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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----
<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=suehovey@moscow.com href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">Sue Hovey</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=deco@moscow.com href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">Art
Deco</A> ; <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Vision 2020</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, November 07, 2006 5:35 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] When is it and when is it not my business?
(update)</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>And on this topic there is an article in the
<STRONG>Intelligence Report, </STRONG>Fall 2006, publication of The Southern
Poverty Law Center, which deals with the contradictions in Doug Wilson's writtn
edicts and his actual behavior when his own church members are involved.
See "Idaho Pastor a Hard-Liner, With an Exception or Two," page 7.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sue Hovey</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=deco@moscow.com href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">Art Deco</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Vision 2020</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, November 07, 2006 9:01
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] When is it and
when is it not my business? (update)</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=4>Ersatz Electrical Engineer Lemon-O
writes:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana><FONT color=#0000ff size=2>'I might add that if Pastor
Wilson stopped living in his home, rented the whole thing out to students and
moved in with a lady down the street you of all people would be the leader in
developing a whole campaign of indignation that would make the Spanish
Inquisition look like “Who Wants to be a Millionaire.”'</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=4><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT
size=3></FONT><BR> </DIV></FONT></FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=4></FONT><FONT face=Verdana size=4>Nick does not
pretend to be a Christian nor to espouse all of its ethical
proscriptions. Cultmaster Douglas Wilson does <FONT
color=#ff0000>pretend</FONT> to be such. One thing
that is quite revealing, however, in Wilson's case was his
behavior before and after demanding and receiving obedience to his demand
that two former employees of Logos School resign after adultery between them
was discovered. The circumstances forced a third member of the Logos
School staff to resign. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=4>I do not object <EM>per se</EM> to Wilson's
conquests; it is his hypocrisy and dishonesty in claiming he is a Professional
Christian Leader but his ignoring of some very fundamental Christian Ethical
proscriptions, and also ignoring such while demanding that others who
have displeased him follow them.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=4>Lemon-O further writes:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana color=#0000ff size=2> "Maybe it's time to shut
this site down. Maybe it's time to do what someone, <FONT
color=#000000>[sic]</FONT> I respect, <FONT color=#000000>[sic]</FONT> said,
..."Live and let live". Is this the standard we should
follow?"</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=4>Is it stupidity and/or just ignorance based
hubris, Lemon-O, that causes you to forget the following Christ Church Cult
dicta that is anything but "Live and let live" but would result in the death
of most of the world's human population?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=4>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 5pt 0in; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3>From <I
style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">Credenda/Agenda</I> (Christ Church Cult
Official Organ), by Gregory Dickison </FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 5pt 0in; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><A
href="http://www.credenda.org/old/issues/vol3/magi3-9.htm"><FONT
face="Times New Roman"
size=3>http://www.credenda.org/old/issues/vol3/magi3-9.htm</FONT></A></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 5pt 0in; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><o:p><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 5pt 0in; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3>"The<B> civil magistrate</B> is the minister of
God to execute wrath on the wrongdoer (<st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on">Rom.</st1:country-region></st1:place>
13:4). God has not left his civil minister without guidance on how to exercise
his office. The Scriptures set forth clear standards of judgment for many
offenses. Capital crimes, for example, include <B>premeditated killing
(murder), kidnapping, sorcery, bestiality, adultery, homosexuality, and
cursing one's parents</B>..."</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 5pt 0in; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3>"In contemporary American jurisprudence, none of
these offenses is punishable by death, with the occasional exception of
murder. The magistrates have dispensed with God's standards of justice. Some
Christians believe this is an improvement. They would be horrified to think
that the "harsh" penalties of the law should still be applied. Sometimes this
is the result of the <B>mistaken belief</B> that the Old Testament has no
further application after the advent of Christ. This is an exegetical problem.
