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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ms. Lund,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Your post is confusing. I hardly know where to
begin. The quotes I provided were intact and taken directly from the Wikipedia
article which I referenced and was excerpting. The point I was trying to make is
the same one you made when you said "Nor am I Doug Farris, who used the term
recently here on V2020 in a manner <EM>consistent with the valid non-slur
use</EM>." Just like hansen's heroes, Kerry and Irvins.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>So, no selective quoting, no invalid points. Bubble
intact, I guess. Had I provided the article in its entirety, my point
would not have been altered or diminished in the least. I am confused as to
just where the pet peevery comes into the picture, unless its simply having
the effrontery to disagree with one of your pals.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>g</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>----- Original Message ----- </FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>From: "Saundra Lund" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:sslund@adelphia.net"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>sslund@adelphia.net</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>To: "'g. crabtree'" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:jampot@adelphia.net"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>jampot@adelphia.net</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>>; "'Tom
Hansen'" <</FONT><A href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>thansen@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Cc: <</FONT><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 7:20
AM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] [Vision2020 liberals,
courts, and Tony (was Pledge)</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><BR><FONT size=2></FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2>> With respect to "tar baby," Gary Crabtree wrote:<BR>> "The warm
fuzzy appreciation for diversity expressed by...?"<BR>> <BR>> Ah, yes --
selective quoting is so useful, particularly if no one catches on<BR>>
;-)<BR>> <BR>> More *complete* info from the Wikipedia article Gary
quoted:<BR>> "The Tar-Baby was a doll made of tar and turpentine, used to
entrap Bre'r<BR>> Rabbit in the second of the Uncle Remus stories. The more
that Bre'r Rabbit<BR>> fought the Tar-Baby, trying to get free, the more
stuck he got.<BR>> <BR>> Thus, a "tar baby" is metaphorically any "sticky
situation"[1] that is only<BR>> aggravated by efforts to solve it.<BR>>
<BR>> Over the years, the term has also acquired a negative connotation as
a<BR>> derogatory term for African Americans."<BR>> </FONT><A
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tar_baby"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tar_baby</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2>> <BR>> So, unlike the racial epitaph used Tony Simpson, tar baby
has valid and<BR>> "acceptable non-slur use."<BR>> </FONT><A
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_slurs#T"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_slurs#T</FONT></A><BR><FONT
face=Arial size=2>> It's not a term I would use particularly because of the
potential for<BR>> confusion and exploitation, but I'm not John Kerry or
Molly Ivins . . . nor<BR>> am I Tony Snow or Mitt Romney. Nor am I Doug
Farris, who used the term<BR>> recently here on V2020 in a manner consistent
with the valid non-slur use.<BR>> <BR>> Sorry to burst your bubble,
Gary. Actually, I'm not -- selective quoting in<BR>> an attempt to make
an invalid point is one of my pet peeves.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Back to
Shoveling Snow,<BR>> Saundra Lund<BR>> Moscow, ID<BR>> <BR>> The
only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do<BR>>
nothing.<BR>> - Edmund Burke<BR>> <BR>> ***** Original material
contained herein is Copyright 2006, Saundra Lund.<BR>> Do not copy, forward,
excerpt, or reproduce outside the Vision 2020 forum<BR>> without the express
written permission of the author.*****<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> -----Original
Message-----<BR>> From: g. crabtree [mailto:jampot@adelphia.net] <BR>>
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 6:36 AM<BR>> To: Tom Hansen; 'Tony';
'Saundra Lund'<BR>> Cc: </FONT><A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT
face=Arial size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] [Vision2020 liberals, courts, and Tony
(was<BR>> Pledge)<BR>> <BR>> From Wikipedia:<BR>> <BR>> John F.
Kerry, U.S. Senator from Massachusetts, speaking of his staff's<BR>> advice
to not pursue an investigation into American POW/MIA's from the<BR>> Vietnam
War, was quoted on 10 August 1992: "Everybody on my staff, everybody<BR>> I
knew thought I was crazy, and said, 'Don't do this...' ... They said
it's<BR>> a no-win tar baby."<BR>> <BR>> Molly Ivins, a nationally
syndicated liberal columnist, wrote in October<BR>> 2001: "It now looks, with
20-20 hindsight, as though he should have taken a<BR>> few more deep breaths
before smacking that tar-baby that is Afghanistan."<BR>> <BR>> The warm
fuzzy appreciation for diversity expressed by...?<BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
g<BR>> ----- Original Message -----<BR>> From: "Tom Hansen" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>thansen@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>><BR>> To:
"'Tony'" <</FONT><A href="mailto:tonytime@clearwire.net"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>tonytime@clearwire.net</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>>; "'Saundra
Lund'" <BR>> <</FONT><A href="mailto:sslund@adelphia.net"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>sslund@adelphia.net</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>><BR>> Cc:
<</FONT><A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>><BR>>
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 5:53 PM<BR>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020]
[Vision2020 liberals, courts, and Tony (was<BR>> Pledge)<BR>> <BR>>
<BR>>> ToeKnee stated:<BR>>><BR>>> "Saundra, you failed to
accurately assess my intent in using the term <BR>>> RAGHEAD last time I
explained it to you and you continue to show a <BR>>> lack of appreciation
for diversity by refusing to consider the <BR>>> different perspective of
some Americans post 911."<BR>>><BR>>> Ahh, yes. The warm,
fuzzy appreciation for diversity so eloquently <BR>>> expressed toward
ToeKnee's "ragheads" and No-Clue's "tar-babies".<BR>>><BR>>> Merry
Christmas to both of you.<BR>>><BR>>> Tom Hansen<BR>>> Moscow,
Idaho<BR>>><BR>>>
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force their <BR>>> lifestyle on people who do not wish to recognize that
lifestyle as <BR>>> normal. What ever happened to live and let
live?"<BR>>><BR>>> - Varnel W. (March 18,
2006)<BR>>><BR>>>
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