also curious is the Princess’
worry about *who* the prayer was directed to, since it doesn’t matter to me at
all if there were particular people Wilson had in mind when writing this prayer
(although the larger context is suggestive). The point is that when someone
prays a prayer like this they *are* to have specific people in mind; further,
this prayer was explicitly given as a defense for the use of imprecatory prayer
of the kind prayed by the Kirk. And when Wilson and the Kirk prays imprecatory
prayers *they do* have specific individuals in mind. And as I stated in my
original post, and what the Princess has not denied, <st1:City
w:st="on">Wilson</st1:City>’s practice of imprecatory prayer has been largely
directed to local neighbors in the <st1:City w:st="on">Moscow</st1:City>
community, local neighbors who happened to have great public concern about
<st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Wilson</st1:place></st1:City> doing
things like praying imprecatory prayers. <SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The point is obvious and yet the Princess
expends all her/his/their energy trying to simply cover the point up through
great concern over my uncharitable suggestion that the Princess was actually
interested in defending Doug Wilson’s imprecatory prayers!</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">The Princess leaves us with some
disturbing words for the contemporary American Christian: </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p> </o:p></P>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">“[I]mprecatory prayer is not
only justifiable for the Christian, it is *necessary,* and its neglect is not
a good thing. The fact that Christians fail to properly understand and use
imprecatory prayer probably accounts for a considerable amount of the
*weakness* experienced by Christian churches today."</P></BLOCKQUOTE>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">I dare hope for the Kirk to gain
any more *strength*! </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Here again is the prayer for your
own consideration; here is the model prayer of imprecation, the kind of prayer
Wilson and other Kirkers have prayed against their critics here in our otherwise
fairly peaceful small town of <st1:City w:st="on">Mosocw</st1:City>, <st1:State
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Idaho</st1:place></st1:State>. Here is the gospel
of peace to the surrounding. . . . “enemy”:</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Father, we pray that the angel of
the Lord would chase them down. We pray</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">that You would set for them a
dark and slippery place, and that the angel</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">of the Lord would persecute them
there. They have hated us without any</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">just cause at all, and they have
devised all their plots without any good</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">reason. We ask You therefore to
rise up and defend us. Stand in the pass</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">behind us, and lower Your spear
against them. Turn them back from their</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">wicked attacks. Rout them, we
pray. Chase them like chaff in a stiff</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">wind. We pray that You would
string Your bow, sharpen Your sword, make</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">ready all the instruments of
death. Ordain Your arrows to fly against</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">those who persecute the
righteous. Make their mischief to roll back on</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">their own impudent heads.</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">. . . Let their table become
poisonous to them, let it become a snare.</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Let their eyes be darkened, and
judicial blindness fall upon them.</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">We pray that their eyes would be
blinded by You; strike them so that they</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">cannot see. Father, we pray that
You would make their loins shake</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">continuously, that they would be
seized with fear and amazement. Pour out</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">hot indignation all over them;
take hold of them tightly in Your wrathful</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">anger. May their dwellings become
empty and desolate—for whenever You</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">chastise anyone else, they love
to pile on as though You were not there.</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">They persecute the one that You
are disciplining, and by their talk they</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">dismay the one who is suffering
under Your hand. Add iniquity to their</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">iniquity; make a great heap of
their sins. Do not let them enter into</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Your righteousness. Blot them out
of the book of the living. Do not</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">record their names alongside the
names of the righteous.</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">God of our praise, do not hold
Your peace. The mouths of the wicked and</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">the mouths of the deceitful have
joined in chorus together, and they are</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">speaking against us with lying
tongue. They are surrounding us</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">with words of hatred, and they
fight against us without good reason</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">. It is because we love You that
they are our adversaries</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">, but we still give ourselves to
prayer. Not only have we</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">incurred their hostility by
loving You, but we have also loved them, and</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">have been treacherously betrayed
by them. They returned evil for good,</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">and hatred for love, ingratitude
for kindness.</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Let these wicked men come under
the rule and reign of wicked men. Let</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Satan be continually at their
right hand, accusing them. When they come</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">into judgment, when the trial
comes, we pray that the verdict of guilty</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">would be rendered. When they cry
out to You, let their prayers be</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">reckoned as sinful. When they
pray to You, let the ceiling above them</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">remain silent. Cut short their
days. When they have abused offices within</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Your Church, let other faithful
men rise up to take their place.</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Let their children be orphaned,
cut off without a father. Let their wives</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">be widows, and we pray that their
children would be desolate, having to</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">beg their bread in empty places.
We pray that the extortioner would come</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">back at them, catching them in
their plots, and taking all that they</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">have. May strangers and aliens
pillage them and leave them with nothing.</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">We pray that when this happens,
and Your hand is evident, that no one</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">would show mercy, and that no
kindness would be extended to his</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">fatherless children. Cut off his
posterity; may his name and his line</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">come to nothing. Recall how
sinful his father was, and call up again the</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">sins of his mother. May their
sins come before Your throne continually so</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">that their name may be blotted
out, and remembered on the earth no more.</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">We ask for this because he is
merciless. He loved to kick the poor and</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">downtrodden, and sought to kill
the broken-hearted. He loved cursing, and</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">so give him that cursing. He
detested blessing, so let blessing remain</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">far away from him. He would put
on curses like a comfortable coat; let</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">those curses of his seep into him
deeply. Tie those curses around him</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">permanently. Let this be the
clothing of all our enemies.</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Let them curse, so long as You
bless. When they get up in the morning,</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">and hear of the blessings You
have bestowed on us, let them be greatly</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">ashamed. Let confusion cover over
them completely, as though it were a</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">mantle. I pray that You stand at
our right hand, and that You would</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">always save us from those who
would condemn our souls.</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">We offer this pray to You in the
righteous and holy name of the Lord</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Jesus Christ, and amen.</P>
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