Too often, it is the result of a sinful view of the criminal. <B>This sin is
called pity.</B>"</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 5pt 0in; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><FONT
face="Times New Roman"><I><FONT size=3>"If your brother, the son of your
mother, your son or your daughter, the wife of your bosom, or your friend who
is as your own soul, secretly entices you, saying, "Let us go and serve other
gods,". . . you shall not consent to him or listen to him, nor shall your eye
pity him, nor shall you spare him or conceal him; </FONT></I><B><I><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 36pt; COLOR: red; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">but you shall
surely kill him</SPAN></I></B><FONT size=3><I>..."</I> </FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 5pt 0in; mso-layout-grid-align: none"> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 5pt 0in; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><I><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3>"If two men fight together, and the wife of one
draws near to rescue her husband from the hand of the one attacking him, and
puts out the hand and seizes him by the genitals, then you shall cut off her
hand; your eye shall not pity her..." </FONT></I></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 5pt 0in; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><FONT
face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=3>God commands the judge to evaluate the
<I>crime</I> rather than the criminal. </FONT><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; COLOR: red">If the crime is one for which God requires
death, then death <I><U>must </U></I>be the punishment.</SPAN></B><FONT
size=3> Your eye <I>shall not pity</I>. <B>Neither is the repentance of the
accused relevant to the imposition of the sentence.</B> </FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 5pt 0in; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3>"Thus, the Bible teaches that pity is not an
option where God has decided the matter. The [civil] magistrate, God's
minister, is to faithfully execute justice according to God's standard, not
man's... This means that we must return to an obedience which confines pity
within the bounds which God has established for us."</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=4><BR>Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)<BR><A
href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">deco@moscow.com</A><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=4></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Verdana>----- Original Message ----- </FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana>From: <</FONT><A
href="mailto:heirdoug@netscape.net"><FONT
face=Verdana>heirdoug@netscape.net</FONT></A><FONT
face=Verdana>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana>To: <</FONT><A href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com"><FONT
face=Verdana>kjajmix1@msn.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Verdana>>; <</FONT><A
href="mailto:heirdoug@netscape.net"><FONT
face=Verdana>heirdoug@netscape.net</FONT></A><FONT face=Verdana>>;
<</FONT><A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT
face=Verdana>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Verdana>>;
<</FONT><A href="mailto:nickgier@adelphia.net"><FONT
face=Verdana>nickgier@adelphia.net</FONT></A><FONT
face=Verdana>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana>Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 7:45 AM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana>Subject: [Vision2020] When is it and when is it not my
business? (update)</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT face=Verdana>> <BR>>
Keely Yaps in:<BR>> “I have several suggestions for what you call
it<BR>> when a supposed Christian acts like a preening<BR>> sixth-grade
bully. You're being an ass, Farris.”<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> We have
now heard from the resident theologian here on Blind 2020. <BR>> Keely,
check out paragraph 3.<BR>> <BR>> I might add that if Pastor Wilson
stopped living in his home, rented <BR>> the whole thing out to students
and moved in with a lady down the <BR>> street you of all people would be
the leader in developing a whole <BR>> campaign of indignation that would
make the Spanish Inquisition look <BR>> like “Who Wants to be a
Millionaire.”<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Carl wrote:<BR>> "I'd personally
call it no one else's business."<BR>> <BR>> And, Sunil wrote:<BR>>
"You've been on this for a couple of weeks now,<BR>> and it's still not
your business, not my business, and<BR>> not the business of anyone on
V2020 except Nick,<BR>> and perhaps his friend, should she exist and
should<BR>> she be on this listserve."<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> And,
Saundra wrote:<BR>> "As usual, Sunil & Carl are spot on, but for the
rest<BR>> of us, let heirdog's post serve as a reminder that<BR>>
Jealousy, the Green-Eyed Monster, really is incredibly<BR>> ugly."<BR>>
<BR>> <BR>> I am very glad that you all are trying to define morality
here on Blind <BR>> 2020 but what standard shall we use to say what is and
isn't some one <BR>> else's business? We all want to participate in the
standard defining <BR>> exercise and we need to be all inclusive so that no
one is left out.<BR>> <BR>> For the longest time I have been posting
statements that some find <BR>> offensive and some find funny. It seems
from this vast difference of <BR>> opinion that there is no moral standard
by which we can judge one and <BR>> other's comments. Saundra calls me
jealous and ugly. How does one make <BR>> an absolute statement such as
thiat?<BR>> <BR>> I have read that some posters have "crossed the line"
when it comes to <BR>> saying things. By what unwritten law or code of
conduct do we judge <BR>> where the line is? And who is the policeman of
"line crossing"? Is it <BR>> J. Ford with her online dictionary? Is it
Wayne Fox and his <BR>> multicolored Bible Google? Or is it Keely Mix with
her cutting wit and <BR>> "I am innocent but you are guilty" way of putting
things.<BR>> <BR>> Tom-Tom says, by his posts and his blog, that it is
OK to re-publish <BR>> the addresses of those he thinks are breaking a
zoning code. Isn't what <BR>> they do in the privacy of their own home only
"their business"? What <BR>> gives him the "right" to do this? Has he
crossed the mystic "line"?<BR>> <BR>> What gives J. " :] " Ford the OK
to publish false or misleading <BR>> information about a local developer,
with the intent to do public harm <BR>> to someone from Christ Church? But
when someone makes an embarrassing <BR>> statement about an ex husband who
resides in the state pen, this has <BR>> crossed the mystic "line"!<BR>>
<BR>> Maybe it's time to shut this site down. Maybe it's time to do what
<BR>> someone, I respect, said, ..."Live and let live". Is this the
standard <BR>> we should follow?<BR>> <BR>> When Dale pointed out the
incongruity of Keely's request, in light of <BR>> all of the accusations by
Rose and Co. with respect to having people <BR>> live in their house, I
thought I would bring up Nick Gier's living <BR>> situation - again. Is he
paying any of the bills there? Wouldn't that <BR>> make him a "boarder" by
the code? He is not a family member.<BR>> <BR>> It seems, by the
comments back to me, that THIS is none of my business! <BR>> Why, he is an
important public school figure with a lot on his plate <BR>> (he told us
so)! Why one set of standards for some and not for others? <BR>> Where is
the out cry "For the Love of the Code?"<BR>> <BR>> Is all of this a
picture of "white men of privilege" being overcome and <BR>> subdued by
those who feel down trodden? Or is it as Mrs. Lund said, " <BR>> a
reminder that Jealousy, the Green-Eyed Monster, really is incredibly <BR>>
ugly..."?<BR>> <BR>> lemeno, Doug!<BR>> <BR></FONT>
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