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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Focus Wayne. Bill Clinton ran against BOB
DOLE his last time out, not George Bush. How can one justify supporting a
sexual predator for president over a law abiding and model citizen?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>You blew it in supporting him. Woman
suffered. The nation was embarassed. Our reputation laughed at the
world over.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>For your own credibility man, admit
it!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>-T </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=deco@moscow.com href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">Art Deco</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Vision 2020</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, December 12, 2006 11:47
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Repentant
Sinner my ass!</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Better felony perjury about a blow job than lies that caused
and will cause for a long time disastrous consequences, human suffering, hate,
and unnecessary death.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>E.g. today:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>
<H3>60 dead, 220 hurt in Baghdad car bombing</H3>
<P>BAGHDAD (CNN) -- Many of the 60 killed and 220 wounded by a suicide truck
bomb blast in central Baghdad Tuesday morning were unemployed Iraqis lured
toward the explosion by an offer of work, according to official with the Iraqi
interior and health ministries. </P>
<P>A pick-up truck, loaded with about 200 kilograms (440 pounds) of
explosives, pulled into Tayaran Square at 7 a.m., a time when hundreds of
unemployed Iraqis were gathered with their picks and shovels seeking a day's
work, the Interior Ministry official said. </P>
<P>The driver signalled to the would-be workers that he had jobs for them --
causing a crush of people around the truck -- and he detonated his bomb, the
official said. (Posted 5:31 a.m.)</P></DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=tonytime@clearwire.net href="mailto:tonytime@clearwire.net">Tony</A>
</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=deco@moscow.com href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">Art
Deco</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, December 12, 2006 8:37 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Repentant Sinner my ass!</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Wayne, thank you for at least acknowledging that
Clinton's perjury was wrong. How does one justify supporting a felonious
liar as leader of the free world?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>-T</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=deco@moscow.com href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">Art Deco</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Vision 2020</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, December 11, 2006 8:09
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Repentant
Sinner my ass!</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Just for your enlightenment Tony, s</FONT><FONT
size=4>pend a few weeks in Canada. If you really believe the contents
of your last post, you will be utterly horrified by the number of couples
you will see between whom there is a great age disparity.
You will be even more horrified to observe that most of these
relationships seem to be outwardly happy, of great value to the relaters,
and (gasp) of little or no concern to most Canadians. Even to your
worse horror, the same can be said of mixed race, mixed
ethnicity, and/or same sex couples.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>There is little doubt that Lewinski, cleverly and with
some seductive skill, pursued Clinton. Whether Clinton's obliging her
was immoral or how immoral depends on your point of view; his perjury
afterward certainly was.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>It is hard for me to see anything resembling abuse in
position where one person is more powerful than the other if the one less
powerful, who is an experienced adult, is the one who desires and initiates
the sexual contact. Clinton took what was attractively and seductively
packaged offer. Given his position, obviously this did not
involve well thought-out decisions and consequent actions on his
part.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>If he had been the one to cleverly and aggressively, using
his aura of power, to do the seducing and Lewinski had been a naive innocent
with few choices in her life's circumstances, perhaps there could be case
made for abuse of circumstances. However, that was not the
case.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>I am not surprised, however, that our hypocritical,
pseudo-libertarian posters and bloggers claim abuse in the Clinton-Lewinski
affair. Whatever happened to the central tenet of libertarianism --
freedom of choice? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>To those with short memories, the age of sexual freedom
was in part initiated and certainly supported and lauded by libertarians --
many of whom rejected traditional marriage vows because of their
infringement on freedom of choice. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Let's face it, some informed adults are attracted to other
informed adults more powerful than themselves and visa versa. It would
certainly be a denial of freedom of choice to both parties to call immoral
or abusive the relationships that ensue, particularly if the relationships
are found to be of satisfaction to both parties. [It could be argued
that there is a disparity of power in many, if not most couple
relationships.] </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>I refer you again to my post discussing the difference in
consequences between Clinton's condemnable perjury and Bush's intentionally
lying us into a war with horrific consequences now and for years to
come. Even to those that do not give damn about to other
than the effects on Americans of the war in Iraq, there is hardly any
American who has not suffered adverse consequences of Bush's actions -- some
have suffered the ultimate adverse consequence.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4><BR>Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)<BR><A
href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">deco@moscow.com</A><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----
<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=tonytime@clearwire.net href="mailto:tonytime@clearwire.net">Tony</A>
</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=godshatter@yahoo.com
href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">Paul Rumelhart</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, December 10, 2006 8:30 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Repentant Sinner my ass!</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Paul, It is my belief that when a powerful
older person takes advantage of a young and powerless employee, resulting in
the permanent destruction of said youngster's reputation, that constitutes
abuse. You are of course free to reach a different
conclusion.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>My best,
-T</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=godshatter@yahoo.com href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">Paul
Rumelhart</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, December 10, 2006 3:25
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Repentant
Sinner my ass!</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Tony,<BR><BR>You keep trying to frame this as
"abuse". It's not abuse when you have consentual sex with somebody
regardless of what form it may take. I understand not liking the man
because he was being adulterous or sexually depraved because of this, but
let's not bring such emotionally-charged words as "abuse" into this
without some kind of evidence to back it up.<BR><BR>Paul<BR><BR>Tony
wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE cite=mid002501c71c98$1399ed10$2b88e942@simpson type="cite"><PRE wrap="">After that last post regarding Clinton's abuse of Monica Lewinski, It
occurred to me that those with little knowledge of the Clinton fiasco might
misunderstand my reference to his documented behaviors. I am concerned that
some youngsters, unaware of the specifics of Clinton's abuse, might think I
was using a slang term for the male reproductive organ when I reported that
Clinton apparently inserted his cigar into intern Lewinski's private spot.
In the interest of accuracy and out of respect for today's youth and their
right to an accurate account of history, let me be clear: Former President
Clinton was reported to have inserted a cigar, the kind he periodically
smoked, into the aforementioned intern. He was also reported to have
received oral sex while discussing sensitive national security issues with
congressman via phone.
Boys and girls, the left does not want you to learn what a depraved creep
Clinton was. They adore him because he pushed for their political issues
and causes so they deliberately ignored his abuse of woman. Said abuse also
included several accusations or RAPE. I support the right of today's youth
to be informed rather than manipulated, so the next time you hear about what
a great guy ole Clinton was, you can refer to this message for the truth.
Just hit print and thank me later.
Peace out, -T
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From: "Tony" <A class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E href="mailto:tonytime@clearwire.net"><tonytime@clearwire.net></A>
To: <A class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E href="mailto:nickgier@adelphia.net"><nickgier@adelphia.net></A>
Cc: <A class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><vision2020@moscow.com></A>
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Repentant Sinner my ass!
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">Just as there will always be those who insisted on abandoning the South
Vietnamese and Cambodians to communist tyranny, there will always be those
who deny the written historical record regarding our liberation of Iraq.
Clinton, a clinical, megalomaniacal psychopath, hasn't a sincere bone in
his
body and would only consider the views of a minister in a short skirt.
Bush
rallied the American patriots with his Patton-esque "bring them on." It
was
a great piece of leadership, reminiscent of Churchill. Bush is every bit
as
intelligent and astute as some socially isolated, outcast egghead on the
Palouse.
The difference between President Bush and clinton is that Bush would have
told Monica to pull her skirt back up and act like a lady. Clinton, the
juvinile left's beloved icon, humiliated her for LIFE when he inserted his
cigar in her vagina and after otherwise violating his trust, then DENIED
his
responsibility before her and the American People. Clinton was and will
always be a sick male of BAD CHARACTER, undeserving of respect even from
those willing to enable his abuse of woman in order to realize their own
selfish political goals.
"In America, anybody can be a college professor. It's one of the risks
you
take." -T
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To: "J Ford" <A class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com"><privatejf32@hotmail.com></A>
Cc: <A class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><vision2020@moscow.com></A>
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Repentant Sinner Swarmed in Hanoi
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<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">Greetings:
Just as there will always be those who say that the Johnson did not lie
and deceive (Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, one specific), there will always
be those who will always say that the Bush administration did not
misrepresent and deceive about Iraq, even when the facts are clear that
it
did.
Clinton admitted that he had made a mistake and sought forgiveness and
repentence with his minister. Bush only regrets that he said "bring them
on," but nothing else. He said that it was not a very sophisticated
thing
to say, but when has this simpleton ever said anything of substance?
This is the great moral difference between these two men, and that is why
Clinton is admired around the world. and in two years Bush will not dare
appear in a completely public forum in any capital in the world. Crawford
will be a nice refuge for him, and many will say "good riddance," an
immature and ill informed man who became president because of his name.
World opinion is a powerful force and it will take decades for us to
rebuild our reputation and credibility in the world.
Nick Gier
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